Battlezone: Desaad vs Quanchi

Originally posted by Desaad
Brimstone Corps

Now I’ve got a lot of other stuff coming, but I wanted to take a moment and talk about at least one aspect of what Darkseid’s plan might be.

First, let me introduce you to Brimstone.

His “birth”

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Then, vs Firestorm (first battle)

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Then vs Cosmic Boy and a hodgepodge JLA

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Vs The Enchantress and killing Blockbuster.

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Now this version of Brimstone is ultimately defeated by exploiting a chink in Brimstone’s armor – the magnetic field that holds his body together modulates at certain frequencies, and a weapon is developed that can go through this. Deadshot destroys the techno-seed and done.

Unfortunately for Thanos (and Quanchi), this gets fixed. As does the Magnetic field disruption problem.

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Vs Firestorm again

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Vs Elemental Firestorm (The most powerful version of Firestorm, to my knowledge)

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Okay, so we’ve established that Brimstone is a pretty powerful construct, capable of taking on Firestorm (multiple incarnations) and the Detroit League AND a Legion of Superhero member pretty well (A version has also had a bad showing against Martian Manhunter, 1v1, but all characters have bad showings, right?)

We also know that, as a programmed construct, it is insanely loyal to Darkseid, believing Darkseid to be the end-all-be-all. Basically, unswayably loyal to Darkseid.

Finally, we know that Brimstone, in point of fact, does not rely on any resources from Darkseid. He has sent out multiple “techno-seeds”, and has done so for frivolous things like showing earth that he still thinks of it from time to time. Instead, they draw their power from whatever sources of tremendous heat they incubate in, be it a nuclear reactor, the sun, or an active volcano.

So the question becomes…what is the limit to Darkseid’s production of these things? And the answer seems to be…as many stars as there are in the sky.

Imagine Darkseid producing countless techno-seeds over the course of the year. It would take minimal loss of resources – just the creation of the techno seed, not the production of the power – and it will allow him to have an army of top tier soldiers fiercely loyal to him, marching to the beat of his drum. Over the course of the year, he might create thousands and thousands of these techno-seeds, sending them all across the universe to stars not surrounded by inhabited worlds (just for ease of use, I mean…why get into needless skirmishes when a war is a’brewin’?).

This would be a HUGE boon to Darkseid, and while I’m sure there are things that Thanos could do to find a way to stop them…I think it would be tough. The Magnetic fields have already been fixed so that it seems that even magnetic manipulation wouldn’t do the job, and the techno-seed is guarded against the same type of attack that Deadshot used.

More coming tonight hopefully.

Quanchi, get in here!

As for the technoseeds and how it would be very difficult to contain you are correct it would be a huge problem. Dont forget though that I have my sneaky Controller putting discs on all sorts of interesting characters for 1 year and when it would be all said and done he would be extremely powerful and influential indeed.

I also have another trump card that will ensure Thanos victory here. That comes later.

Originally posted by Desaad
War Machines

So far I’ve (hopefully) demonstrated how intelligent Darkseid is, how powerful even his fodder is, and the victories that his forces have been able to achieve.

Now I’m going to go some New God technology. Some of the technology I show will actually be New Genesis in origin, but historically Apokolips and New Genesis are in fact on the same level of technology, and occasionally Apokolips actually demonstrates a greater power for war.

First, a couple of statements about Apokolips’ army…

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The army of apokolips could roll over in its sleep and destroy the earth.

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The power of Apokolips’ army is beyond Odin’s ability to reckon.

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Even the nearly omnipotent Ares (gaining the power of the Godwave) is not immune from the power of Darkseid, as Darkseid – apparently planning for his treachery – freezes Ares like a fly in Amber.

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Father Boxes proves capable of creating a weapon that can kill Darkseid with one blast (at point blank range to the head). Father Boxes are the Apokolips version of Mother Boxes, capable of pretty much all the same stuff but bent towards evil.

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When New Genesis and the Justice League of Europe are taken over by a sentient mind, the power of Darkseid’s Anti-Energy proves to be the only thing that can weaken and defeat the monster( as well as, ostensibly, New Genesis technology).

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Here is a random Guard-bot for one of Darkseid’s ventures on earth. See what happens when it faces Wonder Woman.

Ouch.

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Here we see Darkseid construct a platform bigger than New York State, and its only a mere “fraction” of the power of his war machine.

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Darkseid deals with sciences far beyond the understanding of Batman or Superman, and creates a weapon to trap aspects of an immensely powerful cosmic entity.

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The power of Darkseid’s scanners know no bounds, apparently, as even Metron gets monitored without his knowledge. Plus instant molecular scans, etc.

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Now one of Darkseid’s big advantages over Thanos is the fact that he already has a planet, replete with resources and strong forces, as well as a highly defensable recovery base for all his people, with Boom Tube snares and force fields and what have you.

But what if Thanos got a planet of his own? Well…it wouldn’t go well for him, as Darkseid’s Morrow blocks drain the life energy of entire worlds like a child sucking pepsi through a straw. Even gods die before its power.

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Desaad can increase the power of any of his soldiers in the field from the far reaches of Apokolips. Dangerous.

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Even Thanos’ super strong soldiers are going to be in trouble when captured with energy bonds that actually gain power from whatever force is directed against them.

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Above is yet another way that Darkseid is able to resurrect beings – not just parademons, but anyone or anything. This greatly expands the idea that Darkseid’s forces can’t ever really be killed – even his non parademons can be resurrected.

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Even armor that Darkseid gives out to pawns like Lex Luthor – hardly one of his elite – prove capable of going toe to toe with an evil Supergirl, who just finished defeating the Justice League (Luthor eventually loses).

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The New Gods create a demi-god Aurakles, the first superhero, an immensely powerful being of cosmic proportions. They give to him a number of gifts.

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One of the Seven Imperishable Treasures given to Aurakles by the New Gods of New Genesis, this sword was forged to last until the end of the universe itself – until the last black star swallows it whole. It also has the special features of being light as a feather and can only be wielded by one pure of heart.

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So too did the New Gods give to the mortals a hammer capable of splitting atoms.

Not exactly Mjoliner, but it will do.

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The Cauldron of Rebirth, again a gift from the New Gods, allows one to heal any wound and bring the dead back to life.

Yet another technology to bring back the dead.

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With two Father Boxes, Klarion the Witchboy takes over the Sheeda, an incredibly powerful race of super evolved humans from the future who go back in time to devour entire civilizations.

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Another gift from the New Gods allows Zatanna – stripped of her powers by her own self doubt – to go head to head in a reality altering battle with a rogue Time Tailor.

