Fury Runs Gauntlet

Originally posted by Utrigita
The point of the scan is to show you that Fury could be killed harmed and destroyed by something far less then a universal nullification. The Switz's between the moon the ocean floor and the sun.

The only damage Fury was receiving was from Jaspers in that entire battle.
Those are just locations that the Fury itself teleported Jaspers onto.
Why would the Fury bfr itself into the Sun, if the Sun could hurt it?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Well to my knowledge 238 Jaspers never tried to warp Fury did he???

Originally posted by Utrigita
Thus he was also at that point of time vulnerable to reality warping hence my reasons for saying above that 238 Jaspers most likely never warped him.

Originally posted by Utrigita
He was the ball of the entire fight was he not??? I doesn't see him taking another form sure I see the spikes and so forth but I doesn't see him change back to his old self before they are located in the 238 dimension.

Again, Marvel has already established it as fact,
that Fury was immune to Jaspers' 616 warping after Fury absorbed the cpu.
Fury was also immune to 238 Jaspers' warp withOUT the need of the cpu.
That's on panel and confirmed in the bio,
arguing against that specific point is futile.

In the battle, Fury simply decided to fight in that form,
it had nothing to do with vulnerability.
Fury was able to teleport across UniverseS good friend,
while battling a "god" to the death.

Vulnerable? Nah. 🙂

Now the physical attacks did damage Fury, but not the warp.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Jaspers was changing.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Became Immune, IMO.

Certain things can be left as opinions, others are simply fact.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm not disagreeing on this I'm disagreeing on the fact that because fury toke down MJJ apparently he is capable of taking down practically everyone below MJJ. That's the impression I'm being given about Fury.

Even if it's back up neuro processor was to malfuntion due to damage,
Fury can either rebuild that one, or build another completely new one within itself.

Or shut down it's unit totaly therefore relying only on instinct.
(he did this when Fascination/Scatterbrain expanded the Fury's "brain" across the Omniverse in an instant ...
Fury resisted it, and owned her)
And that's another incredible durability feat btw. 👆

Originally posted by Utrigita
Well what did we see Jaspers use against him other then pure physical attacks nothing no energy blast he didn't even try and so forth.

Jaspers' warp is the most powerful force Jaspers can bring concerning energy.
If a weapon that can re-arrange Reality completely doesn't work,
it's more than likely that blasts (of any kind) wouldn't make any difference.

This is why Moore put them in a physical duel.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Perhaps but Reality warping is within the abilities for a user of the PC.

Reality warping >>> Matter manipulation.

Originally posted by Utrigita
God Like Durability. Just like they showed in the recent comic

Originally posted by Utrigita
but on another note based on what???

Originally posted by Utrigita
You don't think that it is strange that nullification is below MJJ wave of his hand??? and that fury survived nullification but would be killed by having the environment around him changed???

You interpreted that bit incorrectly good friend.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And would have been killed by changing the battle ground
I find the durability very inconsistent.

Fury was never damaged by any environment,
for it was Fury itself taking Jaspers into those environments.
Fury is far from stupid, it wouldn't do that if it could be damaged by said environments.

What do you think "Switch" means everytime the scene changes?

That's a "sound effect" to note Fury teleporting. 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
I find the durability very inconsistent.

Originally posted by Galan007
As do I...

*edit* I reviewed the saga to complete my debate with Ut.
I didn't find any inconsistencies, letalone a "very inconsistent" depiction,
but I'm interested in finding out to what you're referring too, good friend.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You have any examples concerning the original arcs?

In Fury's 'original' form [ie. before it absorbed the cave-computer], it could survive Universal nullification -- and easily at that...

Yet it was ultimately taken down like this?:

I understand how weak Fury was at that point -- but it's still ridiculous, imo. 👇

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes.

In Fury's 'original' form [ie. before it absorbed the cave-computer], it could survive Universal nullification -- and easily at that...

Yet it was ultimately taken down like this?

Originally posted by Galan007

I understand how weak Fury was at that point -- but it's still ridiculous, imo.

