Originally posted by King_Mungi
The class I took was actually just last year 😬Where was this dispelled?
As to exactly where, I cannot be certain - I'm merely parroting the words of a friend I have at my Uni.
But the facts of the matter remain that it was Robert Ross, a British Officer, leading British Troops down to Washington. It was Ross who gave the order to raze the government buildings. It was the British who set fire to Washington.
Originally posted by Soljer
As to exactly where, I cannot be certain - I'm merely parroting the words of a friend I have at my Uni.But the facts of the matter remain that it was Robert Ross, a British Officer, leading British Troops down to Washington. It was Ross who gave the order to raze the government buildings. It was the British who set fire to Washington.
Which is funny as I have taken University and College classes and they say it was Canada [Well Canadian occupants as the country wasn't Canada yet. Canada didn't unify till 1864 I believe]. So I'm a tad suspect, as what roughrider is word for word from the text.
He also marched through Halifax and picked up Canadian soliders [well more recruits..not Canada yet, and were still considered British] and was also apparently orchestrated with the assistance of General Sir George Prevost [British officer who became the governor of Nova Scotia]. Even majority of the British Royal Marines who attacked the White House were stationed in Canada itself *shrugs*
*returns your shrug* It's not my field, but (and absolutely no offense meant), I think I'm going to trust the word of a published PhD candidate over a random poster on a comic book message board.
Not that I don't think you're intelligent, just that I can't be sure of your biases or level of expertise on the subject, though I can be absolutely certain of his.
Originally posted by Soljer
*returns your shrug* It's not my field, but (and absolutely no offense meant), I think I'm going to trust the word of a published PhD candidate over a random poster on a comic book message board.Not that I don't think you're intelligent, just that I can't be sure of your biases or level of expertise on the subject, though I can be absolutely certain of his.
I'm getting the information from texts written by Ph.D.s so *shrugs*
Well like I said Canada wasn't a country yet and many of the settlers still fought under the British Flag. That even continued right through World War I as majority of the Canadian soliders were merged with British platoons until later. For example the Battle of Somme is one of Canadian's key WWI battles and often times they merely refered to as British soliders. Another example the Battle of Ypres where Canadians are the first to experience chlorine gas in a war, but they stayed and fought and held the line [while the French fled]. Yet often times are refered to as part of the British Expeditionary Force. Hell, Canada didn't get their Canadian flag [current] untill 1965. Canada used the union jack as the national flag from 1801-1865 [roughly]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'm getting the information from texts written by Ph.D.s so *shrugs*
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well like I said Canada wasn't a country yet and many of the settlers still fought under the British Flag. That even continued right through World War I as majority of the Canadian soliders were merged with British platoons until later. For example the Battle of Somme is one of Canadian's key WWI battles and often times they merely refered to as British soliders. Another example the Battle of Ypres where Canadians are the first to experience chlorine gas in a war, but they stayed and fought and held the line [while the French fled]. Yet often times are refered to as part of the British Expeditionary Force. Hell, Canada didn't get their Canadian flag [current] untill 1965. Canada used the union jack as the national flag from 1801-1865 [roughly]
None of which has anything to do with the war of 1812.
Originally posted by Soljer
Yeah, past tense. 🙂.So, what happened in World War I is pertinent to the war that took place a hundred years prior?
and when was your readings published then?
In the context I was addressing...yes. As there was no Canada at this time, it basically was one big British colony and considered as such even till WWI. So basically the British that attacked the white house had Canadians, but were still called British soliders just like in WW1 even though they were a seperate entity. Then those same british soliders remained in Canada until the nations confederation and thus eventually becoming a unified Canada. There were "Canadians" and British soliders that attacked the white house, but they fought under the Union Jack which even at this time Canada still used.
Lots of hairsplitting going on here, what with who was Canadian & who was British...
The point is - America was angered by the British Navy attacking & taking their merchant ships headed to France (whom England was currently at war with) and decided to retaliate by wiping out for good the English threat to the North, Canada. People like Jefferson were convinced America couldn't be secure with a threat like that right next door ( sound to anyone like Cuba, a century plus later? No wonder we're friendly with Castro & company. 😄 )
The War Of 1812 was one of four attempts America made to take over the North Country - and each time they came home empty handed. OUCH! 😛
But don't try telling that to some American historians & politicians. Because it seems America doesn't lose wars. The War Of 1812 & Vietnam were ties, apparently. 🙄
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and when was your readings published then?In the context I was addressing...yes. As there was no Canada at this time, it basically was one big British colony and considered as such even till WWI. So basically the British that attacked the white house had Canadians, but were still called British soliders just like in WW1 even though they were a seperate entity. Then those same british soliders remained in Canada until the nations confederation and thus eventually becoming a unified Canada. There were "Canadians" and British soliders that attacked the white house, but they fought under the Union Jack which even at this time Canada still used.