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A random Apokolips enforcer mech gives Byrne Superman a great fight, and the operator inside takes control of Superman’s motor functions and directs him into the fire pits itself…powerful enough to give him amnesia.

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You better hope Thanos doesn’t have any telepaths on his side – not only are they going to be useless against any New God, and pretty useless against the Parademons, but they might also have that power turned against them by a Psychic Distorter.

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Wow thats Batman,Superman, and a few others going to Apokolips and taking Supergirl back from Darkseid. Whats to stop Thanos from simply blowing up Darkseid'd planet Apokolips. He is even better at prep than Batman and will have a whole year to do this. I have already showed you that he sacrificed his whole entire fleet and used them merely as a distraction. So this is twice now that I have seen Ds vulnerable and the other time he was at war with the green lanterns and was almost assassinated by Raker.

The only reason Darkseid trapped Ares like a fly in amber was because he knew the exact moment to retaliate which was the only moment the could act to stop him before he became to powerful to deal with.

It is impressive that Ds and the New god technology was used to stop the sentient mind but come on like Thanos hasnt been instrumental in stopping big threats before. He stopped the Magus and out thought a god who rules a thousand worlds.

Father boxes are impressive but I feel you are overrating New god technology and will explain why later on another post.
Guardbot will be fun to destroy. You aint seen nothing yet from me.

Darkseid creating these huge structures the size of New York state is impressive but its just more to demolish for Thanos. The guy wrecked a planet with Drax and he was fine. Remember that was when he was at his weakest as well.

Darkseid deals with sciences that Batman and Superman cant understand but it really doesnt matter because both have gotten the better of Darkseid before. Batman understood enough about Apokolips to blow it to smithereens if Darkseid would have not released Supergirl.

Desaad can indeed increase the power of his troops but its nothing impressive. I mean it helps but Desaad himself is not a powerhouse and they are much weaker than he is.

Ds gave out armor to Luthor and he lost. While to even be able to keep up with Supergirl is impressive it matters not. Thanos has awesome technology that he creates just messing around.

Aurakles will be dealt with. He will be in for the fight of his life among with the others once this battle gets under way. My trump card will explain all. I havent got into my bigtime allies yet so just be patient and wait.

A hammer that can split atoms is impressive but even mjolnir itself is nothing to the might of Thanos. He waves it down like its nothing. Im sure this hammer doesnt have one-tenth of the feats that mjolnir has as well.

I think Darkseid having his own planet is a disadvantage as all you need is a bigtime explosion to make it go away. You wont know where Thanos is. He could be on Titan but then again he could be somewhere else.

Wasnt Byrne Superman weaker? And really how many times has Superman been mindcontrolled. Scarecrow did it recently.

So far we have heard how great Apokoliptian technology is from Desaad. Well I would like to hear his reply for these scans and why something such as this was achieved so easily.

Our little tale has Doomsday along with Cyborg invading the huge titanic world known as Apokolips.

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This is where Darkseid decides to take a more active role in this. Geez I would have thought he could keep summoning parademons at will against this brainless foe known as Doomsday. All the other great Apokoliptian weapons seem useless on Doomsday. Now lets see how Darkseid himself fares as he enters this dire situation.

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Now this is just pathetic here. Darkseid fell rather easily wouldnt you say?

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Here is where Desaad realizes that Apokolips itself needs help in order to remedy the situation.

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As you just saw Desaad bfr'd him when he had the chance. I would have thought it would be much easier to bfr someone who is about intelligent as Jason Voorhees. But I guess Apokolips isnt so great and its a good thing Superman showed up to save the day.

Let us see how Cyborg now fares against Apokolips and its defenses. Meanwhile Superman saves Darkseid's life because he was fatally wounded by Doomsday.
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So now we have Cyborg taking over Apokolips defenses completely and Superman saving Darkseid's life. Wow if Superman hadnt showed up all of Apokolips might be under the tyrannical rule of Cyborg.

Now let us see how Thanos handles this mere annoyance called Champion who has tracked him down but really serves as no real threat.

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See how easily Thanos can bfr those he wishes to. While Darkseid and all of Apokolips could only do it when the moment was right after Darkseid himself fell in combat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Ok now its time to see some of Thanos' forces here. I have been very busy over the holidays but this fight is far from over with.

Ok here are two of Thanos' goons early on. They are called the Blood Brothers and while they are not the most powerful twosome out there the two of them had more than enough firepower to defeat Iron Man.
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Iron Man needed help from this powerful guy known as Drax the Destroyer. Hes a pain in the ass to have on your back as he has always wanted and lived only to kill Thanos. Here is the kind of power he has at his disposal. Also note it was explained he will always come back and cant truly be killed until his mission of killing Thanos is complete.

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So while the Blood Brothers arent going to be winning wars on there own they needed to be taken out by Drax and Iron Man teaming up to defeat them. As you just saw Drax was invloved in a planet destroying battle and it couldnt put him down for good.

The Blood Brothers were OWNED by Post-Power down Drax (in his most recent limited Series).

They are cake for even the fodder of Apokolips.

Here is one of Thanos' many robots who do his bidding and give the illusion that its the real Thanos.

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Here are yet two more powerful allies known as Paibok and Superskrull. Superskrull has the powers of the fantastic four and can shapeshift while Paibok is not be underestimated and is the thinker of these two skrulls here while Superskrull is definitely the warrior. These two could cause mayhem and really infiltrate the ranks of Apokolips with Paibok's clever thinking and their shapeshifting abilities.

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The idea these two could infiltrate Apokolips that is at war seems doubtful -- they're pretty stupid, and Darkseid would undoubtedly have technology to suss such tactics out.

Certainly Darkseid has his own shape shifters, telepaths, and illusion casters to do just the same.

This interesting fellow is called the Controller. He bested Captain Marvel in their first encounter with ease. Quite a powerful character and he has such potential as well.

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Here is where it gets interesting and the potential I briefly hinted at before.
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Imagine how powerful he could get with these slave discs in a year preparing for this invasion of Apokolips.

Captain Marvel has to get an upgrade here from Eon to become cosmically aware to deal with Thanos in this particular storyline.

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Here is Thanos's massive space armada.

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The funny thing is about his massive armada he really didnt care if they won or lost because it was all basically a trick because he had the cosmic cube and didnt even care about their fates.

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So this time it will be different and he wont be relying on any artifacts of power and wont just sacrifice them for the helluva it. Funny thing is Thanos killed most of his own troops with this cosmic cube as they failed. That wont be happening here in this war.

