Originally posted by nimbus006That only applies to a kayo. Not bruises, cuts, etc.
Durability can be loosely be defined as how resistant one is to punishment, right? Would you not say when your defenseless you are less resistant to an assault than when your prepared and actually defending yourself.
Let's be honest here. Herc was taking a pounding yet even after that we could have easily continued fighting the Hulk and only had some minor wounds. That does say a lot.
Colossus after his only direct confrontation with Hulk had his hands and arms broken and realistically could no longer fight.
I mean this was Colossus' chance to finally show how much he has grown and become stronger and the writers basically kept him a low-tier brick.
Another thing, just because your face is smashed up doesn't mean you do not have good durability. If you keep fighting and take the punishment you still are very durable. For example, just cuz i bruise easier than someone doesn't mean that person is more durable than i am. Your ability to last determines your durability. The reason Colossus doesn't bruise as easily is cuz he's freakin made out of metal.
Originally posted by Newjak
Let's be honest here. Herc was taking a pounding yet even after that we could have easily continued fighting the Hulk and only had some minor wounds. That does say a lot.Colossus after his only direct confrontation with Hulk had his hands and arms broken and realistically could no longer fight.
I mean this was Colossus' chance to finally show how much he has grown and become stronger and the writers basically kept him a low-tier brick.
Thats exactly right. I just made a similiar point right after you.
Originally posted by Newjak
Let's be honest here. Herc was taking a pounding yet even after that we could have easily continued fighting the Hulk and only had some minor wounds. That does say a lot.Colossus after his only direct confrontation with Hulk had his hands and arms broken and realistically could no longer fight.
I mean this was Colossus' chance to finally show how much he has grown and become stronger and the writers basically kept him a low-tier brick.
And that is Colossus character in a nut shell, whenever writers get a chance to show how strong his powers have gotten they usually right him off a a low tier instead of a true class 100, Luke Cage would be a better fight for Colossus instead of a beast like Herc
Originally posted by nimbus006
I don't think your understanding what Im trying to say. The reason Hercules face was so batterred was b/c he wasn't really fighting back. He was letting himself be hit. When your fighting back adrenaline does amp your durability. It can make blows feel less impactful, and help you keep fighting. Moreover, when your fighting back you can maneuver and position yourself in order to avoid direct shots. In Hercs case he was just standing there without either of these two factors helping him.
No, I understand exactly what you're saying. It's just absurd.
Regardless of the fact that Herc wasn't fighting back (even though he did briefly, so I think he knew to expect retaliation), I REALLY doubt he wanted to get thrashed the way he did. Not fighting back is NOT synonomous with wanting to get your ass beat.
And if I remember correctly, even though Colossus was fighting back, he didn't seem take any less punishment from Hulk.
Oh, and also? Adrenaline wouldn't do a thing to increase durabilty. It DOES increase your ability to stay in a fight, to not feel the pain as much and to push through it. It DOES NOT increase durability.
Originally posted by nimbus006
Yea i do, but having your arms broken is still a knock on ones durability. I could say Hulk did not attempt to pound Colossus face in as he did to Herc which is why his face didnt recieive as much punishment as Hercs.
Didn't Colossus get punched in the face a few/several times by Hulk? Besides, his arms weren't broken. They were bent. He is made of metal, afterall. And Hulk was much stronger than him. Hulk could've easily snapped Herc's arms with the strength he had during WWH.
Originally posted by nimbus006
Durability can be loosely be defined as how resistant one is to punishment, right? Would you not say when your defenseless you are less resistant to an assault than when your prepared and actually defending yourself.
Honestly? That really depends. But for the most part? No, not really. I can be prepared for a knife-stab to the stomach but take no less damage from it than if I was not prepared for it. I can be prepared for a punch to the nose but still have it broken the same way as if I was not prepared for it.
So really, no. The durability remains the same, in my opinion.
Originally posted by nimbus006
Another thing, just because your face is smashed up doesn't mean you do not have good durability. If you keep fighting and take the punishment you still are very durable. For example, just cuz i bruise easier than someone doesn't mean that person is more durable than i am. Your ability to last determines your durability. The reason Colossus doesn't bruise as easily is cuz he's freakin made out of metal.
If I recall correctly, wasn't Herc's lasting power diminishing with every punch? I mean, he could barely speak after that last punch. To me, that shows a decrease in lasting ability due to extreme punishment.
And if the ability to last determines durability, then Colossus has yet another advantage: infinite stamina. Not only does he not get tired, but he doesn't need to breathe, eat, or drink to stay alive. He is perpetually sustained while transformed. PLUS, he was still ready to fight the Hulk even after his hands were crushed. He wasn't backing down, so he obviously still felt that he had some chance to at least stall the Hulk (note: I said "stall" and not "hold his own against"😉. If that's not lasting power, I dunno what is.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
If I recall correctly, wasn't Herc's lasting power diminishing with every punch? I mean, he could barely speak after that last punch. To me, that shows a decrease in lasting ability due to extreme punishment.And if the ability to last determines durability, then Colossus has yet another advantage: infinite stamina. Not only does he not get tired, but he doesn't need to breathe, eat, or drink to stay alive. He is perpetually sustained while transformed. PLUS, he was still ready to fight the Hulk even after his hands were crushed. He wasn't backing down, so he obviously still felt that he had some chance to at least stall the Hulk (note: I said "stall" and not "hold his own against"😉. If that's not lasting power, I dunno what is.
I have no argument with you there. Again, im not saying Herc is more durable, infact i believe if you tied both up and let the Hulk pound them both, Colossus probably would outlast Herc. I just dont think the comparisons we're using are fair enough to determine this debate. The situations were completely different.
Like you said, Hulk could of probably bent Hercs arms just as easily as he did to Colossus. However, in that particular situation he did not attempt to do so.
No offense but colossus stamina is no match to hercules. The difference between hercules and colossus stamina maybe be even greater to the difference between their strength. Hercules stamina is virtually infinte meaning he can fight at peek level for months and maybe even years without getting tire. Hercules is tireless because his body produce no latic acid. And hercules being immortal means he also does not require to eat and drink to survive he can even survive in the vaccum of space without life support for some time.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
The big problem is that Colossus does not have nearly as many showings as many other powerhouses, which is a real disappointment really.But if you want a recent example, we can use the World War Hulk instances. You remember Herc's face after only a few punches from Hulk? Horribly bloody and bruised. And now remember Colossus after getting knocked around by Hulk? Unless my memory is shot, Colossus had no damaging marks to show for it, save for the crushed hands.
Colossus can also take 50 caliber bullets to his EYES without even a scratch. He's also immune to a few forms of magic, all sorts of radiation, electricution, energy projection, extremely high temperatures, etc., etc.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm guessing you never saw how bad he was messed up by riptide and pyro. 🙄
Sure have. But my apologies though, I should have clarified my statement. I meant to say that in terms of physical MELEE attacks against Colossus. Can you think of something that has really done any real, lasting damage to him (save for the recent WWHulk appearance)? Because I can't.
I'm guessing you never saw how Colossus was upgraded after the Riptide fiasco and effortlessly walked through a barrage of projectiles only to snap Riptide's neck. 😉