Originally posted by Mr Master
Under Claremonts watchful eye?I agree. 🙂
But according to her historical make-up,
Roma is an immortal powerhouse who can toy with the Timestream as she sees fit.
Re-create planetary systems, and life with souls,
transcend all planes of reality,
and she can even animate her self image across Universes to interact as need be.
And nothing there makes her more durable than an average human.
What has Fury ever done that would make him be able to annihilate Galactus... with ease none-the-less? Stand up to a reality warper (who, by all rights is powerful, but that's not Galactus's style), teleport, stand up to powerful destruction?
Just because Jaspers is powerful, that doesn't mean that anyone who beats him a certain way, is going to defeat Galactus.
Curiosity is all.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
What has Fury ever done that would make him be able to annihilate Galactus... with ease none-the-less? Stand up to a reality warper (who, by all rights is powerful, but that's not Galactus's style), teleport, stand up to powerful destruction?Just because Jaspers is powerful, that doesn't mean that anyone who beats him a certain way, is going to defeat Galactus.
Curiosity is all.
I have been wondering this to Mr Slippyfist, it smells a bit like ABC logic
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well I think Fury survived the destruction of the universe.
It survived the destruction of a universe but if it haven't absorbed the size of a cave in the 616 according to master on page 1 the 616 Jaspers reality warp on it would have killed it, so a single warp from jaspers > Nullification from the CN... apparently
Originally posted by Mr Master
But seriously,
I'm still not sure any of these cats have the same power level as the originals anyway,
or if it's even really them:"One wears the Face & Form & memories of James Jaspers,
his companions wear the Form ... of the entity called Fury,[B]Neither of them is precisely what they seem
,but that revelation is for another time"
This little detail was also left undisclosed.
[/B]
Which issue was that in?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And nothing there makes her more durable than an average human.
Or we can also look at her durability during HOM,
when the Chaos Wave swept through the dimensional walls of Otherworld,
it was a direct hit on the Starlight Citidel: (which contains a near-Multiverse withIN)
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When this happened, the Starlight Citidel was smashed down,
this caused all the UniverseS withIN the Citidel to amalgamate,
and resurrect Jaspers:
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Roma was ko'd for a few seconds,
but as we can see, Roma regains consciousness quickly:
She also has the entire upper level of the Citidel on top of her:
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Next page, Roma's perfectly fine, and giving orders again.
I have several other examples
but these are very good durability showings.
Merlin was also unable to recover completely
from his knife wound on his ankle (in book #4)
This wound is still fresh at the end of Book #5:
but Merlin can reform instantly to perfection
after Jaspers blows his entire torso & back out. (in book #1)
That's some dumb shit imo SC.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which issue was that in?
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
What has Fury ever done that would make him be able to annihilate Galactus...
Went toe to toe, survived and defeated a being who's power is beyond nullifiers.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
with ease none-the-less?
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Stand up to a reality warper
(who, by all rights is powerful, but that's not Galactus's style),
teleport, stand up to powerful destruction?
"Style?" ... Jaspers tried to alter reality, but Fury was simply unaffected,
so Jaspers turned it into a hand to hand combat,
in this manner, Jaspers was able to weaken the Fury with sheer brute force.
Remember, Jaspers can make himself as strong as he wants withIN his warp.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Just because Jaspers is powerful,
that doesn't mean that anyone who beats him a certain way,
is going to defeat Galactus.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Curiosity is all.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I have been wondering this to Mr Slippyfist, it smells a bit like ABC logic
Originally posted by Utrigita
It survived the destruction of a universe but if it haven't absorbed the size of a cave in the 616 according to master on page 1 the 616 Jaspers reality warp on it would have killed it, so a single warp from jaspers > Nullification from the CN... apparently
Jaspers was no joke fellas. ✅
Originally posted by guy222
and was stopped by blink
Anyone who knows Blink's powerset, (and the damage potential of her Quills)
would know what she did isn't plausible.
Unless of course, that wasn't the real Fury or Jaspers. 🙂
Well, atleast Jaspers seemed like Jaspers,
but this Claremont Fury is a joke.
So yea guy I agree, Blink took out Claremont's Fury.
But obviously Moore's Fury is a whole different story
Originally posted by Mr Master
Survive the nullification of Time/Space (unharmed) which Galactus himself fears.Went toe to toe, survived and defeated a being who's power is beyond nullifiers.