Lets be honest; that "massive" space armada is nothing to the kind of power Darkseid brings to the table.

Here is the mindcyclone and let the scans speak for themselves.
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Darkseid's machines have literally ripped people's SOULS from their body, as they did to Mortalla, not to mention all those with the Anti Life Equation.

So with what I have shown you here its impressive in what he could accomplish with these forces alone. Imagine the slave discs taking control of important people and using outside forces while powering up the Controller to insane heights if power and strength.

I'm interested to hear what you mean by "important people".

Any aggression against Earth is going to be ill advised, I think. We saw that something as common as Captain Marvel being connected to Rick Jones was enough to overload a Controller's disc -- they would be nothing to all the telepaths, and perhaps telekinetics, on the planet (Not to mention those with fortified minds such as the Hulk).

And any abduction of heroes from earth who are susceptible is going to bring the wrath of other heroes; again, ill advised to make such enemies in the planning stages. It is the type of move that could get you defeated before you even begin.

There are two skrulls here who could shapeshift their ways to be spies on Apokolips and plant slave discs on Apokoliptians.

Given the New Gods' high invulnerability to telepathy, it seems unlikely that this would work.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]You see the thing with Cronus is this. He may have had the sickle which contained the power of the godwave but he only challenged the Olympians with his own power. He had more worshipers at the time and that gave him the edge but he had no additional power until he stomped through the Greek pantheon. So he was indeed more powerful after the battle but not during.

He was already more powerful than the gods due to worship -- and he had an army of gods on his side as well. He ripped through all other pantheons in the DCU.

Until you can find me something that puts these guys as under-powered, there is no low showing here. Olympus lost to a rival group of gods, who got more worship and were therefore more powerful.

On the other hand, THIS kind of owning is just embarassing...and guess who Mrs. Granny works for....?

(I was going to save this for my last forces section, but it seems appropriate here)

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Thats twice that Darkseid has proven capable of conquering olympus; once with just his fodder forces (Parademons) and another with just one of his elite.

Granny also levitates and teleports Paradise Island, and banishes all the Amazons to around the world, wiping their minds and giving them new identities.

Ok with regards to your claim of Darkseid never really intending on murdering Darkseid lets be serious here shall we. When you are locked in battle with New Genesis for ages Im sure one of his goals was to defeat and kill Izaya his equal.

I can't think of an instance of this being true. He's never tried to kill Izaya and has had him at his mercy at least once.

Ultimately he wants to conquer the entire universe, yes, Izaya with it, but killing Izaya ALONE - without defeating New Genesis - Darkseid has no interest in. And has never tried it.

Ds took over Apokolips and that was masterfully done but with regards to the great war nothing has really changed. New Genesis still stands as does Apokolips with no side gaining the upper hand and actually winning this neverending war. So again great job on becoming this merciless dictator and lousy job on actually winning the war with New Genesis.

Let me stress again; he had no desire to win the war. That wasn't his goal in starting the thing. His goal was to create the right conditions to take power -- which he did.

New Genesis is the eternal stalemate to Apokolips. They technology they possess is on the level of Apokolips. Their forces are equal, and they monitor Apokolips so Apok would never get any prep without THEM also getting prep.

There is no shame and being equal to that.

I cannot believe you call Ares lucky as that is not the case at all.

Look at that scan again and read what it says. It says Ares was always ready for this and knew exactly where to be at this crucial moment in time. Darkseid was clueless and was used basically.

Haha, clueless?

Darkseid DISCOVERED the Godwave, and did all the planning to get all the pieces in place to allow himself to be in the perfect position to take its power.

Yes, Ares was able to sneak in - mostly because no one knew of his evil, where as Darkseid's evil is so overt - but Darkseid was not so "out planned" as you say that Ares got away with it. Quite the opposite, just as Ares THOUGHT he won, Darkseid revealled that he had planned for betrayal the entire time, and stopped him dead.

Darkseid probably would have claimed the power for himself if Ares hadnt be planning for this even before Darkseid had a clue. Darkseid knew how to counter but that wasnt his plan and he had to react to his foe at the exact key moment or all would have been lost.

That wasn't his plan? Then why was that piece of technology in there?

Certainly he PLANNED for it. It wasn't the best option, but he planned for the eventuality that something like that would happen, and he salvaged it.

And with regards to the Raker and Darkseid fiasco I dont really care if you think Ds was about to oneshot him or Raker was about to take his head off wit the shovel he had in his hand. The point is this my friend that Ds simply left himself open for attack even though he mopped the floor with the Green Lantern. Even with the yellow weakness thanks to Desaad tampering with the lantern ring Darkseid was still out in the battlefield and was thrashed by Raker.

To be clear, the Yellow Weakness wasn't instilled by Desaad or anything. It wasn't a result of Desaad tampering with the rings. I think you mean "tinkering" with the rings, to DISCOVER the yellow weakness.

Ds should be a liitle more careful in the field of battle because Thanos wont arrive and call a truce. He'll order the execution of Darkseid and take over his stinking planet.

DS brings himself into battle, yes.

And Thanos does not? When he goes to help Warlock with the Magus, did Thanos not bring himself into battle there -- and almost die at the hands of the Magus for his trouble? Did he just leave it to his troops whn he tried to snuff out the suns with the soul gems? No, he got physically and personally involved -- and got turned into stone for his trouble, and his giant gem destroyed and his plans foiled.

If leaving oneself open to attack is trouble, than Thanos is in as much if not more trouble than Darkseid.

You acknowledge Batman and how he himself punked Ds with little to no resources as Thanos would such have available to him.

No, I acknowledge that Batman was able to mildly affect Darkseid with 4 years of one sided prep working from the inside.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Thanos will plan his strike from Titan where he had a brief stint as its heartless dictator. He will also have the aid of Isaac,Titan's supercomputer.

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There are two parts of this plan that are unfortunate;

Firstly, the fact that Thanos has to expend his resources to conquer and then keep Titan as his base. That is going to take time, planning, and resources all its own, and keeping it as a stronghold against the will of A'lars and the other Titanian Eternals is going to be a bit of a struggle, dividing Thanos' attention.

Darkseid, obviously, isn't going to have that problem what with his absolute rule of Apokolips.

Secondly...Isaac is useless. He helped Thanos' enemies about as much as he did Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Ok now I am going to show you all Thanos' impressive spacechair.

For the record, this Throne was destroyed and Thanos was unable to replicate it fully, since he didn't actually create it. He was able to pull of a replica without a lot of the mystical bells and whistles of the original.

