Originally posted by llagrokThor is stronger (FAR) than Flash. Darkseid's been destroyed by Superman.
[B]Thanos has been physically hurt by Thor....
No, you're right, only Marvel characters that are under skyfather level (you said he can beat Thor, Surfer, Strange and Hulk...who in Marvel do you think can win)
I never stated that Flash could beat anyone under Skyfather level either
that's is YOU trying to put words in my mouth and your assumption.Not really, that's me using fill in the blank logic based on you assuming Flash can even beat Thanos.
Got any proof that Surfer can take a single Imp? let alone several,Not that it would matter if I did, but Surfer has taken powerful beatings from Hulk and still come off it, at one time Hulk said he hit him with his best Shot and Surfer said he didn't even feel it. Of course, I forgot how hated Hulk is here so that is a bad example.
or do you have any proof that he's faster?Can Flash run so fast he goes back in time? Can he tranverse the universe in seconds? Surfer can.
Ah, so we're taking statements over actual feats now, eh? Ok, as long as I get to do it too.
In short, you have absolutley nothing to counter this so you go the 'Meh, I won't accept it".
Cool.
If you'd know anything about Wally, you'd know it's not just a statement.
But the funny thing is, you don't even know much about the character you're debating for ..
What special circumstances
... since you don't even have a clue about the fights he's been into and you brought up, and most likely heard it on the forum.
And juding from your debating skills you've displayed up until now ..
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Thor is stronger (FAR) than Flash. Darkseid's been destroyed by Superman.
He's far, far stronger than the Flash. But Flash can simulate striking power far greater than Thor can. Do you really think that brute strength makes a difference when Wally can go several times faster than light, easily?
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
No, you're right, only Marvel characters that are under skyfather level (you said he can beat Thor, Surfer, Strange and Hulk...who in Marvel do you think can win)Not really, that's me using fill in the blank logic based on you assuming Flash can even beat Thanos..
Thanos has been physically hit and put to the ground by Thor, and if I'm no mistaken even the Thing was able to physically affect him the first time Thanos was beaten. Flash stated that he could fire off MANY IMPs when fighting Zum, but figured that only ONE would suffice, which it did. One IMP is sufficient to knock out a character who's durability is on par with Superman. But you don't thin that he could kill Strange, who seems to have human durability now, or Huc/Surfer/Thor? Really now...
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Not that it would matter if I did, but Surfer has taken powerful beatings from Hulk and still come off it, at one time Hulk said he hit him with his best Shot and Surfer said he didn't even feel it. Of course, I forgot how hated Hulk is here so that is a bad example. Can Flash run so fast he goes back in time? Can he tranverse the universe in seconds? Surfer can.
Sure, Flash even outraced death.
Originally posted by llagrokThor has flown 3x the speed of light. And I know about flashes speedforce powers (as stupid as they are). Yet, brute strength isn't nearly all Thor has. You should know this based off your signature. I'm not going to name all of his powers, but what's to stop Thor from absorbing Flash's energy with Mjolnir? Or whats to stop him from creating an invincible shield around himself or bfr flash via teleportation, or drain his life out of him? There are tons of things Thor can do to beat flash.
He's far, far stronger than the Flash. But Flash can simulate striking power far greater than Thor can. Do you really think that brute strength makes a difference when Wally can go several times faster than light, easily?
Thor with the power gem. And by the way, Thor with the power gem is >> Superman level strength.
Thanos has been physically hit and put to the ground by Thor
and if I'm no mistaken even the Thing was able to physically affect him the first time Thanos was beaten.physically effect? No, not really. And pre-powerup Thanos isn't relevant anyway, especially if you're using current Strange.
Flash stated that he could fire off MANY IMPs when fighting Zum, but figured that only ONE would sufficeStating doesn't equal, you've used that on people as well.