A being that would have killed him one the spot if he hadn't absorbed the Computer the switches from The moon to the ocean floor and then to the sun would have killed it.
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mjj44ln4.jpg
I'll elaborate, Fury would definitely have to go through his pattern,
fight, test, adapt and learn how to win.[/B]
But it needs a lot of time to figure out a way to defeat MJJ none the less and the battle wore it down.
One of the top 3 most powerful Reality warpers ever."Style?" ... Jaspers tried to alter reality, but Fury was simply unaffected,
so Jaspers turned it into a hand to hand combat,
in this manner, Jaspers was able to weaken the Fury with sheer brute force.[/B]
Unaffected, it was turned into a ball before it adapted and It didn't change it form until they where back in 238 where MJJ had no reality to warp thus IMO no way to keep fury in that form.
Remember, Jaspers can make himself as strong as he wants withIN his warp.[/B]
And he was teleported outside his warp during there fights by fury wasn't he???
It's not only that though,
normal Galactus simply would not be able hurt classic Fury imo.
So Fury has all day to adapt and figure a way to win.
Fury's blasts are ridiculously powerful too,
even Matrix/Merlyn got his hands burned by a Fury blast.[/B]
He could hammer on it just like MJJ did, and MJJ had just "one" power that was to warp reality Galactus has the PC and can produce a number of effects against it. And I have no idea about the durability of Merlyn.
Respected friend. 🙂[/B]
I apparently isn't 🙁
I disagree.[/B]
It's okay 🙂
Correct. 616 Jaspers' warp > nullifiers of Time/Space.[/B]
So it would seem yes and that looks a bit odd IMO.
Jaspers was no joke fellas. ✅ [/B]
We know Jaspers was no joke, but fury itself is like you said a plot device that only managed to defeat MJJ because of it having gained control over a computer the size of a cave and had the ability to resist the warp because of that els it wouldn't have stood a chance against MJJ.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI think U answered this... don't know, but there's no point in two people debating it.
Survive the nullification of Time/Space (unharmed) which Galactus himself fears.Went toe to toe, survived and defeated a being who's power is beyond nullifiers.
I'll elaborate, Fury would definitely have to go through his pattern,
fight, test, adapt and learn how to win.One of the top 3 most powerful Reality warpers ever.
"Style?" ... Jaspers tried to alter reality, but Fury was simply unaffected,
so Jaspers turned it into a hand to hand combat,
in this manner, Jaspers was able to weaken the Fury with sheer brute force.Remember, Jaspers can make himself as strong as he wants withIN his warp.
It's not only that though,
normal Galactus simply would not be able hurt classic Fury imo.
So Fury has all day to adapt and figure a way to win.
Fury's blasts are ridiculously powerful too,
even Matrix/Merlyn got his hands burned by a Fury blast.
Although... because his durability might be extremely high, that would make him be able to easily annihilate Galactus?
And of course, Jaspers did make his strength as high as he wanted... because he can... ermm
So, if it would take him all day to beat Galactus... how exactly is that easily annihilating Galactus?
Originally posted by Utrigita
A being that would have killed him one the spot if he hadn't absorbed the Computer the switches from The moon to the ocean floor and then to the sun would have killed it.
btw. I don't see the point of the scan Ut.
Bottomline:
Even without the CPU, Fury is still far more durable than Galactus. 🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
But it needs a lot of time to figure out a way to defeat MJJ
none the less and the battle wore it down.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Unaffected,
Originally posted by Utrigita
it was turned into a ball before it adapted and It didn't change it form until they where back in 238 where MJJ had no reality to warp thus IMO no way to keep fury in that form.
And you're incorrect about Jaspers keeping Fury warped through out the fight,
Fury was shapeshifting on his own,
it had nothing to do with Jaspers after the "ball" incident.
In fact, they were both shapeshifting into creature-like beings,
while they battled hand to hand.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And he was teleported outside his warp during there fights by fury wasn't he???
Originally posted by Utrigita
He could hammer on it just like MJJ did
Galactus is not 616 Jaspers ... not even close.
Originally posted by Utrigita
and MJJ had just "one" power that was to warp reality
Galactus has the PC and can produce a number of effects against it.
PC is a joke in comparison.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And I have no idea about the durability of Merlyn.
Originally posted by Utrigita
So it would seem yes and that looks a bit odd IMO.