Here is another brilliant manuever that Thanos pulled off here in these scans. Thanos fooled the Surfer into thinking he killed Thanos. The reason he did this was to be unimpeded by Norrin as he went after the infinity gems.

Haha, creating the equivalent of a Doombot does not strike me as a genius move -- especially since it didn't work.

Otherwise I might use the fact that Darkseid was able to manipulate Superman and Wonder Woman into fighting each other with a very intelligent use of holograms.

I feel similarly about his "battle" with Grandmaster in which his brilliant plan again consists of sending a Doombot to do his dirty business.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Now I want to show how effective this teleportation trick is that Thanos possesses here on his craft.

I just want to point out how inferior this is to what Darkseid possesses. Boom Tubes are devices to warp the bounds of reality itself. Time and Space are meaningless concepts when you have a Boom Tube - it allows one to travel to anywhere in space, through dimensions, and in some examples even through time.

Here is his weaponlike ship he created when he was younger and wanted to conquer the universe with an assault. It is called the Dreadnaught-666.

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Here is it firing.

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Considering this was his most powerful (offensively) ship ever...thats pretty sad. I've shown you examples of New God technology destroying entire SUNS, much less this which didn't fully destroy a small moon?

Imagine how many stasis guns Thanos could make in a year's time. I mean he was just tinkering around when he created it to begin with and in a wartime situation he would be about business.

As impressive as the Stasis guns are, Apokolips basically has a similar thing going for it in the field that uses one's own strength against it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]This Brimstone is impressive indeed and his loyalty makes him quite an asset to Darkseid in this war with Thanos. But Thanos has faced grimmer foes and defeated them in the heat of the moment...like the pun. He was defeated and killed by Firestorm one on one. While he is powerful indeed Im going to be going into some heavy hitters here that make Brimstone look like a nancyboy.

Remember, I haven't gotten into any "heavy hitters" for Darkseid yet. These are just the fodder I'm taling about.

But since your plans basically amount to "Thanos will find a way", I don't really see anything to respond to here; Brimestone went toe to toe with god damn ELEMENTAL Firestorm. Look at their absurd battle in the sun, and tell me that wasn't impressive!

An army of those would be absolutely unstoppable. Even if you managed to kill it, it becomes a suicide bomber, destroying everything in the vicinity. Its the perfect warrior.

As for the technoseeds and how it would be very difficult to contain you are correct it would be a huge problem. Dont forget though that I have my sneaky Controller putting discs on all sorts of interesting characters for 1 year and when it would be all said and done he would be extremely powerful and influential indeed.

Again, the Controller isn't going to be putting his discs on anyone of import on earth, and can't get through to Apokolips during that one years time anyway.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The army of Apokolips couldnt roll over in its sleep and conquer earth. No friggin way with the help that dc earth gets. I mean the Sinestro Corps failed and they had the Anti Monitor,Superman Prime,Sinestro,Cyborg with his rings,Parallax an army of manhunters and a shitload of Sinestro Corps. So please dont try to tell me earth is going to roll over for Darkseid when Batman has gone to his planet and punked him.

Hey man, I'm just relaying what the COMICS are saying. If you want to disagree, that is your perogative, but I have in continuity references saying as much.

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Wow thats Batman,Superman, and a few others going to Apokolips and taking Supergirl back from Darkseid.

There are a number of reasons this has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Firstly, they have New God technology to get themselves in, with the help of Barda. Thanos isn't going to get any of that, and Apokolips has snares and forcefields around itself to protect from similar incursions.

Secondly, this is a small, dedicated, powerful force that goes to Apokolips with a single objective; to get Supergirl out of there.

They have one sided prep - Darkseid isn't expecting them, hasn't built any defenses with them in mind, hasn't done anything to prepare at all.

And Thanos doesn't have anyone on his side with the intellect of Batman or the power of Superman. The only way for Thanos to do something similar would be to go in himself, and that basically spells certain death.

Meanwhile, a dedicated force of Iron Man, Thor, Spiderman and a couple of others were able to totally infiltrate Thanos' ship and destroy his big gem when he was trying to destroy all the suns in the universe -- what is to stop a couple of Darkseid's weaker soldiers from doing the same? It seems REAL easy to get to Thanos and snuff him and his out.

Whats to stop Thanos from simply blowing up Darkseid'd planet Apokolips. He is even better at prep than Batman and will have a whole year to do this.

The difference is that Darkseid will know that he is coming, and will have a whole year to PREPARE for this.

I have already showed you that he sacrificed his whole entire fleet and used them merely as a distraction. So this is twice now that I have seen Ds vulnerable and the other time he was at war with the green lanterns and was almost assassinated by Raker.

You just admitted above that we don't know that Darkseid was going to be assasinated by Raker - he might have calmly destroyed him, or been unaffected by the blow to the head (which seems the most likely case). Leaving oneself open to attack may have been a function of the fact that he couldn't really be hurt by any of the combatants.

The only reason Darkseid trapped Ares like a fly in amber was because he knew the exact moment to retaliate which was the only moment the could act to stop him before he became to powerful to deal with.

And the reason he knew that? Because he was intelligent. Because he had a good plan, good intel, and knew everything there was to know about it -- much moreso than Ares, apparently, as Ares was trapped like a bug and apparently had no idea he could have been.

And no matter how "weak" Ares might have been there, he was still on his way to having control of a universal level power, so it is still an extremely impressive tech feat.

It is impressive that Ds and the New god technology was used to stop the sentient mind but come on like Thanos hasnt been instrumental in stopping big threats before. He stopped the Magus and out thought a god who rules a thousand worlds.

And Darkseid was instrumental to the defeat of the Anti-Moniter (Something I believe I neglected to put up in my "tech" section, and will add right now)

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And many other foes as well.

I'm just giving you an example of how impressive Darkseid's technology is.

Darkseid creating these huge structures the size of New York state is impressive but its just more to demolish for Thanos. The guy wrecked a planet with Drax and he was fine. Remember that was when he was at his weakest as well.

A small, lifeless, uninhabited planet and war platforms the size of NY State are different animals, of course.

If we are going into personal power, Darkseid threatened to destroy Warworld (the size of Pluto, but made of metal and weapons) with his Omegas. And we've seen that New God technology can destroy suns, so...

Darkseid deals with sciences that Batman and Superman cant understand but it really doesnt matter because both have gotten the better of Darkseid before.

Thanos has made note of the fact that he doesn't want to get involved with the Hulk, and Iron Man has gotten the better of Thanos before as well, as have Captain Mar-Vell and Adam Warlock.