Like I said, I reviewed the arc again, didn't see any inconsistency,
and if this is what you were referring to,
I'm thinking you're pulling my chain. 😠 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
I understand how weak Fury was at that point -- but it's still ridiculous, imo. 👇

So you're not understanding how weak the Fury was .... "at that point." 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master

Like I said, I reviewed the arc again, didn't see any inconsistency,

and if this is what you were referring to,

I'm thinking you're pulling my chain. 😛

(off-topic)

Btw. brother G, did you see those last scans I posted in my thread,
a new cat has just entered the hierarchy, thing is I don't know how to place him,
there's factors involved.

Peep the scans and tell me your thoughts,
and his placement, you'l see what I mean by "factors." 🙂

The scans pretty much speak for themselves,
I posted the relevant ones that deliver sufficient info for one to get the picture.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ut. ... what are you talking about?

The only damage Fury was receiving was from Jaspers in that entire battle.
Those are just locations that the Fury itself teleported Jaspers onto.
Why would the Fury bfr itself into the Sun, if the Sun could hurt it?

I was under the impression that it was MJJ that preformed the switches because of it being Fury that constantly needed to adapt to the changes. And IMO that actually doesn't make anything look more pretty because now according to you Jaspers physical Attacks > Universal Nullification. 🙂

Yes he did actually.
Jaspers' warp (either one) has no preferences. (everything it tries to warp)
The Fury was withIN 238 when the entire continuum was rearrange by Jaspers.
Fury was unfazed, this is confirmed in Fury's bio.

Okay but we never see MJJ trying to Warp Fury does we, I also thought that they could pick and choose what they choosed to warp just like when Captain Britain entered he wasn't warped by Jaspers.

If Fury had been vulnerable, Fury would not have killed him.
And again, 238 Jaspers warp did try to overcome Fury (like everything else in 238)
but Fury was unfazed.

Okay but maybe it can be referede to 616 jaspers > 238 Jaspers.

Again, if Fury would have been vulnerable (in any way) to the warping,
he wouldn't have killed him.

So you are saying Fury being turned into a ball isn't a warping preformed by jaspers and that fury choosed to take on that form because it suited it ????

Again, Marvel has already established it as fact,
that Fury was immune to Jaspers' 616 warping after Fury absorbed the cpu.
Fury was also immune to 238 Jaspers' warp withOUT the need of the cpu.
That's on panel and confirmed in the bio,
arguing against that specific point is futile.

Okay so let forget the on panel incident 🙂

In the battle, Fury simply decided to fight in that form,
it had nothing to do with vulnerability.
Fury was able to teleport across UniverseS good friend,
while battling a "god" to the death.

I know that after he was changed into a ball he wasn't vulnerable to warp any longer from 616 Jaspers if you would like it that way.

Vulnerable? Nah. 🙂

Now the physical attacks did damage Fury, but not the warp.

They both were, Jaspers' changes were just more exotic.

Was immune according to Marvel.

Certain things can be left as opinions, others are simply fact.

It is clearly stated that the warp would have killed it thus it was damaged, hurt ore what ever yu will like to call it.

With time? ... pretty much.
Don't forget,
Fury can buid/create from it's own cybiote/organic self,
weapons and purposeful equipment of practically any design or kind.

Even if it's back up neuro processor was to malfuntion due to damage,
Fury can either rebuild that one, or build another completely new one within itself.

Or shut down it's unit totaly therefore relying only on instinct.
(he did this when Fascination/Scatterbrain expanded the Fury's "brain" across the Omniverse in an instant ...
Fury resisted it, and owned her)
And that's another incredible durability feat btw. 👆

So time is the all important factor here are you saying that if I throw fury against the infinites for instance he would win if he was given enough time, what about death and the other abstracts like eternity, Oblivion and Infinity???

Ut. if Fury was unaffected by Jaspers' warp,
what is some energy blast gonna do?

I don't know and neither do you really since we never saw the effect against fury and IMO would still tire it down which it is all about when fighting fury so slow it down and tire it.

Jaspers' warp is the most powerful force Jaspers can bring concerning energy.
If a weapon that can re-arrange Reality completely doesn't work,
it's more than likely that blasts (of any kind) wouldn't make any difference.

But it would still damage it wore it down a bit tire it and so forth which again is all that counts.

This is why Moore put them in a physical duel.

Okay.

Matter manipulation and Reality warping are seperate entites.

Yes I asked the question once in the respect thread.

Reality warping >>> Matter manipulation.

