Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Heartless Angel is also gameplay.Not kill that squid, as the invinsible Cthulhu cousin can be taken out only via plot devise.
yeh and gameplay is worthless, Heartless angel takes you down to near death in HP which is why in KMC is a pretty crap move that cannot be used in debates because its unkown what it really does
Originally posted by Terryc250
Probably the same thing it does in gameplay which is bring the person to the edge of death, alot of ppl use "slow/stop time" gameplay in debates, why cant Sephiroth use heartless angel?No age/form of Dante is even Chaos Vincents, let alone Sephiroth himself
slow/stop time gameplay are documented as an effect in cnaon, wheras heartless angel ive never seen anyone show me it documented on what it actually does beyond a gameplay move, its such a loose move that it can only excist in FF unvierse imo
i mean whta if he used it on HOTU Thanos or LT? does it miraculously make the LT near death? sillyness indeed, its not documented, its only effects are gameplay, so therefore its pointless to try and use in debates
but i agree, Dante is overhyped, hes a high street leveler at best
And then you're going to say that Wolverine is going to beat Dante with one claw while masturbating in front of Kain portrait? LOL at Dante being Spiderman level character.
Now, Devil Trigger limitations are gameplay in the sence you mean+CIS (turning human when being knocked down by Mundus proves only that he needs conscious effort to stay in demon form and that human one is his default one, not any strict time limitations apart from the need to stay conscious).
okie thats prob a little harsh, middle Meta imo, altho just because Dante could beat spiderman doesnt mean he is so much better than him, thinking about it he is overall but Spiderman can throw tanks and such can he not? has his own special abilities and in a way can almost fly with all his webslinging
nothing states or could possibly show DT is infnite, they fight and are constantly in human form throughout most events through the games, theres only two gameplay instances that i can think of where you have infnite DT and prob one, which is one of the gameplay ones as well instance not in gameplay
the first is when Dante has a costume unlocked for the game, its gameplay, if its an unlockable costume then hell, its gameplay, not in-game story
the second one which is also part of a custscene is in DMC 3, this is also proof of DT being limited, in the cutscene jester says that the demon orb thing gives you power, if your saying Dantes DT is infnite anyway, then what power does it give him? exactley theres no possible answer other than that it gives him infnite DT, if that orb gives him it, then without it, he must not have infnite DT, but yes thats another gameplay part in DMC 3 where he has infnite DT
it seems to take willpower, conciosness and power to stay in DT
you know spiderman is a class 40-50 right, meaning he can lift about 40-50 tons. That means if spiderman punches Dante, it would be like a building falling on his face.
i mean whta if he used it on HOTU Thanos or LT? does it miraculously make the LT near death? sillyness indeed, its not documented, its only effects are gameplay, so therefore its pointless to try and use in debates
25 tons, and that's lifting strength. Force of hits of Spidey isn't that good, strength factor being its only saving grace. Dante, on the other hand, haven't lifted anything heavier than motorcycle, but his force of hits is pretty good. Also Dante has taken superstrong punches from Beowulf and it did nothing impressive to him.
And if you declare all Dante's weaponry\abilities "gameplay" and take 18years old beginner version as a gauge (the one that was on Spidey level), then you should gauge Kain by his beginner version which sucked.
Dante is low herald with all his powers\weaponry(probably high meta, as the border between those two tiers is slight). Anyways, I think it's pointless to debate there as Elder God exists in Nosgoth only and the history of Nosgoth is an unchangeable script with Kain being its "be-all and end-all".
Dante being "slightly more impressive version of Wolverine\Spiderman" is plain stupid.
Originally posted by MadMel
EG can only be touched by the purified soul reaver...everything else goes staight through him..
also, the spectral realm in LOK is different to the DMC variety..
there is nothing dante can do to EG, even if he knew he existed...let all vs elder god threads die, unless its about a different elder god 😬
So other words he cant he is protected by Pis? Anyone wqith spitirial awareness or energy or items should be able to touch and see him. enough with this Only this that can be found in this universe can only harm em.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
25 tons, and that's lifting strength. Force of hits of Spidey isn't that good, strength factor being its only saving grace. Dante, on the other hand, haven't lifted anything heavier than motorcycle, but his force of hits is pretty good. Also Dante has taken superstrong punches from Beowulf and it did nothing impressive to him.