It happens. It is the nature of being a villain.

Desaad can indeed increase the power of his troops but its nothing impressive. I mean it helps but Desaad himself is not a powerhouse and they are much weaker than he is.

Huh? Desaad gave Byrne Superman a good tussel, and has his source gun banishment, but he's never been a physical power house. The troops have more physical power than he does...he works solely through his works as an artificer of war weapons.

He doesn't have to physically engage anyone to be dangerous. Indeed, Darkseid would never use him that way.

Ds gave out armor to Luthor and he lost. While to even be able to keep up with Supergirl is impressive it matters not. Thanos has awesome technology that he creates just messing around.

The fact that he gave this armor to a mere earthing says a lot about how little he cared about it, what little power it represented to him. Perhaps he would manufacture in en mass, perhaps not. But its still an extremely impressive piece of equipment to just give away, more impressive than any armor I know of Thanos building.

Aurakles will be dealt with. He will be in for the fight of his life among with the others once this battle gets under way. My trump card will explain all. I havent got into my bigtime allies yet so just be patient and wait.

To be clear, I'm not saying that Aurakles specifically is going to be an ally of Darkseid; he was created by New Genesis, not Apokolips, and is a force for good. Yes, Darkseid did "own" him in Seven Soldiers, but I never saw him do his bidding, so it seems unlikely that he would do so here.

I'm just showing an example of the kind of power and technology the New Gods have, what they are capable of creating.

A hammer that can split atoms is impressive but even mjolnir itself is nothing to the might of Thanos. He waves it down like its nothing. Im sure this hammer doesnt have one-tenth of the feats that mjolnir has as well.

And if this were about Thanos fighting specifically, I'd agree it wouldn't do much. But this is about Darkseid and Thanos' FORCES at work, and you haven't brought to the table anyone who wouldn't be felled by an atom bomb to the face.

I think Darkseid having his own planet is a disadvantage as all you need is a bigtime explosion to make it go away.

If you can get past his defenses, sure.

But apparently you don't think its much of a disadvantage, since you gave Thanos the staging area of Titan, despite the massive resource and time cost this would take.

Wasnt Byrne Superman weaker?

Yes.

But stronger than anyone that Thanos has working for him that you have thus far demonstrated.

And really how many times has Superman been mindcontrolled. Scarecrow did it recently.

Scarecrow was using Desaad's technology.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So far we have heard how great Apokoliptian technology is from Desaad. Well I would like to hear his reply for these scans and why something such as this was achieved so easily.

Our little tale has Doomsday along with Cyborg invading the huge titanic world known as Apokolips.

Hunter/Prey Doomsday came without preperation, without knowledge. Darkseid chose to engage him in one on one and got his butt handed to him. Desaad teleported the monster away, and everything was fine.

Oh, and Cyborg Superman got taken out like a punk, without issue. Yes, THE Cyborg Superman, who can basically take control of any technology, including that of the Source Wall, and can't be isolated.

Everything turned out fine.

Not a great showing, but considering what we saw a "weaker" Doomsday do to the GLC (with a Green Lantern ring), not too shabby at all.

Now let us see how Thanos handles this mere annoyance called Champion who has tracked him down but really serves as no real threat.

You're damn RIGHT he was no real threat. This isn't the same at ALL.

Dumb Drax was able to take this version of the Champion down with ONE punch to the head. Dumb Drax is, at best, Professor Hulk level.

Comparing Cyborg Superman and Doomsday to Champion is a desperate, desperate move.

And using this as any basis of how Darkseid is going to fare when he has prep time on his side is likewise a desperate, desperate move.

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See how easily Thanos can bfr those he wishes to. While Darkseid and all of Apokolips could only do it when the moment was right after Darkseid himself fell in combat.

You must be joking. The number of times Darkseid has "BFRed" someone is legion, using his Omega Beams to teleport Superman multiple times, or Infinity Man, or the Forever People.

This whole post was pretty much useless in proving your point, and points to a lack of knowledge about one of Darkseid's most basic abilities and tendencies.

Alright, finally lets get down to the last big section of the force of Apokolips – the specific players, the elite. This is going to be VERY incomplete because I don’t have as much time as I would like, and there have been a lot of ‘em over the years.

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This is Agogg. As you may have noticed, he is incredibly strong and durable, capable of casually defeating Lightray AND Orion. This guy alone is far above top tier – more than capable of dealing with pretty much any threat Thanos is going to be able to throw at him.

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This is Steppenwolf, uncle to Darkseid. Izaya killed him, and his very existence is proof positive of Darkseid’s ability to resurrect (as if there could be any doubt now, given all the different instances and methods he has used). Here he pretty well outmatches a Bart Allen (Flash) who has the ENTIRE Speed Force in his body. Bart eventually uses tricks to win, but obviously feels overmatched the entire time. Considering how powerful he was at the time, that’s saying quite a lot.

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This is the Tyrus, an elite of Darkseid. He and his 3 headed hound are Darkseid’s bounty hunters (along with Devilance, I suppose). See what happens to Orion once a clean shot gets off.

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What we have here is Necromina – an elite capable of reviving and controlling the dead (as zombies) as well as shooting blasts of pure death.

We’ve already established that Darkseid’s parademons can be resurrected with just a word from their master. We’ve established that Darkseid’s elite can be resurrected by any number of means, not the least of which his own power, but also with his technology (Cauldron of Rebirth, the device we saw Lightray pondering over). Now, the power of Necromina allows for large scale resurrection and control of the fallen dead…of the OPPOSITE’s forces, at least during a particular skirmish. That’s huge. That means that any fallen warrior on Thanos’ side is potentially a fighter for Darkseid, assuming Necromina happens to be involved in that particular battle.

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The Gravi-Guards; Superman crushers.

I wanted to get more done, but it seems I am short on time, so I'll have to leave it at this for now.

Rest assured, I have more fun showings for Darkseid's elite and his allies.

Originally posted by Desaad
The Blood Brothers were OWNED by Post-Power down Drax (in his most recent limited Series).

They are cake for even the fodder of Apokolips.

The idea these two could infiltrate Apokolips that is at war seems doubtful -- they're pretty stupid, and Darkseid would undoubtedly have technology to suss such tactics out.

Certainly Darkseid has his own shape shifters, telepaths, and illusion casters to do just the same.

Lets be honest; that "massive" space armada is nothing to the kind of power Darkseid brings to the table.

Darkseid's machines have literally ripped people's SOULS from their body, as they did to Mortalla, not to mention all those with the Anti Life Equation.

