[QUOTE=9969825]Originally posted by Regret
ROFL, punks of the world unite under the flag of Buddhism...
I would say technically in Buddhist terminologies, to unite means in harmony and co-existence with all other beings...
I do not quite understand your question. I believe you interpret the Qur'an in error. I do not believe the message of the Qur'an for interaction with non Muslims is violence. I believe the message is attempts at peaceful coexistence. I believe some fanatical Muslims and some non-Muslims such as yourself interpret the Qur'an as violent. I know many Muslims, and they are a wonderful, peaceful, moral people, unlike many western people.
Muslims who are not acquainted in Quran and what Muhammad teaches are indeed wonderful, peaceful and moral people because by nature human beings are good but if someone read the quran and follow what muhammad teaches that is different thing. I have a close friend who is converted to Islam and was indoctrinated with Islamic ideologies discriminating people dividing the world as between muslim and non-muslims. He is filled with so much discrimination with his fellow constituents who are non-muslims since my country is a dominant Christian religion.
I always taught him to love his fellow beings irrespective of their beliefs. Our world is not divided between muslims and non-musllims, christians and non-christians or Buddhists and non-buddhists. We are all citizen of humanity in this world. Hence, he practise Buddhist faith together with me.
Dalai Lama is not only a religious leader but the head of political state in Tibet
Buddhism is essentially nonauthoritarian
Nothing? Why nothing?just how I feel about religion, all of them
but why is nothing about Islam wonderful? Do you know enough about it to say something like that, or is everything you know about Islam based on what you see on the news?I know enough about it, and it aint what I seen on the news its experienced
Originally posted by mahasattva
[QUOTE=9969825]Originally posted by Regret
ROFL, punks of the world unite under the flag of Buddhism...
I would say technically in Buddhist terminologies, to unite means in harmony and co-existence with all other beings...
Originally posted by Regret
I do not quite understand your question. I believe you interpret the Qur'an in error. I do not believe the message of the Qur'an for interaction with non Muslims is violence. I believe the message is attempts at peaceful coexistence. I believe some fanatical Muslims and some non-Muslims such as yourself interpret the Qur'an as violent. I know many Muslims, and they are a wonderful, peaceful, moral people, unlike many western people.
Muslims who are not acquainted in Quran and what Muhammad teaches are indeed wonderful, peaceful and moral people because by nature human beings are good but if someone read the quran and follow what muhammad teaches that is different thing. I have a close friend who is converted to Islam and was indoctrinated with Islamic ideologies discriminating people dividing the world as between muslim and non-muslims. He is filled with so much discrimination with his fellow constituents who are non-muslims since my country is a dominant Christian religion.
I always taught him to love his fellow beings irrespective of their beliefs. Our world is not divided between muslims and non-musllims, christians and non-christians or Buddhists and non-buddhists. We are all citizen of humanity in this world. Hence, he practise Buddhist faith together with me. [/QUOTE]
Buddhists that are non-anarchist in nature who are not acquainted in Tripitaka, Mahayana Sutras and what Buddha teaches are indeed non-anarchist in nature because by nature human beings are good but if someone read the Tripitaka and Mahayana Sutras and follow what Buddha teaches that is different thing. (Sarcasm, not my belief)
Anarchy does not necessitate violence or aggression. You obviously have not spent time with punks. Yes, they often are aggressive and violent, but such is not required.
You are too judgemental of others, and too narrow minded in your assessment of Muhammad and his teachings. Maybe someday you will come to a better understanding of the text. Read the Qur'an with a more open mind, forgetting your bias and assume the best. Ignore interpretations that are anything but good in your mind, you will see that it is a good book and not some bloodthirsty text.
Originally posted by anaconda
it doesnt fit todays society, its ancient , its rules doesnt comply to a modern world
What if its the society thats gone wrong and the religion is still valid and correct...I mean from that point of logic having sex with a 12 year old is actually perfectly OK...if your in the right century...so you admit that while its not OK now, it may be in say 10 years time...