I told you, my information was coming from a PhD candidate I have spoken with at length about British History.
You can make whichever claims you please, but it doesn't change the fact that it was British soldiers led by a British commander that sacked Washington. 😬. Anyways, I'm done with this, the misconception is a notion so strongly held to by some, I doubt it'll ever be entirely corrected. Some just can't seem to bear to be wrong, or to lose some insignificant 'trump card' concerning two-hundred-year-old history.
Originally posted by Soljer
I told you, my information was coming from a PhD candidate I have spoken with at length about British History.You can make whichever claims you please, but it doesn't change the fact that it was British soldiers led by a British commander that sacked Washington. 😬. Anyways, I'm done with this, the misconception is a notion so strongly held to by some, I doubt it'll ever be entirely corrected. Some just can't seem to bear to be wrong, or to lose some insignificant 'trump card' concerning two-hundred-year-old history.
Candidate? As currently studying for his Ph.D. 😖hifty: Meh! not like it matters, as all I asked was when?
Not claims their facts 😬 and even you yourself don't fully know as your relying on someone else *shrugs*. Haha what? Why are you getting so aggitated? It's called a debate, and we provide evidence to support our points which both of us have done. Do I care really in the long run? Not really. Hell, in many other threads I'm the guy who usually gets the ball rolling on jokes about Canada. Besides in the end Canada has actually far greater military achievements then this [not directed at the US of course]. Thought we were having an intelligent debate, which is rare on these boards 😬
Originally posted by roughrider
Lots of hairsplitting going on here, what with who was Canadian & who was British...
The point is - America was angered by the British Navy attacking & taking their merchant ships headed to France (whom England was currently at war with) and decided to retaliate by wiping out for good the English threat to the North, Canada. People like Jefferson were convinced America couldn't be secure with a threat like that right next door ( sound to anyone like Cuba, a century plus later? No wonder we're friendly with Castro & company. 😄 )
The War Of 1812 was one of four attempts America made to take over the North Country - and each time they came home empty handed. OUCH! 😛
Spot on, but I think one of Canada's greatest moments in battle was Vimmy Ridge. I love the story behind that.
Originally posted by King_MungiSpot on, but I think one of Canada's greatest moments in battle was Vimmy Ridge. I love the story behind that.
Vimy Ridge and Passchendaele were our top two achievements in the First World War, sure. Paul Gross will have a big-budget movie about Passchendaele out next fall. In the Second World War, it was the Battle Of The Scheldt, clearing the Germans out of lower Holland to open up the port of Antwerp.
In 1812, we did kick ass at Queenston Heights along the Niagara River. 😉
Originally posted by roughrider
Vimy Ridge and Passchendaele were our top two achievements in the First World War, sure. Paul Gross will have a big-budget movie about Passchendaele out next fall. In the Second World War, it was the Battle Of The Scheldt, clearing the Germans out of lower Holland to open up the port of Antwerp.In 1812, we did kick ass at Queenston Heights along the Niagara River. 😉
Really? I had no idea they were making a Passchendaele movie, but Paul Gross? Gonna have flashbacks of the movie "Men with Brooms". Come on..a curling movie? Who is going to be Arthur Currie? Love how Aquaman's human identity was inspired by him.
Even today Canada actually dominates war games to the point where they won't let them take part anymore. However, Canada definetly needs an upgrade in technology as were using out-dated equipment.
Originally posted by King_MungiEven today Canada actually dominates war games to the point where they won't let them take part anymore. However, Canada definetly needs an upgrade in technology as were using out-dated equipment.
Yes. There was a sad joke about Canadian Military Tech showing up on TV's Antiques Roadshow... 🙁
Those outdated subs we bought from England years ago were a waste, as well as those sea helicopters. But we are respected for our peacekeeping efforts, and we're doing our part in Afghanistan & other places.
Originally posted by roughrider
Yes. There was a sad joke about Canadian Military Tech showing up on TV's Antiques Roadshow... 🙁Those outdated subs we bought from England years ago were a waste, as well as those sea helicopters. But we are respected for our peacekeeping efforts, and we're doing our part in Afghanistan & other places.
....ouch 🙁
Those subs and helicopters were so outdated and it cost so much to repair them it would have been cheaper in the long run to buy new ones. Oh definetly, and it seems the government is actually trying to help fix our military to the power it once was.