Originally posted by Utrigita
We know Jaspers was no joke,
but fury itself is like you said a plot device that only managed to defeat MJJ
because of it having gained control over a computer the size of a cave and had the ability to resist the warp because of that els it wouldn't have stood a chance against MJJ.
While it's true, Fury was Jaspers' plot device to lose,
the Fury was a monster in it's own right.
Let's not overlook the Fact,
that Fury withOUT the CPU,
withstood the Nullification of all Time/Space of it's native Universe,
and withstood 238 Jaspers' warp
(which completely engulfed everything (concepts and all) in Reality 238)
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I think U answered this... don't know
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
but there's no point in two people debating it.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Although... because his durability might be extremely high,
that would make him be able to easily annihilate Galactus?
Fury would definitely have to follow his common pattern,
fight, test, adapt, and thus learn how to win.
So I recant my staement, it shouldn't be easily,
it should take work, but with the same end result,
Fury winning somehow.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And of course, Jaspers did make his strength as high as he wanted... because he can...
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So, if it would take him all day to beat Galactus...
how exactly is that easily annihilating Galactus?
And again, it wouldn't be "easily" but imo,
based on the real Fury's showings,
confirmed statements by other cats in the classic arc,
and the Fury's and Jaspers' bios,
Fury can defeat Galactus level beings, perhaps not easily, but imo definitely.
Originally posted by Mr Master
What difference does it make?
Fury still withstood a Nullifier, without absorbing the CPU.
Fury also withstood 238 Jaspers' warp (which engulfed the entire 238 Universe)
Time/Space everything was taken over by 238 Jaspers' warp,
including 238 Galactus I'm sure, since the entire Reality was warped.btw. I don't see the point of the scan Ut.
Bottomline:
Even without the CPU, Fury is still far more durable than Galactus. 🙂
The point of the scan is to show you that Fury could be killed harmed and destroyed by something far less then a universal nullification. The Switz's between the moon the ocean floor and the sun.
Well I'm not surprised, classic Jaspers was a "god" destined to reform the Omniverse,
it would've been silly for Fury to win easily.
Agreed.
Yes. According to Fury's bio, Fury was immune to both Jaspers' warps.
Well to my knowledge 238 Jaspers never tried to warp Fury did he???
Not quite friend.
Fury was warped into a ball,
and then Fury shapeshifted out of it in an instant. (hence the immunity)
Thus he was also at that point of time vulnerable to reality warping hence my reasons for saying above that 238 Jaspers most likely never warped him.
And you're incorrect about Jaspers keeping Fury warped through out the fight,
Fury was shapeshifting on his own,
it had nothing to do with Jaspers after the "ball" incident.
He was the ball of the entire fight was he not??? I doesn't see him taking another form sure I see the spikes and so forth but I doesn't see him change back to his old self before they are located in the 238 dimension.
In fact, they were both shapeshifting into creature-like beings,
while they battled hand to hand.
Jaspers was changing.
Yes. Because Fury was immune to his warp.
Became Immune, IMO.
While Fury just stands there and takes the punishment right? ❌
I didn't say that Fury wouldn't attack too.
Galactus is not 616 Jaspers ... not even close.
I'm not disagreeing on this I'm disagreeing on the fact that because fury toke down MJJ apparently he is capable of taking down practically everyone below MJJ. That's the impression I'm being given about Fury.
Warping Reality is the ultimate power,
one only needs this ability to be able to do anything.
(after that, it's just a matter of scale)
Well what did we see Jaspers use against him other then pure physical attacks nothing no energy blast he didn't even try and so forth.
PC is a joke in comparison.
Perhaps but Reality warping is within the abilities for a user of the PC.
Matrix/Merlyn? god-like.
God Like Durability. Just like they showed in the recent comic 😛 but on another note based on what???
I don't see why.
You don't think that it is strange that nullification is below MJJ wave of his hand??? and that fury survived nullification but would be killed by having the environment around him changed???
I agree and disagree.While it's true, Fury was Jaspers' plot device to lose,
the Fury was a monster in it's own right.Let's not overlook the Fact,
that Fury withOUT the CPU,
withstood the Nullification of all Time/Space of it's native Universe,
and withstood 238 Jaspers' warp
(which completely engulfed everything (concepts and all) in Reality 238)
And would have been killed by changing the battle ground 😬 I find the durability very inconsistent.