And if you declare all Dante's weaponry\abilities "gameplay" and take 18years old beginner version as a gauge (the one that was on Spidey level), then you should gauge Kain by his beginner version which sucked.Dante is low herald with all his powers\weaponry(probably high meta, as the border between those two tiers is slight). Anyways, I think it's pointless to debate there as Elder God exists in Nosgoth only and the history of Nosgoth is an unchangeable script with Kain being its "be-all and end-all".
Dante being "slightly more impressive version of Wolverine\Spiderman" is plain stupid.
Beowulf is not a 50 tonner though, although ive never seen it documented, id like to see it if he is, ive never seen him do more than break up some pipes i think it is in DMC 3, no but 18 year old Dante is the one who has the most powers, who else we gonna get powers from? you can only speculate to diffrent powers, ive played DMC 2 which is the latest one? but ive seen nothing in the canon storyline impressive that i care to remember, unless you can bring something up
no because kains older self is well documented and so are all his abilities, if theres abilities older dante has that can be proven to be much better and it is documented so then so be it, also none of the kains suck, especially the earliest one, BO 1 kain was incredible, almost as incredible (okie maybe not but he was great) as elder kain of today, okie hes nothing on Elder kain but the weakest one is BO 2 kain who could lift fully armoured knights with one hand effortlessly, turn to mist, jump great distances and make people internally combust and burn to dust, he also had TK so he didnt rly suck, he could still give Dante of any version except maybe Sparda form a run for his money.
no way herald, high meta, but he does not rly have a wide enough selectio of powers or any powers of high enough level to hit low herald imo, mid/high meta...Wolverine is low meta apprently, but Wolvie still has a regeneration rate thats incredible and uses adamantium claws
Originally posted by Csdabest
So other words he cant he is protected by Pis? Anyone wqith spitirial awareness or energy or items should be able to touch and see him. enough with this Only this that can be found in this universe can only harm em.
Dante or Sephiroth at the same time and full power could never defeat EG even if he made himself material, the thing is too big and regenerate whole massive ares of its body and tentacles in no time, faster than Dante even quite easily.
energy doesnt touch EG, spiritual awareness, nope, Mortanius had spiritual awareness, who is in LOK series, he could not see EG....
only spirit reaver can touch him, only cleared sight can see him, kain has both and couldnt kill the thing, not to say he didnt give it a nasty pain for a long time and send it burrowing into the ground but it did not die either
Originally posted by Burning thoughtWolverine wouldn't give Dante a run for anything. 😬
as i said, i looked at it again, hes more mid-high meta, no way can he compare to any herald.....Wolverine would give him a run for his money and hes low meta
Dante can be compared to some Low Heralds in powerset, like Hulk or Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Wolverine wouldn't give Dante a run for anything. 😬Dante can be compared to some Low Heralds in powerset, like Hulk or Juggernaut.
Wolverine can Regerate from almost nothing apprently and his adamantium claws would slash Dante in half.......
not too much, for example both Hulk and juggernaut have exptremes, i just dont think Dante has enough powers of high enough magnitude to equel low herald, for example Hulk can constabtly keep getting stronger, Juggernaut can knock down almost anything, especially when hes running
Originally posted by Fuddle
Wolverine has nearly entirely indestructable skeleton, and in one of the comics he regenerated from being nothing but skeleton 😛
exactley what i mean, hes incredibly regenative, whats Dante gonna do? use his little sword to cut wolverines Adamantium? dont make me laugh, one adamantiuum slice and Dante is on the chop block
exactley, hes tacticle as well, can be intelligent but also fercious combatant and can regerate from nothing, is fairly quick (afaik nothing like bullet speed but hes quick for sure) and has a pair of near indestructable clawls on each hand that can shred most things
yet Wolverine according to V2D couldnt give Dante a run for anything....the only thing Dante beats Wolverine in is speed, other than that wolverine has better melee weaponry, is likely more intelligent in battle after long training and hes not as young as dante and has been fighting for most ofh is life hasnt he?
Dante has guns and speed, thats all over Wolverine naturally, in Sparda mode Dante has flight and range which is the only way he could easily "defeat" wolverine, but never kill, Dantes arsenal has no way of killing wolverine from memory