Phoenix Respect Thread Remastered. (V. 20)

Started by Sundipped9 pages

Gladiator vs PF Cyclops/Colossus

Glads sustains a decent fight against a restrained Scott untill PF Colossus basically 1 shots him. Retribution for that shot on the first page??mmm

It was over after that 1 punch.

^ BTW That was Wolverine and the x men#13

AvX:VS#4

PF Emma Frost vs Thor

This fight just solidifies the power advantage the PF has over Thor. Even after smashing Emmas diamond form he gets stomped.

AvX#8

PF Namor vs Avengers

Sick of Scott being stagnant in his approach, Namor takes it to the Avengers himself. He takes shots from Iron Fist/Cap/Thing/Rulk/ & Thor (twice). No damage was done at all.

PF Namor vs Scarlett Witch pt. 2

It's not clear if Wanda forces the Phoenix out of Namor but it ends in a double ko.

Namors' Phoenix amp leaves and drifts into the remaining four members. They instantly feel the upgrade.

Logically, this means that the remaining four have more individual power than the original five. Only 1/5 of the power was considered at least low trans level based on feats.

wow team phoenix force ain't no joke they are owning 🤘

AvX#9

PF Colossus/Magik vs Avengers

The Avengers set out to rescue those who have been captured and run into Colossus and Magik. Spidey takes a brutal beating from a holding back Piotr.

It is this holding back of power which brings Magik and Colossus into conflict resulting in the both of them knocking each other out.

^ Also Iron fist states that Scott ripped into the dimension of K'un-L'un to find Hope after their whereabouts were revealed by Emma. Emma telepathically scaned every mind on Earth to find out btw.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It is this holding back of power which brings Magik and Colossus into conflict resulting in the both of them knocking each other out.

^ Also Iron fist states that Scott ripped into the dimension of K'un-L'un to find Hope after their whereabouts were revealed by Emma. Emma telepathically scaned every mind on Earth to find out btw.


Not "dimension" . "Dimensions" .

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I don't think he means it in the plural sense as you do. More like in the sense of this is what happens anytime a (only 1) dimension is ripped. Unless it's some kind of effect that occurs when multiple dimensions are being ripped upon entering in succession and IF has witnessed it before, which I doubt.

Originally posted by Sundipped
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I don't think he means it in the plural sense as you do. More like in the sense of this is what happens anytime a (only 1) dimension is ripped. Unless it's some kind of effect that occurs when multiple dimensions are being ripped upon entering in succession and IF has witnessed it before, which I doubt.

When the last time it happened , did Iron Fist refer it as a "a(single) dimesion" being ripped ?

Otherwise I am going exactly by what the on-panel illustrative tells us . And it clearly mentions "dimensions" , not "dimension" .

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The statement was spoken in general terms. There is no other time (tmk) that IF has ever witnessed nor referenced someone tearing through multiple dimensions. Scott was not lost & just bouncing from dimension to dimension. Even if he did, how would IF know? He went straight from the Earth 616 plane to K'un L'un.

Originally posted by Sundipped
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The statement was spoken in general terms. There is no other time (tmk) that IF has ever witnessed nor referenced someone tearing through multiple dimensions. Scott was not lost & just bouncing from dimension to dimension. Even if he did, how would IF know? He went straight from the Earth 616 plane to K'un L'un.

Does it matter here whether or not Iron Fist witnessed someone crashing into K'un L'un's realm ? He clearly mentions "dimensions" , not "dimension" .

How do you know that it was a generic statement ? Burden of proof is on you .

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Seems to be a case of you overanalyzing again.
Can't you see the comment was ambigious? disgust

I can say "that's how it looks when someone tears cardboard boxes" in relation to someone actually tearing a (singular) cardboard box. Doesn't mean that person actually tore more than that 1 cardboard box.

Combine that with the fact IF has never referenced or seen anything like Scott or any other being visibly tearing through more than 1 dimension at a time, (seems like something like that would've been noted in more detail) then how can you figure it was more than 1? All it takes is a little common sense.

Anyway no need to spam this thread with something so simple. If you still fail to comprehend this then we can take the discussion elsewhere.

Originally posted by Sundipped
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Seems to be a case of you overanalyzing again.
Can't you see the comment was ambigious? disgust

I can say "that's how it looks when someone tears cardboard boxes" in relation to someone actually tearing a [B](singular) cardboard box. Doesn't mean that person actually tore more than that 1 cardboard box.

Combine that with the fact IF has never referenced or seen anything like Scott or any other being visibly tearing through more than 1 dimension at a time, (seems like something like that would've been noted in more detail) then how can you figure it was more than 1? All it takes is a little common sense.

Anyway no need to spam this thread with something so simple. If you still fail to comprehend this then we can take the discussion elsewhere. [/B]


First you state that it was a generic statement , now you claim that its ambiguous . Make up your mind already as to what it is . Generic ? Or ambiguous ?

Again , if only a single dimension was being referenced then , it wouldn't have been written in a plural format .

So , if Thanos says that the Ultimate Nullifier is capable of destroying universes , then that should mean that he is onlhy referring to a single universe , because he has never seen it being used in such a fashion , right ?

The on-panel evidence very clearly tells us it was "dimensions" being torn through . You can speculate all you want , but at the end of the day you're the one claiming that only it was referenced in singular format . As I said before , burden of proof is on you , for making such a positive claim .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
First you state that it was a generic statement , now you claim that its ambiguous . Make up your mind already as to what it is . Generic ? Or ambiguous ?
Again , if only a single dimension was being referenced then , it wouldn't have been written in a plural format .

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I never said generic. That's what you assumed. I said general, meaning the phrase was vague and could possibly have a broader meaning & ambigious, meaning this phrase can be open to more than one interpretation.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So , if Thanos says that the Ultimate Nullifier is capable of destroying universes , then that should mean that he is onlhy referring to a single universe , because he has never seen it being used in such a fashion , right ?

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Horrible analogy. The context is not even the same. I figured you wouldn't get the example I made earlier.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The on-panel evidence very clearly tells us it was "dimension[b]s" being torn through . You can speculate all you want , but at the end of the day you're the one claiming that only it was referenced in singular format . As I said before , burden of proof is on you , for making such a positive claim . [/B]

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There is no speculation and there is no "burden of proof" on me to make my claim. Only moderate comprehension in the context of the English language is needed. Now stop spamming the thread.

Originally posted by Sundipped
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I never said generic. That's what you assumed. I said general, meaning the phrase was vague and could possibly have a broader meaning & ambigious, meaning this phrase can be open to more than one interpretation.

"Generic" and "general" are synonyms .

Originally posted by Sundipped

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Horrible analogy. The context is not even the same. I figured you wouldn't get the example I made earlier.

Explain how .

Originally posted by Sundipped

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There is no speculation and there is no "burden of proof" on me to make my claim. Only moderate comprehension in the context of the English language is needed. Now stop spamming the thread.

Yes , there is . You're the one who's trying to twist an on-panel statement by a character into something its not . On-panel , the term "dimensions" is mentioned , not "dimension" .

You're making a positive claim , so the burden of proof is on you to prove said claim .

^ You can keep that 1 track mind. And I'll stick to using basic common sense + keeping an open mind.

I'm not in the mood to verse you in the many different contexts of words in English language. Get back at me after you've taken up some Language Arts courses.

In the meantime try not to get reported again for spaming respect threads. You're really testing my patience.

New Avengers 27

According to legend, the PF had a tangle with Shao Lao centuries ago. It wasn't shown to be defeated but only distracted until the predecessor of Hope, (Fongyi) was able to bond with it.