^ if a twelve year old is mature enough and has appropriate social roles and emotional stability, then it often is ok. but youll see that its gonna be very hard to find such conditions in entirety in any time in history. and ofcourse on thing time cant change so easily is the human anatomy, and hence the fact that kids arent physically READY to have sex then and it hurt etc. so there u go, a good reason why its always wrong.
What if its the society thats gone wrong and the religion is still valid and correct...I mean from that point of logic having sex with a 12 year old is actually perfectly OK...if your in the right century...so you admit that while its not OK now, it may be in say 10 years time...moral standards have evolved in time, religion hasn't.
Originally posted by Regret
[B]I would say technically in Buddhist terminologies, to unite means in harmony and co-existence with all other beings...Muslims who are not acquainted in Quran and what Muhammad teaches are indeed wonderful, peaceful and moral people because by nature human beings are good but if someone read the quran and follow what muhammad teaches that is different thing. I have a close friend who is converted to Islam and was indoctrinated with Islamic ideologies discriminating people dividing the world as between muslim and non-muslims. He is filled with so much discrimination with his fellow constituents who are non-muslims since my country is a dominant Christian religion.
I always taught him to love his fellow beings irrespective of their beliefs. Our world is not divided between muslims and non-musllims, christians and non-christians or Buddhists and non-buddhists. We are all citizen of humanity in this world. Hence, he practise Buddhist faith together with me.
Buddhists that are non-anarchist in nature who are not acquainted in Tripitaka, Mahayana Sutras and what Buddha teaches are indeed non-anarchist in nature because by nature human beings are good but if someone read the Tripitaka and Mahayana Sutras and follow what Buddha teaches that is different thing. (Sarcasm, not my belief)
Anarchy does not necessitate violence or aggression. You obviously have not spent time with punks. Yes, they often are aggressive and violent, but such is not required.
You are too judgemental of others, and too narrow minded in your assessment of Muhammad and his teachings. Maybe someday you will come to a better understanding of the text. Read the Qur'an with a more open mind, forgetting your bias and assume the best. Ignore interpretations that are anything but good in your mind, you will see that it is a good book and not some bloodthirsty text. [/B][/QUOTE]
Buddhism do not divide the world as Buddhist or non-buddhist. We are all human beings who seeks happiness in life. Non-dogmatic teachings is foreign to Buddhism. Buddhism do not hold that it is the only true religion. I am critical to dogmatic ideologies who claimed they are the only Way or pefect truth.
Don't worry, my impressions on Islam might be changed. I have borrowed and get the book of quran in my hand and started to scrutinize the book's history and life of muhammad. And to find the answers why my friend is filled with so much hatred or discrimination or why a lot of my fellow muslim filipinos in my land wanted to separate between muslim and non-muslims community in the Philippines. I know most of my fellow ordinary muslim filipinos are nice and peaceful but are illterate while most of the educated and separatist muslims who learned much of the Quran, especially who holds in power are the one taking advantage to separate Mindanao and make war with the government. I wanted to stop the narrow-mindedness of Islam(not the muslim per se).
Originally posted by Regret
ROFL, punks of the world unite under the flag of Buddhism...Buddhism basically teaches the punk version of religion from your description here. Skepticism is just as brainwashing as solidarity.
How is it skeptic? All buddha is saying is give deep thought to what people say. So you think he should have said just believe what everybody tells you? Wow totally took Buddhas teaching out of context.
Originally posted by Regret
I do not quite understand your question. I believe you interpret the Qur'an in error. I do not believe the message of the Qur'an for interaction with non Muslims is violence. I believe the message is attempts at peaceful coexistence. I believe some fanatical Muslims and some non-Muslims such as yourself interpret the Qur'an as violent. I know many Muslims, and they are a wonderful, peaceful, moral people, unlike many western people.
Right so you know the Mohammeds life story?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Of course he isn't a saint, because that's a Catholic concept. .