I'm interested to hear what you mean by "important people".

Any aggression against Earth is going to be ill advised, I think. We saw that something as common as Captain Marvel being connected to Rick Jones was enough to overload a Controller's disc -- they would be nothing to all the telepaths, and perhaps telekinetics, on the planet (Not to mention those with fortified minds such as the Hulk).

And any abduction of heroes from earth who are susceptible is going to bring the wrath of other heroes; again, ill advised to make such enemies in the planning stages. It is the type of move that could get you defeated before you even begin.

Given the New Gods' high invulnerability to telepathy, it seems unlikely that this would work.

Paibok is intelligent. His plan backfired but it was masterful still the same but Captain Marvel seemed to be to much for this. It isnt as if Paibok has to interact with Darkseid himself he could interact with his slow witted son Kalibak.

I never said the massive space armada was enough to defeat Darkseid here. But it is still impressive nonetheless. It has to be dealt with. It helps the numbers game, Lots of pawns for Thanos to send into battle.

With regards to important people I was referring to government officials. Im sure they could infiltrate the Skrull army as well as I already have the Superskrull and Paibok. Not to mention the fact that the Contoller becomes more powerful with every additional person or alien who is controlled by him.

Darkseid may have his own shapeshifters but you wont really know where Thanos' home base will be. It could be Titan but then again it could be one of his main ships also,or his deserted planet.

Originally posted by Desaad
He was already more powerful than the gods due to worship -- and he had an army of gods on his side as well. He ripped through all other pantheons in the DCU.

Until you can find me something that puts these guys as under-powered, there is no low showing here. Olympus lost to a rival group of gods, who got more worship and were therefore more powerful.

On the other hand, THIS kind of owning is just embarassing...and guess who Mrs. Granny works for....?

(I was going to save this for my last forces section, but it seems appropriate here)

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Thats twice that Darkseid has proven capable of conquering olympus; once with just his fodder forces (Parademons) and another with just one of his elite.

Granny also levitates and teleports Paradise Island, and banishes all the Amazons to around the world, wiping their minds and giving them new identities.

I can't think of an instance of this being true. He's never tried to kill Izaya and has had him at his mercy at least once.

Ultimately he wants to conquer the entire universe, yes, Izaya with it, but killing Izaya ALONE - without defeating New Genesis - Darkseid has no interest in. And has never tried it.

Let me stress again; he had no desire to win the war. That wasn't his goal in starting the thing. His goal was to create the right conditions to take power -- which he did.

New Genesis is the eternal stalemate to Apokolips. They technology they possess is on the level of Apokolips. Their forces are equal, and they monitor Apokolips so Apok would never get any prep without THEM also getting prep.

There is no shame and being equal to that.

Haha, clueless?

Darkseid DISCOVERED the Godwave, and did all the planning to get all the pieces in place to allow himself to be in the perfect position to take its power.

Yes, Ares was able to sneak in - mostly because no one knew of his evil, where as Darkseid's evil is so overt - but Darkseid was not so "out planned" as you say that Ares got away with it. Quite the opposite, just as Ares THOUGHT he won, Darkseid revealled that he had planned for betrayal the entire time, and stopped him dead.

That wasn't his plan? Then why was that piece of technology in there?

Certainly he PLANNED for it. It wasn't the best option, but he planned for the eventuality that something like that would happen, and he salvaged it.

To be clear, the Yellow Weakness wasn't instilled by Desaad or anything. It wasn't a result of Desaad tampering with the rings. I think you mean "tinkering" with the rings, to DISCOVER the yellow weakness.

DS brings himself into battle, yes.

And Thanos does not? When he goes to help Warlock with the Magus, did Thanos not bring himself into battle there -- and almost die at the hands of the Magus for his trouble? Did he just leave it to his troops whn he tried to snuff out the suns with the soul gems? No, he got physically and personally involved -- and got turned into stone for his trouble, and his giant gem destroyed and his plans foiled.

If leaving oneself open to attack is trouble, than Thanos is in as much if not more trouble than Darkseid.

No, I acknowledge that Batman was able to mildly affect Darkseid with 4 years of one sided prep working from the inside.

Granny Goodness doing this makes this quite a feat. But it shows to me the lack of awareness that this pantheon had. In our situation here Thanos and Darkseid have one year and they know the will be squaring off. There will be no element of surprise when this war begins.

The bottom line is this with regards to Darkseid and Izaya. Darkseid wants to conquer New Genesis. He would kill Izaya if he had the chance as well. He is an effective leader and one that has been able to ward off Darkseid's attacks for years. Darkseid hasnt seized New Genesis and won this war and hes had an awfully long time to do this. Both sides have nice technology here but Darkseid failing to win this war shows that with an equal opponent in a wartime setting he cant just get the drop on him.

Ares was in the right place at the right time and when he seized the prize for himself Darkseid reacted and along with everyone else stopped him cold. Darkseid failed in this story as he wanted the godwave for himself. This you cannot dispute.

Thanos got involved because he had to. He didnt almost die at the hands of the Magus. I dont know where you are getting this. He was fine and was nowhere near death. The only reason he personally got involved was because Gamora failed but the guy was a god who ruled over a thousand worlds so he was quite powerful.

When he tried to snuff out the sun he did leave himself open. But the reason is because he likes to brag on occasion and does what most villains do he defeated the heroes but didnt kill them. Lord Chaos and Master Order were also involved here. I mean look at all the forces that gather to stop Thanos. Kronos,Lord,Chaos,Master Order all throw their chips in to stop this threat. Thanos losing to Warlock who he previously killed is no big wow you missed that kind of mistake. He friggin killed him and then his spirit came back. That is something you cannot plan for.

Here are some more allies for Thanos that he needed to get some things doen for him lets say. The did what he wanted because after all he is Thanos and when he talks people listen.

Here is Nitro,Rhino,Titanium Man,once again Superskrull, and Geatar.

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Here is another of Thanos' spacecrafts Demeter. This was built it appears for speed and maneuverability.
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Thanos seeks information and a challenge. So him doing this just for the helluva it against Darkseid seems feasible indeed. Thanos lives for challenges.

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Its safe to say that Tyrant is one helluva challenge.

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This guy is in the league of Galactus. Thats a lot of power me thinks.

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Thanos know has an ally with the power cosmic. Terrax is one fine warrior as well and has been shown destroying a planet before with his power.

Here Thanos finds one of Tyrant's orbs.
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Here he confronts Tyrant.
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Its a powerful enough weapon to hurt a badass like Tyrant.