One IMP is sufficient to knock out a character who's durability is on par with Superman. But you don't thin that he could kill Strange, who seems to have human durability nowI was arguing for Classic Strange, who no, the imp wouldn't effect. However, I might give you the imp on current strange as he's been amazingly nerfed in power.
or Huc/Surfer/Thor? Really now...The imp might have worked on savage hulk, but not World War Hulk (i.e. the same Hulk that bypassed Cyttorak's enchantment on Juggernaut and lived through Blackbolt's "scream". Against Current THOR?! No freaking way. Classic Thor may or may not be able to take an Imp, I'd say he could. Again, he's taken worse beatings and came through. Surfer I have no doubt he could take it, as he lived through the Crunch. That durability alone (in where 2 Galactus level beings died and he lived) easily puts him out of Flash's league.
Sure, Flash even outraced death. [/QUOTE]
Originally posted by llagrokThor has flown 3x the speed of light. And I know about flashes speedforce powers (as stupid as they are). Yet, brute strength isn't nearly all Thor has. You should know this based off your signature. I'm not going to name all of his powers, but what's to stop Thor from absorbing Flash's energy with Mjolnir? Or whats to stop him from creating an invincible shield around himself or bfr flash via teleportation, or drain his life out of him? There are tons of things Thor can do to beat flash.
He's far, far stronger than the Flash. But Flash can simulate striking power far greater than Thor can. Do you really think that brute strength makes a difference when Wally can go several times faster than light, easily?
Thor with the power gem. And by the way, Thor with the power gem is >> Superman level strength.
Thanos has been physically hit and put to the ground by Thor
and if I'm no mistaken even the Thing was able to physically affect him the first time Thanos was beaten.physically effect? No, not really. And pre-powerup Thanos isn't relevant anyway, especially if you're using current Strange.
Flash stated that he could fire off MANY IMPs when fighting Zum, but figured that only ONE would sufficeStating doesn't equal, you've used that on people as well.
One IMP is sufficient to knock out a character who's durability is on par with Superman. But you don't thin that he could kill Strange, who seems to have human durability nowI was arguing for Classic Strange, who no, the imp wouldn't effect. However, I might give you the imp on current strange as he's been amazingly nerfed in power.
or Huc/Surfer/Thor? Really now...The imp might have worked on savage hulk, but not World War Hulk (i.e. the same Hulk that bypassed Cyttorak's enchantment on Juggernaut and lived through Blackbolt's "scream". Against Current THOR?! No freaking way. Classic Thor may or may not be able to take an Imp, I'd say he could. Again, he's taken worse beatings and came through. Surfer I have no doubt he could take it, as he lived through the Crunch. That durability alone (in where 2 Galactus level beings died and he lived) easily puts him out of Flash's league.
He hasn't accomplished actual measurable speed feats such as the one I listed then. Surfer is faster. When you bend reality with your speed and travel back in time, you are faster.
Sure, Flash even outraced death.
Originally posted by CPT Space BombWow. You tend to know a whole lot about Thor and thats one of his favorite characters. Nice job. Well supported and you showed a Thor fan not to underestimate him and be blinded by the Flash who is nowhere near as powerful as people make him out to be on here.
Thor has flown 3x the speed of light. And I know about flashes speedforce powers (as stupid as they are). Yet, brute strength isn't nearly all Thor has. You should know this based off your signature. I'm not going to name all of his powers, but what's to stop Thor from absorbing Flash's energy with Mjolnir? Or whats to stop him from creating an invincible shield around himself or bfr flash via teleportation, or drain his life out of him? There are tons of things Thor can do to beat flash.Thor with the power gem. And by the way, Thor with the power gem is >> Superman level strength. physically effect? No, not really. And pre-powerup Thanos isn't relevant anyway, especially if you're using current Strange.Stating doesn't equal, you've used that on people as well. I was arguing for Classic Strange, who no, the imp wouldn't effect. However, I might give you the imp on current strange as he's been amazingly nerfed in power. The imp might have worked on savage hulk, but not World War Hulk (i.e. the same Hulk that bypassed Cyttorak's enchantment on Juggernaut and lived through Blackbolt's "scream". Against Current THOR?! No freaking way. Classic Thor may or may not be able to take an Imp, I'd say he could. Again, he's taken worse beatings and came through. Surfer I have no doubt he could take it, as he lived through the Crunch. That durability alone (in where 2 Galactus level beings died and he lived) easily puts him out of Flash's league.
