Originally posted by DesaadCronus took steps to make sure he had more worshipers. To me it makes it both a prep and a power feat.
Uh, this had nothing to do with intelligence.In the DC Universe, more worshipers for a god means more power for that God. This is made ABUNDANTLY clear, recently, with the whole Athena/Ares/Aphrodite power level comparison to Zues.
Cronus having more worshipers is precisely what gave him the win here, as you yourself admit, and thus this is a power feat.
What planning, exactly, are you referring to? The whole conflict consists of Cronus coming in with his Gods, fighting the each god one on one, and winning through pure power superiority.
If you're dismissing this due to a lack of similar circumstances, virtually all of your examples no longer hold credence in relation to Darkseid's bad showings. Every example you have brought up refers to one sided prep or a surprise attack.
Conquering New Genesis is only one part of his plan, a small piece.
He already had the chance, and didn't.
He and all of New Genesis, yes.
Izaya is dead, and New Genesis is STILL keeping Apokolips in check. Hardly the center of things that you are painting him to be.
So the whole point of this argument is that an equally powerful, equally advanced, equally intelligent planet is able to stalemate Darkseid and Apokolips?
No disagreement.
I ALSO don't think Thanos is going to stand a chance against New Genesis, of course.
Darkseid stopped him cold on his own, with his own technology, due to his own plans.
Don't try to spread the wealth of credit.
In the same way that Thanos failed during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, and the Cosmic Cube saga, and the Soul Gem debacle, yes. All of those were big failures for Thanos, as he ultimately failed to achieve his desire.
Magus makes it clear that he is going to kill Thanos, and that he is more powerful than Thanos. As the champion of life, it was always his duty to defeat, forever, the Champion of Death - Thanos.
That being the case, Thanos is as likely - more likely, going by Thanos' love of physical confrontation - to get himself killed in the heat of battle, and to leave himself open to attacks.
Are you referring to the Cosmic Cube saga? I don't recall Kronos or Lord Chaos/Master Order having anything to do with the Soul Gem stuff.
Of course cosmics are going to align to stop Thanos when he's got a big cosmic artifact at his command. Hardly evidence of his prep skill.
Same, I suppose, as some god coming from out of nowhere to steal your power and take advantage of your plans.
Of course, Darkseid still managed a way to salvage that one. 🙂
Ok with regards to Darkseid and his stalemate with New Genesis. You are correct that it doesnt matter who rules New Genesis basically because Darkseid even though they are virtually equal cant lead his side over the other side it seems no matter who the leader is. So to me that makes two leaders wit equal forces that Darkseid couldnt defeat.
Please dont tell me you think Thanos would struggle with New Genesis. His clone almost conquered Asgard. His clone and imagine what Thanos could do is this was his life's mission. The reason Thanos has changed as a character because he has accomplished his goals while Darkseid is still out there seeking to conquer New Genesis and subjugate the universe to his rule.
Darkseid also had help stopping Ares. He stopped him on his own but thats not how they defeated him. Darkseid needed other help to actually defeat him but on his own he froze him.
Thanos did fail in ig and all the other sagas but accomplished godhood in the end and righted the universe at the end. So he indeed didnt fail there but actually got to whip the universe's ass and then he was the only being who could fix it let alone handle that kind of awesome power.
Magus makes it clear he wants to kill Thanos but did he,nope. Thanos at his weakest held him off and put together the steps in order to defeat the Magus. The champion of death won. So really yes he left himself open for defeat but handled himself nicely and didnt need anyone to stop the battle. The difference is Thanos interceded because he had to while Darkseid being overconfident was picked off in the field of battle due to carelessness.
Lord Chaos and Master Order both knew in the synthetic gem story that Warlock was needed and that Spiderman had to buy them the time for all this to play out. Thanos not only beat down the competition but someone had to return in spirit form that he previously killed to put him down.
Thanos has had allies outside of stories with artifacts of power. Hes damn good at prep and when he talks all listen. He is a really powerful and convincing manipulator.
