A Comparison: Jesus and Muhammad

Leon tut tut don't make assumptions for your information i own and have read the Qur'an amongst the Bible and Gnostic gospels i have nothing to gain by inventing stories so please don't take an opposing opinion and dig deep to find something to discredit it!

It is in plain view for all to see that Mohammad raised armies and laid waste to many towns took their women and possesions prisoner and states it's a muslims duty to do the following against non believers until the calpihate is in place and Islam is the only religion left, It is also in plain view that he married Ayisha when she was six years old and consumated the marraige when she was nine and he was 54 years old.

Also there is the unclear intrepretations of the hadiths off what he drank from the goat and what he actually did with the dead womans body.

If your require me to list the following verses in the Qur'an that as i've already stated promotes the following then i'll be happy to oblige you'll find it's all there and not propoganda.

Now the difference is where are the verses in the Bible of the words and testaments depicting Jesus saying it is the duty of a believer to kill and hold to ransom non believers and it is ok for women and members of your own religion who doubt their faith to be treated worse than dogs and to be put to death? I think we can both agree we'll find none.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
besides, your wrong, hell exists for a reason, people are NOT forgiven.

People are forgiven. Or heaven wouldn't exist either.

Originally posted by Quark_666
People are forgiven. Or heaven wouldn't exist either.

Or this life is heaven.

Everything is possible I guess. But that would, of course, increase the possibility that life is also hell.

Originally posted by Quark_666
Everything is possible I guess. But that would, of course, increase the possibility that life is also hell.

Hey! You beat me to my next point. 🙁 😆

Life is Heaven and Hell and 8 other worlds.

http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/faqs/tenworlds.htm

It is a Buddhist way of looking at it. 😉

I thought you might bring up the ten worlds! I've actually used those a lot. 🙂

Never hurts to mix a few religious ideas together...especially when they happen to be more like philosophies anyway😬

Leon tut tut don't make assumptions for your information i own and have read the Qur'an amongst the Bible and Gnostic gospels i have nothing to gain by inventing stories so please don't take an opposing opinion and dig deep to find something to discredit it!

It is in plain view for all to see that Mohammad raised armies and laid waste to many towns took their women and possesions prisoner and states it's a muslims duty to do the following against non believers until the calpihate is in place and Islam is the only religion left, It is also in plain view that he married Ayisha when she was six years old and consumated the marraige when she was nine and he was 54 years old.

the only valid thing there is him marrying aisha. ofcourse, that kind of thing was reletively normal then, so even though it in itself is wrong, muhammad was not specially bad or evil for doing so. and going by aisha's own accounts of her life later{ofcourse u can critique it talking about brianwashing and manipulation of accounts} she loved him more than any1. just saying that it doesnt do to approach such things from a hateful standpoint. as for the other stuff, there was only one or two example in his life where that happened {i.e imprisoning women and children}, and only one where it happened in a proper invasion/conflict. that was after a jewish tribe betrayed the muslims in conflict and left than unprotected, after which they were punished ans their women and children imprisoned. NOT saying that that was right in any way, but you cant project that muhammad was just a madman who was senslessly slaughtering every1 other than himself who he found.

Also there is the unclear intrepretations of the hadiths off what he drank from the goat and what he actually did with the dead womans body.

excuse me, but which hadith are you talking about?? and is it a strong or weak hadith?

If your require me to list the following verses in the Qur'an that as i've already stated promotes the following then i'll be happy to oblige you'll find it's all there and not propoganda.

SELECTIVELY quoting without context is what is wrong. and that is what you are going by. there are many negetive things in RIGHT interpretations, you shud quote those and make argument, not things which are invalid.

Now the difference is where are the verses in the Bible of the words and testaments depicting Jesus saying it is the duty of a believer to kill and hold to ransom non believers and it is ok for women and members of your own religion who doubt their faith to be treated worse than dogs and to be put to death? I think we can both agree we'll find none.

no we can NOT. infact you wont find such VERSES in context, in the wuran EITHER. that is your bias. however, you are very very VERY wrong to assume that such things do not exist in the bible, they VERY much do. i beleive there is even a commandment by jesus sumwhere in the red letter where he told other to take up the sword. but the difference is that jesus has VERY little say in the actual bible. most of it is paul and he among other saints has directly or indirectly said a LOT of very hostile and illogical things which can easily trump what mohammad ever said. also NUMEROUS such references in the old testament. christianity is every bit as hateful as islam, but both can be interpreted in parts to be good too. that is a fact. the hypothesis that islam is more hateful than christianity is COMPLETELY false.

Ah abit defensive.. Yes indeed i'll apologise for being cheeky and starting my reply in the manner i was addressed by yourself that does nothing but insult each others intelligence.

I did not make the distinction of Mohammad marrying aisha as a good or bad thing i just stated the ages they where married and consumated the marriage if i wanted to i could of said he was a pedophile but i didn't and also why when the UK's own Royal family where praticing the same custom even during the 15th century.

The seiges of Medina and Mecca are always described as self defense yet why did Mohammad go out of his way to kill the insulters?