I think you have the concept of the saint in hidnuism as well.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And it's argued and commonly believed that Muslims follow Moses more than they do Mohammed..
........since when? Dont you mean Moses more than Jesus?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
well technically a muslim wud say that it isnt muhammad's relegion but god's relegion for everybody.
Whose God? Christianity(Jesus understanding of God as Abba(Aramaic word for daddy) and Islam(Muhammads' Allah) are different. Within Christianity there are different conceptions of God while Muhammad has different pereception of God who is Allah which is full hatred who brings violence and Terror. This is not the God that Jesus spoke of which is Love.
Originally posted by mahasattva
Whose God? Christianity(Jesus understanding of God as Abba(Aramaic word for daddy) and Islam(Muhammads' Allah) are different. Within Christianity there are different conceptions of God while Muhammad has different pereception of God who is Allah which is full hatred who brings violence and Terror. This is not the God that Jesus spoke of which is Love.
there isnt a single unambiguous statement in the entire bible where jesus HIMSELF states that he is the biological son of god. nor of trinity.
we do not know much about what jesus beleived to be god, most of it is paul. and the god of both the old and new testament is full of hatred/egotistical/jealous/subject to petty emotion. do not be deluded into beleiving that the christian god is any more loving than the muslim god. there is very little distinction between them as far as true generosity and benevolance goes. the christian god is every bit as hateful and a bringer of violence and terror as the muslim god. but both can be loving as well.
anyway, are you a christian?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
there isnt a single unambiguous statement in the entire bible where jesus HIMSELF states that he is the biological son of god. nor of trinity.
we do not know much about what jesus beleived to be god, most of it is paul. and the god of both the old and new testament is full of hatred/egotistical/jealous/subject to petty emotion. do not be deluded into beleiving that the christian god is any more loving than the muslim god. there is very little distinction between them as far as true generosity and benevolance goes. the christian god is every bit as hateful and a bringer of violence and terror as the muslim god. but both can be loving as well.anyway, are you a christian?
I think the vengeful God oif the Bible is mainly in the Old Testament.
Originally posted by AlfheimHow is it skeptic? All buddha is saying is give deep thought to what people say. So you think he should have said just believe what everybody tells you? Wow totally took Buddhas teaching out of context.[/QUOTE] Key part of my response is the phrase "from your description here" in reference to his post. My point was to turn the exact same thought process on Buddhism that he used on Islam. Using only the impression he gives, this would be my understanding of Buddhism.
[QUOTE=9969825]Originally posted by Regret
ROFL, punks of the world unite under the flag of Buddhism...Buddhism basically teaches the punk version of religion from your description here. Skepticism is just as brainwashing as solidarity.
Originally posted by AlfheimI do.
Right so you know the Mohammeds life story?[/B]
There were violent aspects to Mohammed's life story. There is violence in most history. I doubt that one could not find some such tied to Buddhism at some point in history.
We do not have an unbiased account of exactly what happened when it comes to Islam and the violence surrounding its inception. We do not know all the factors surrounding the decisions leading to these events. All we have is what is left of the story told by various Muslims who often appear to have a violent tendency.
Originally posted by Regret
Key part of my response is the phrase "from your description here" in reference to his post. My point was to turn the exact same thought process on Buddhism that he used on Islam. Using only the impression he gives, this would be my understanding of Buddhism. I do.
Ok......
Originally posted by Regret
There were violent aspects to Mohammed's life story. There is violence in most history. I doubt that one could not find some such tied to Buddhism at some point in history.
Right but that depends on the context of the violence.
Originally posted by Regret
We do not have an unbiased account of exactly what happened when it comes to Islam and the violence surrounding its inception. We do not know all the factors surrounding the decisions leading to these events. All we have is what is left of the story told by various Muslims who often appear to have a violent tendency.
These muslims were followers of Mohammed and some knew him personally. If they all have violent tendencies its not a stretch that they got it from Mohammed.