Here there has been much debate what Thanos is doing with the orb. Is he powering himself up or he is using the energies in this orb for something else. Either way he out the orb and its energies to use and did what he set out to do. He challenged Tyrant.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Tyrant-35-36.jpg

This time he will challenge Darkseid a much weaker foe than Tyrant and will have a whole year in which to do so.

Originally posted by Desaad
Hunter/Prey Doomsday came without preperation, without knowledge. Darkseid chose to engage him in one on one and got his butt handed to him. Desaad teleported the monster away, and everything was fine.

Oh, and Cyborg Superman got taken out like a punk, without issue. Yes, THE Cyborg Superman, who can basically take control of any technology, including that of the Source Wall, and can't be isolated.

Everything turned out fine.

Not a great showing, but considering what we saw a "weaker" Doomsday do to the GLC (with a Green Lantern ring), not too shabby at all.

You're damn RIGHT he was no real threat. This isn't the same at ALL.

Dumb Drax was able to take this version of the Champion down with ONE punch to the head. Dumb Drax is, at best, Professor Hulk level.

Comparing Cyborg Superman and Doomsday to Champion is a desperate, desperate move.

And using this as any basis of how Darkseid is going to fare when he has prep time on his side is likewise a desperate, desperate move.

You must be joking. The number of times Darkseid has "BFRed" someone is legion, using his Omega Beams to teleport Superman multiple times, or Infinity Man, or the Forever People.

This whole post was pretty much useless in proving your point, and points to a lack of knowledge about one of Darkseid's most basic abilities and tendencies.

Then we see Desaad contemplating an evacuation even though he says it shames them all. Keep in mind this is what Darkseid's next plan was going to be. The dumbass didnt bfr him becaquse quite frankly he was stupid in this storyline but it shows us how he reacts when the chips are down. Next Desaad asks for help to deal with this. He sent out an emergency message for help. Yes, help to deal with a creature that could be bfr'd with ease by Darkseid yet the dumbass that he is chose to engage and get his ass kicked.

Even you have to admit that without Superman's help Apokolips was done for. He saved Darkseid and then Desaad used the distraction that Superman provided and he said specifically this was Desaad's only chance. Thats how he bfr'd Doomsday.

Cyborg was only defeated because Superman bought Darkseid time to recover and fire his omega beams. There will be no Superman aid in this war.

I never implied that Champion was a threat but he did just show up and met him face to face. Thanos bfr'd him without hesitation. He didnt need a distraction and didnt have time to plan out a strategy while his planet's forces kept his foe busy like Darkseid.

The point is my friend that Darkseid did know how formidable this Doomsday was and that his elite guard were nothing. At no point in time did he mention teleporting him away but instead talked of evacuation. Face the facts please.

Ok I will touch now upon all of Thanos' sanctuary type spacecrafts. The Thanos clone in the celestial quest had a modified version of Sanctuary. Thanos had the another Sanctuary that he used in the Walker story arc in Captain Marvel. It was destroyed in the Infinity Abyss storyline. He had yet another Sanctuary that he used at the end of the Infinity Abyss alongside with Gamora that was later destroyed in the Epiphany story arc by Galactus. He had one more Sanctuary he summoned for the end of Epiphany that the Fallen one later destroyed.

Here are the scans showing the different Sanctuaries. This is the from the Walker storyline.

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Here is some pretty nifty technology that Thanos has at his disposal for cellular regeneration. He could repair injured troops in this manner.

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Here is Thanos during the Infinity storyline arc.

This first scan shows how impressive Thanos's forcefields can be and how he can teleport an entire battlefield away because earth couldnt handle the damage. Keep in mind that Omega was stated as being twice as powerful as Galactus.

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This scan shows us how instrumental Warlock can be in battle with his soul gem.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/20-3.jpg
This scan shows us that that capitalize on Omega's weakness because Thanos hadnt corrected these problems yet and he was only a work in progress. Can you imagine what this guy could do with a years time.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/21-3.jpg

Here Thanos only survives due to his awesome forcefields. It also touches on how prepared Thanos was and is for conflict of this magnitude. Again with a years time and with all his allies and technology I shudder to think about what he would do to Apokolips and Darkseid.

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Here we see that Thanos has a shitload of remote controlled battleships and their entire assault to end this threat. Note that if they wouldnt have separated Omega from his craft he would have used this planets demise as nourishment. Thanos defeats him with his dangerous mind and was in control at all times.

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Here is the Thanos clone's modified Sanctuary.
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Thanos and the Sanctuary he used in Marvel's The End.
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Here is a spying device Thanos had at his disposal that the great Dr. Doom admitted was more sophisticated than his.

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Here is how Thanos deals with testosterone ridden allies wanting to settle things out aboard his spacecraft.

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Here is Thanos' final upgrade along with the restoration of his space armada.

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Sanctuary yet again.
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Here is Thanos approaching Rigel-13 and explaining how its done.

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Here is a foe that has the power to consume whole realities. Thanos knows about him while Galactus refuses to listen and sets him free. Where once again Thanos has to stop him.
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Here is Galactus confronting Thanos but note how impressive Thanos forcefields are in the second scan before you here. Galactus gives him top kudos for having the strongest forcefield hes ever come in to contact with.

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Here two more of Thanos' allies. Skreets and the Fallen One.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/skreetlunatik.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/fallenonethanos.htm

Now here are some scans of these two characters.

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The Fallen One and how he became Thanos' personal herald.

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Pay attention to this scan.

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I wonder how many other characters Thanos could make bend to his will.

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Originally posted by Desaad
There are two parts of this plan that are unfortunate;

Firstly, the fact that Thanos has to expend his resources to conquer and then keep Titan as his base. That is going to take time, planning, and resources all its own, and keeping it as a stronghold against the will of A'lars and the other Titanian Eternals is going to be a bit of a struggle, dividing Thanos' attention.

Darkseid, obviously, isn't going to have that problem what with his absolute rule of Apokolips.

Secondly...Isaac is useless. He helped Thanos' enemies about as much as he did Thanos.

Thanos will have Titan and other options as base. His attention wont be on keeping Titan as with the forces and allies you see it will be easy as pie to keep this base. Dont forget Apokolips is always worried about New Genesis and that will divide Darkseid's attention. You wont really know where Thanos is as there will be clones stationed everywhere to keep Darkseid guessing. Isaac isnt useless he stores vast knowledge and also will only be available to Darkseid's forces if they can get to him which they wont.

Originally posted by Desaad
Hey man, I'm just relaying what the COMICS are saying. If you want to disagree, that is your perogative, but I have in continuity references saying as much.