He wasn't a madman as the Qur'an shows alot of positivity but he was like many prophets full of contradiction again as the Qur'an shows which allows many to cherry pick the verses to critcise the religion and character of Mohammad.

The inherent problem people have is the fact that context can be manipulated in the exact same way their is no right or wrong context why do you think extremism exists in both Christainity and Islam that's why i laugh when people make the same tired arguement of ' you don't understand or your not reading it in the right context'

It's futile because if it says 'kill so and so' then it means kill so and so.... it's like your told on the news that a bomb is being dropped on where you live but someone comes around and tells you don't panic it's out of context and nothings going to happen? Who are you going to believe your own eyes or someone else? Inherently it starts to become propaganda and brainwashing if you have to be told by someone else what things are without making the distinctions youself

Also there is little that he revealead that was new in wisdom although it's not a popularity contest it's like comparasions of Jesus revealing little compared to what Buddha already had before him and other prophets. It's as the time grows between each prophet the same inherent message is made but with bits and personal bias tacked on by each person making the message dealing with the world and society as it was in each one of their time to them.

Again my friend you have made an assumption of me i know full well that these where the norms of the times in both the old testament which is probably more violent than anything in the Qur'an and the Qur'an it's self.

But i get the feeling and i may be assuming myself that you think i'm all against Islam and trying like bible bashers to descredit it competely and paint Christainity as something wonderful well that's not the case i am not a fan of either religion just because of the sheer lunacy of following 2000 year old dead mens words and laws and applying them to 21st century life and the trouble both have caused the world and still do and your right according to the Gospel of Thomas Jesus did supposedly claim to come and bring fire and war.

Its doesn´t matter what the Koran or Muslims say, they are the remnants of a Moon God (Allah) religion (crescent moon as symbol).
Total pagan and nothing to do with the Christian religion, apart from bits they obviously copied from the jewish Turah.

Isa who is mentioned in the Koran ISN`T even Jesus, the time frames don´t add up even though there are similarity's.

And theres a whole array of predictions which actually happened leading up to Jesus´s birth and after, this is not the case with the Koran.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Its doesn´t matter what the Koran or Muslims say, they are the remnants of a Moon God (Allah) religion (crescent moon as symbol).
Total pagan and nothing to do with the Christian religion, apart from bits they obviously copied from the jewish Turah.

I can't tell whether you are joking or not. Would you mind specifying?

only in name maybe it had sumthing to do with a moon god. other than that, islam is based a lot on both christianity and judaism.

Originally posted by GGS
Mohammad who encouraged and promoted death, war, rape and robbery and said it was A'ok i'm God's prophet and contary to what God supposedly told the other prophets i'm right. Then their's the sketchy business of him marrying a six year old and having sex with her when she was 9 and he was 54 and the unclear business of what exacatly he did with the goat and the dead woman 👀

Originally posted by Quark_666
I can't tell whether you are joking or not. Would you mind specifying?

Taken from some Christain website.

1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah, he was a moon god.
3. The idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
4. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".
5. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
6. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".
7. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".
8. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
9. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
10. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.

The same argument could be made about Christianity...unless of course you are looking at a Christian website 😛

I don't think it's fair to say Mohammed had paganism beliefs based on what he called his monotheistic religion.

i dont think that is true. if anything, islam borrows from judaism and parts of christianity. as for allah being the moon god, i dun think thats very true. all the idols in kabah were destroyed to begin with. arabic and hebrew are sister languages and "eloih" in hebrew became "allah" in arabic, the muslims claiming that they worshipped the same god as those of abraham. as for the moon, that has more to do with the islamic importance on the lunar calender{like the christian and jewish among others, importance of the solar calendar} than the pagan moon symbol. see the reason is that if you look at muslim history and muhammad's preferences, he was SPECIFICALLY monotheistic and had a hate of worshipping idols and multiple gods. it is infact in the scriptures{forgot if it was a hadith or the quran} that no name to represent god shud be chosen which can be easily atributed to real life things and people.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Taken from some Christain website.

1. Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
2. In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah, he was a moon god.
3. The idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
4. The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".
5. "al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
6. There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".
7. When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".
8. Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
9. Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
10. Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.

Originally posted by Nellinator
This only shows ignorance of how language evolves. Consider the use of the word "Hades" in the New Testament. It was not a referral to the classical meaning of the word, but rather a reference to the Hebrew Sheol. It is simply the way language works.

Meaning the pit or common grave, not hell🙂

But Islams roots IS in the pagan moon god cult FACT!
No language errors or whatever.

Any belief or religion that purposely wants you to hurt another is wrong thinking and should be avoided. Any belief or vision that teaches you to accept everyone as you would do yourself is one to admire.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Meaning the pit or common grave, not hell🙂

But Islams roots IS in the pagan moon god cult FACT!
No language errors or whatever.

No, it isn't. And even if it were the evidence you presented doesn't show an inch of it.

islam's root is not in padanism but in the abrahamic relegions of the past with a little bit of arab customs n stuff.