He hasn't accomplished actual measurable speed feats such as the one I listed then. Surfer is faster. When you bend reality with your speed and travel back in time, you are faster.
Originally posted by quanchi112Thanks. I know alot more about Thor than that. I have tons of Thor comics. Flash in my opinion, shouldn't be able to beat guys On Superman level. But hey, I never would have imagined how popular Flash is here. 🙄
Wow. You tend to know a whole lot about Thor and thats one of his favorite characters. Nice job. Well supported and you showed a Thor fan not to underestimate him and be blinded by the Flash who is nowhere near as powerful as people make him out to be on here.
Originally posted by CPT Space BombYes. You said you were from cbr right?
Thanks. I know alot more about Thor than that. I have tons of Thor comics. Flash in my opinion, shouldn't be able to beat guys On Superman level. But hey, I never would have imagined how popular Flash is here. 🙄
In your opinion who wins out of a classic Thor vs a regular Superman thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112Depends on how the fight goes down. Thor has all the tools to win, but then again so does Superman.
Yes. You said you were from cbr right?In your opinion who wins out of a classic Thor vs a regular Superman thread.
If Superman uses his speed effectively, he should win. However, If Thor even uses a minuscule amount of his magical powers (something he didn't do in JLA Avengers) then he'll win. If it's a straight physical brawl like JLA/Avengers Supes wins because he's slightly stronger and more durable.
Originally posted by CPT Space BombYes I think it would end up being a brawl with supes barely taking it. I think this fight would and should be epic if done correctly. But then again its all up to the writers and the boys at dcu would never let him lose to a marvel hero.
Depends on how the fight goes down. Thor has all the tools to win, but then again so does Superman.If Superman uses his speed effectively, he should win. However, If Thor even uses a minuscule amount of his magical powers (something he didn't do in JLA Avengers) then he'll win. If it's a straight physical brawl like JLA/Avengers Supes wins because he's slightly stronger and more durable.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Thor has flown 3x the speed of light. And I know about flashes speedforce powers (as stupid as they are). Yet, brute strength isn't nearly all Thor has. You should know this based off your signature. I'm not going to name all of his powers, but what's to stop Thor from absorbing Flash's energy with Mjolnir? Or whats to stop him from creating an invincible shield around himself or bfr flash via teleportation, or drain his life out of him? There are tons of things Thor can do to beat flash.
Who do you think posted those scans in the respect thread?
Flash can kill Thor before he even reacts to any of this. Thor needs time to absorb, time to go past light speed, time to fire off god blast, time to shield himself, time to BFR, time to drain his SOUL which is all Thor has done. He has never drained someone's life force.
3x light speed is no problem for the Flash.
Either way, there's nothing Thor can do that let's him replicate Flash' striking power.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Thanos isn't relevant anyway, especially if you're using current Strange.Stating doesn't equal, you've used that on people as well. I was arguing for Classic Strange, who no, the imp wouldn't effect.
Read the rules.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
(i.e. the same Hulk that bypassed Cyttorak's enchantment on Juggernaut and lived through Blackbolt's "scream".
He didn't BYPASS Cyttorak's enchantment, he pushed Juggernaut. Blackbolt's scream goes up and down, that has been retconned into Skrull Bolt anyways so I don't care.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Surfer I have no doubt he could take it, as he lived through the Crunch. That durability alone (in where 2 Galactus level beings died and he lived) easily puts him out of Flash's league.
Galactus mentioned that they were the energies that "birthed them" and it was an obvious plot item. Only Eradica stated that they were equal to Galactus, the writer stated later on that they were only capable of taking on Galactus thanks to tech from Thanos.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Thor with the power gem. And by the way, Thor with the power gem is >> Superman level strength.
Actually, Superman has far better strength and durability feats than Thor. You don't want to get into that, I'll have to call Avlon, he'll destroy you, etc.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
He hasn't accomplished actual measurable speed feats such as the one I listed then. Surfer is faster. When you bend reality with your speed and travel back in time, you are faster.
... Do you know ANYTHING about the Flash at all? Have you even visited his respect thread? Barry Allen did many times light speed back in the 60s and he's not even comparable to Wally.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t469707.html
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