Secret wars Doom with the power of galactus warped reality around him quiet easily.

stoned

😉

Uhh, ... that he was a "god" while merged to the Matrix?
Actually just to merge to the Matrix,
Merlyn had to perform an incredible durability feat.
When he dove into the unstable Matrix,
and while being physically hurtled through the Omniverse,
Merlyn was able to not only survive, but take control of the Matrix.
Indeed, even become one with the Matrix.

Impressive though I have no idea how it makes it a good dubility feat 😮 sorry.

This was addressed up top in this post.

You interpreted that bit incorrectly good friend.

If you say so 🙂

Again, addressed up top in this post.

Fury was never damaged by any environment,
for it was Fury itself taking Jaspers into those environments.
Fury is far from stupid, it wouldn't do that if it could be damaged by said environments.

What do you think "Switch" means everytime the scene changes?

That's a "sound effect" to note Fury teleporting. 🙂

I was under the impression that the Switch was MJJ until Fury found a way to teleport Jaspers into the former 238 universe. Hence the color difference of the Switches.

Originally posted by Mr Master
(off-topic)

Btw. brother G, did you see those last scans I posted in my thread,
a new cat has just entered the hierarchy, thing is I don't know how to place him,
there's factors involved.

Peep the scans and tell me your thoughts,
and his placement, you'l see what I mean by "factors." 🙂

The scans pretty much speak for themselves,
I posted the relevant ones that deliver sufficient info for one to get the picture.

I didn't see too much in the feat department to properly gauge him.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I was under the impression that it was MJJ that preformed the switches because of it being Fury that constantly needed to adapt to the changes.

Fury was adapting to the attacks,
which were apparently part of Jaspers' warp
even if they're executed in a physical fashion.

But it was Fury doing the teleporting:

"Fury proved capable of holding its own against Jaspers,
resisting his reality changes by shapeshifting rapidly
adapting as it teleported them
from one environment to the next across myriad Dimensions,
finally transporting them to the void where its own reality had been once"
.........................................................................................................

That settles that, agreed?

I'll submit, evidently those physical attacks were considered part of Jaspers' warp.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And IMO that actually doesn't make anything look more pretty because now according to you Jaspers physical Attacks > Universal Nullification.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay but we never see MJJ trying to Warp Fury does we

Only the Fury was "immune" On Panel and in the bio.

(reference) On Panel:

"Fury ... it never gives up. Not even when the Alternate Earth ...
goes horribly and inexplicably Mad all about it"

.........................................................................................................

(reference) Fury Bio:

"Fury ... unbothered by the raging Reality Warp Jaspers' powers had precipitated"

.........................................................................................................

(reference) Jaspers' Bio:

In plain english!

"Both Jaspers could effortlessly warp Reality ...
only the Fury proved immune, Jaspers Warp."

Originally posted by Utrigita
I also thought that they could pick and choose what they choosed to warp just like when Captain Britain entered he wasn't warped by Jaspers.

The Jaspers Warp engulfs everything it comes across and takes no prisoners:

"The insanity ... it ripples outwards ... a tidal wave of writhing lunacy.
It engulfs everything and all that engulfs"

But ...

If you mean on 616, there's a reason he didn't succumb immediately like on 238,
the fact, that that was the whole point of Merlyn allowing him to suffer like that on 238,
it was training, preparation for the ultimate threat .... 616 Jaspers:

Originally posted by Utrigita
So you are saying Fury being turned into a ball isn't a warping preformed by jaspers and that fury choosed to take on that form because it suited it ????

Proving it wasn't vulnerable to the warping.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay so let forget the on panel incident

Originally posted by Utrigita
I know that after he was changed into a ball he wasn't vulnerable to warp any longer from 616 Jaspers if you would like it that way.

That's all, its simple,
Fury didn't change its form completely
because Jaspers was still attacking every bit of the way.

As we gathered up top in this post,
even Jaspers' physical attacks are connected to his warp.
So Jaspers never strikes you physically in the technical sense, (separated from his warp)
cause everything he does is part of his warp.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It is clearly stated that the warp would have killed it thus it was damaged,
hurt ore what ever yu will like to call it.

But "Vulnerable" ... would've been incapacitation, k.o, or death, from the get.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So time is the all important factor here are you saying that if I throw fury against the infinites for instance he would win if he was given enough time,
what about death and the other abstracts like eternity, Oblivion and Infinity???