There are a number of reasons this has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Firstly, they have New God technology to get themselves in, with the help of Barda. Thanos isn't going to get any of that, and Apokolips has snares and forcefields around itself to protect from similar incursions.

Secondly, this is a small, dedicated, powerful force that goes to Apokolips with a single objective; to get Supergirl out of there.

They have one sided prep - Darkseid isn't expecting them, hasn't built any defenses with them in mind, hasn't done anything to prepare at all.

And Thanos doesn't have anyone on his side with the intellect of Batman or the power of Superman. The only way for Thanos to do something similar would be to go in himself, and that basically spells certain death.

Meanwhile, a dedicated force of Iron Man, Thor, Spiderman and a couple of others were able to totally infiltrate Thanos' ship and destroy his big gem when he was trying to destroy all the suns in the universe -- what is to stop a couple of Darkseid's weaker soldiers from doing the same? It seems REAL easy to get to Thanos and snuff him and his out.

The difference is that Darkseid will know that he is coming, and will have a whole year to PREPARE for this.

You just admitted above that we don't know that Darkseid was going to be assasinated by Raker - he might have calmly destroyed him, or been unaffected by the blow to the head (which seems the most likely case). Leaving oneself open to attack may have been a function of the fact that he couldn't really be hurt by any of the combatants.

And the reason he knew that? Because he was intelligent. Because he had a good plan, good intel, and knew everything there was to know about it -- much moreso than Ares, apparently, as Ares was trapped like a bug and apparently had no idea he could have been.

And no matter how "weak" Ares might have been there, he was still on his way to having control of a universal level power, so it is still an extremely impressive tech feat.

And Darkseid was instrumental to the defeat of the Anti-Moniter (Something I believe I neglected to put up in my "tech" section, and will add right now)

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And many other foes as well.

I'm just giving you an example of how impressive Darkseid's technology is.

A small, lifeless, uninhabited planet and war platforms the size of NY State are different animals, of course.

If we are going into personal power, Darkseid threatened to destroy Warworld (the size of Pluto, but made of metal and weapons) with his Omegas. And we've seen that New God technology can destroy suns, so...

Thanos has made note of the fact that he doesn't want to get involved with the Hulk, and Iron Man has gotten the better of Thanos before as well, as have Captain Mar-Vell and Adam Warlock.

It happens. It is the nature of being a villain.

Huh? Desaad gave Byrne Superman a good tussel, and has his source gun banishment, but he's never been a physical power house. The troops have more physical power than he does...he works solely through his works as an artificer of war weapons.

He doesn't have to physically engage anyone to be dangerous. Indeed, Darkseid would never use him that way.

The fact that he gave this armor to a mere earthing says a lot about how little he cared about it, what little power it represented to him. Perhaps he would manufacture in en mass, perhaps not. But its still an extremely impressive piece of equipment to just give away, more impressive than any armor I know of Thanos building.

To be clear, I'm not saying that Aurakles specifically is going to be an ally of Darkseid; he was created by New Genesis, not Apokolips, and is a force for good. Yes, Darkseid did "own" him in Seven Soldiers, but I never saw him do his bidding, so it seems unlikely that he would do so here.

I'm just showing an example of the kind of power and technology the New Gods have, what they are capable of creating.

And if this were about Thanos fighting specifically, I'd agree it wouldn't do much. But this is about Darkseid and Thanos' FORCES at work, and you haven't brought to the table anyone who wouldn't be felled by an atom bomb to the face.

If you can get past his defenses, sure.

But apparently you don't think its much of a disadvantage, since you gave Thanos the staging area of Titan, despite the massive resource and time cost this would take.

Yes.

But stronger than anyone that Thanos has working for him that you have thus far demonstrated.

Scarecrow was using Desaad's technology.

Thanos has Adam Warlock at his side here and he is phenomenal with prep. So I guess you are wrong on this one and oh yeah the clones who have his keen planning and strategic minds. The man can clone himself.

Thanos still beat down the opposition after they destroyed his gem. He already adapted and was going to use the soul gem to snuff out our sun. Like all villains even though he beats them he doesnt kill them. The difference my friend is that with Raker, Darkseid was at his mercy and was saved by the Guardians interference. Darkseid did not land one offensive blow in and was looking horrible. Thanos got himself out of the situation and beat down the competition while Darkseid was saved by the bell so to speak.

Yes Desaad did give a weaker Superman a good tussle but lost nonetheless and I know he isnt used at Darkseid's muscle but instead is a planner alongside Darkseid. I just wanted to point out that Desaad is no powerhouse.

The armor is impressive but how about a Thanos clone or Omega and then that piece of armor you are bragging about looks like a piece of junk.

I see what you are trying to say with Aurakles. It is understood.

We have already discussed the Ares and Darkseid both going after the godwave thing over and over. Bottom line is one got it while the other had to stop him once he acquired it.

Darkseid did help stop the Anti Monitor but also need Alex Luthors energy specifically to injure Anti Monitor. So while it is impressive without Luthor it would have been useless. The Spectre and practically everyone helped against the Anti Monitor.

I am sure Thanos could cause a mass explosion on Apokolips once he started sending his forces in there. He teleports people,battlefields, and I am sure tech to and from his spacecraft with ease. The benefit I have going for me is that I have Thanos clones and robots so you wont know where Mr. T is at. I know exactly where Darkseid is at all times.

Scarecrow and Desaad worked together to brainwash Superman. Thus it is a shared feat.

Now it is really time to send in the clones. Really Darkseid is in for it once you see some of Thanos' clones and the clones' allies here. This is part 1 in attack of the clones.

This clone was seen in Kazar.
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Ok now the second clone I want to show you met Thor and had a little battle with Asgard. He also has the very powerful Mangog as an ally.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-523-021-13.jpg
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This third clone that I am going to show you was involved in the Avengers Celestial Quest story. I already touched on his modified Sanctuary earlier. Out of these three clones this Thanos definitely seemed the most powerful.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest01-2223.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest02-03.jpg
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His plans of course are so grand in scope that Eternity,Mistress Death,Chaos and Order are present and involved in this story.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest02-1617.jpg

Here Thanos gives away and grants godlike powers.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest03-19.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest03-20.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest03-21.jpg

Imagine how many godlike powers he could give out in this manner. He would have to extinguish lifeforces to do this but wow just think of the possibilities.

Here are two more of Thanos' allies Reptyl the god and Primo.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest04-05.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest04-06.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengers-CelestialQuest04-17.jpg