Originally posted by inimalistScripture teaches that god is on the side of the, TRUTH, the just and righteous. 🙂
Hey, when you know 100% that God agrees with you.....sigh
I forget the quote, but I know it is something like "do not pray that God is on our side, but that we are on God's side". I've always liked the sentiment.
No religion, no indocternation, only truth and that is all, oh and doing what is right in not harming others.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Scripture teaches that god is on the side of the, TRUTH, the just and righteous. 🙂No religion, no indocternation, only truth and that is all, oh and doing what is right in not harming others.
Of course that didn't stop him for telling the Israelites to kill every living thing in Canan.
^ you still have to prove to me that raping and killing babies is sumhow, in your delusional little world, a morally wrong act. unless you can give evidence to the contrary, it is a morally neutral act. {everything is reletive my man, see i being the intelligent person i am, can SEE that above the likes of you and hence know that my logic is superior to yours and am going to rape and kill a few babies}
^GUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA, says the little boy who can see no morality outside his delusion. logic can be very well used to create a morality and distinction between what is right and wrong. i explained it sumwhere around here a few days ago i think.
and please, your gonna have to come up with a better explanation of "animals" partaking in "unsavoury acts" , just based on the fact that they are "animal". that is called circular logic.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^ you still have to prove to me that raping and killing babies is sumhow, in your delusional little world, a morally wrong act. unless you can give evidence to the contrary, it is a morally neutral act. {everything is reletive my man, see i being the intelligent person i am, can SEE that above the likes of you and hence know that my logic is superior to yours and am going to rape and kill a few babies}
You shouldn't though. Even without a divine boogey man stopping you a logical person in our world be able to see that raping and killing babies is not conducive to the success of the human race. If you are human (lets assume you are) then as a living creature one of your primary motivating drives is to ensure the survival of the species which it the opposite of what killing and raping do.
So there 😛
Originally posted by Storm
There is no specific condemnation of slavery to be found anywhere in the Bible. On the contrary, God is depicted of both approving of and regulating slavery, and the Bible has been cited as proof that slavery was part of the normal condition.
On May 29, 1537 Paul III promulgated the papal bull Sublimus Dei against the enslavement of the indigenous peoples of the Americas.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^GUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA, says the little boy who can see no morality outside his delusion. logic can be very well used to create a morality and distinction between what is right and wrong. i explained it sumwhere around here a few days ago i think.and please, your gonna have to come up with a better explanation of "animals" partaking in "unsavoury acts" , just based on the fact that they are "animal". that is called circular logic.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
You fail. Why is killing a baby wrong? Well, because we said so. Why is torturing someone wrong? Well, because we said so. So what if it hurts someone?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=472474&pagenumber=2
READ my argument you presumptuous ass!
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
You fail. Why is killing a baby wrong? Well, because we said so. Why is torturing someone wrong? Well, because we said so. So what if it hurts someone?
It is wrong because of the existence of a conscience, or a perception of right and wrong.
Why do consciences exist? Most people don't wanna know, because it is a really long explanation, dating back hundreds or thousands of millenniums to the earlier stages of evolution. I don't know the full explanation, because I'm not a geneticist (yet). If I did know, I wouldn't even want to explain it to you, so I'll just give you a simple basis for how it's possible. You can fill in the details alone. I'm a believer in God myself, but just because I'm a Christian (or a Mormon, for any perfectionists out there) doesn't mean I'm anti-science.
It is wrong because it is built into our evolutionary mindset. In some part of the brain, we evolved a perception of right and wrong. This indicates that the existence of a conscience is an evolutionary advantage...almost a necessity.
One reason for this is that for the last 6000 years at least, only people who followed their conscience had the privilege of living in families and societies...which have also proven to be almost necessary to the survival of man. The people who didn't...well, let's just say we don't have much of their DNA in us today.
Somewhere in history, somebody decided to link conscience with religion. Whether one existed before the other is irrelevant. They can evidently be independent of each other, as we are experiencing even as we chatter here on KMC.
There is now only one reason to resist our sense of right and wrong. When the conscience is overridden by other desires, hence what we refer to as crime. Sometimes, such as in the case of stealing food, overriding the conscience is a necessity (in terms of survival). Other times, such as in cases of illogical anger, our minds simply magnify our reasons for overriding the conscience...leading to torture, murder, etc. This is usually either a mistake in judgment on the part of the conscious mind or a lack of control on the part of the logical mind.
Our rather undeveloped minds would, if they were more developed, be able to stop illogical anger or unwise lust with pure logic, and then we would always follow our consciences until our sense of right and wrong until we meet times of extreme hunger, or one of the more basic desires (read about Maslow's Hierarchy for a deeper explanation).
I can keep going if you want me to.
Originally posted by Quark_666
But how could you possibly know what "negative" concepts are? The scenario we are considering challenges the basic concept of morality, so even if you decided to do the right thing, you would have a really tough time knowing what the right thing is.
originally posted by leonheartmm
to me negetivity is a concept which exists in this world in the minds of humans/many other animals, vaguely. it is a product OF sentience. it relies on worldy logic and reasoning. to me , logically, all sentiences of a sepecies are equal. they rely on the concept of existance to be defined. as such, things which threaten this existance are negetive. hence existance is preferrable over non existance. also, all sentiences are equal, and hence it is wrong to end sum1's existance to favour yours. these sentiences have, by their nature, various needs {eg. sex, desire to have their physical and mental functions taken care of, to care and love for others, to have companions, etc etc etc} without which they suffer {which is defined by their nature to not be preferrable} and with which they are happy{which is defined by the nature of these sentiences to be preferrable}. hence to pursue these things is preferrable for all sentiences, as long as thye follow the initial rule and not step on the rights of other sentiences to attain these things and be happy. ofcourse variation among less major things will always exist on what makes who happy, i think that still, this is a great way to logically come up with a morality.so really, there is no need for an illogical morality defined by sum imaginary or real mystical force or god. this is how i define negetive concepts.
since i know u werent gonna check it. so i decided to quote it. is that reason enough for you?