Originally posted by Utrigita
I don't know and neither do you really since we never saw the effect against fury and IMO would still tire it down which it is all about when fighting fury so slow it down and tire it.

When Jaspers' warps reality he's manipulating energy btw.

Originally posted by Utrigita
But it would still damage it wore it down a bit tire it and so forth which again is all that counts.

Why would you try and knock a metal wall down with a pistol,
if you already know a canon isn't working as expected?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Secret wars Doom with the power of galactus warped reality around him quiet easily.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Impressive though I have no idea how it makes it a good dubility feat, sorry.

In order for Merlyn to achieve "godhood" he had to go through hell first:

"I leaped into the seething cauldron of the energy Matrix"

The sound of that already sounds terrible, "seething cauldron" (ouch)
but just imagine the scale of the fury, this is a power fusing all realities.

Originally posted by Utrigita
If you say so

Originally posted by Utrigita
I was under the impression that the Switch was MJJ until Fury found a way to teleport Jaspers into the former 238 universe.
Hence the color difference of the Switches.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Fury was adapting to the attacks,
which were apparently part of Jaspers' warp
even if they're executed in a physical fashion.

But it was Fury doing the teleporting:

"Fury proved capable of holding its own against Jaspers,
resisting his reality changes by shapeshifting rapidly
adapting as [B]it teleported them
from one environment to the next across myriad Dimensions,
finally transporting them to the void where its own reality had been once"
.........................................................................................................

That settles that, agreed?

I'll submit, evidently those physical attacks were considered part of Jaspers' warp.

I'll submit, evidently those physical attacks were considered part of Jaspers' warp.

Everything withIN the warp is affected by it.

Only the Fury was "immune" On Panel and in the bio.

(reference) On Panel:

"Fury ... it never gives up. Not even when the Alternate Earth ...
goes horribly and inexplicably Mad all about it"

.........................................................................................................

(reference) Fury Bio:

"Fury ... unbothered by the raging Reality Warp Jaspers' powers had precipitated"

.........................................................................................................

(reference) Jaspers' Bio:

In plain english!

"Both Jaspers could effortlessly warp Reality ...
only the Fury proved immune, Jaspers Warp."

Captain Britain was descending into lunacy like everything else in 238.

The Jaspers Warp engulfs everything it comes across and takes no prisoners:

"The insanity ... it ripples outwards ... a tidal wave of writhing lunacy.
It engulfs everything and all that engulfs"

But ...

If you mean on 616, there's a reason he didn't succumb immediately like on 238,
the fact, that that was the whole point of Merlyn allowing him to suffer like that on 238,
it was training, preparation for the ultimate threat .... 616 Jaspers:

Nah. I clearly said Fury wasn't vulnerable to the warping.
Jaspers did warp Fury, and Fury shapeshifted out of the warp and attacked back.

Proving it wasn't vulnerable to the warping.

Addressed.

Jaspers was able to warp Fury into a ball,
and Fury was able to immediately shapeshift out it.

That's all, its simple,
Fury didn't change its form completely
because Jaspers was still attacking every bit of the way.

As we gathered up top in this post,
even Jaspers' physical attacks are connected to his warp.
So Jaspers never strikes you physically in the technical sense, (separated from his warp)
cause everything he does is part of his warp.

I agree.
But not enough to make it vulnerable, you feel me?
It took a battle that spanned UniverseS for Fury to weaken,
and again, it's been established now,
that Jaspers' physical attacks are connected to his warp.
Therefore anything Jaspers does, derives from the power of his warp.

But "Vulnerable" ... would've been incapacitation, k.o, or death, from the get.

The Fury's ace up the sleeve is it's ability to develop a counter for any attack.
With it's astronomical durability, it can find a way, with time.
But I'm not sayin Fury would defeat anyone else right now, so don't quote me.

Actually I do know.
There is no energy blast that Jaspers' could've pulled out greater than his warp.
Jaspers' warp, is his ultimate power, come on Ut. you know this.

When Jaspers' warps reality he's manipulating energy btw.

Nah, it wouldn't do anymore damage.

Why would you try and knock a metal wall down with a pistol,
if you already know a canon isn't working as expected?

You mean the full power of Galactus' Ship ... but who's counting. 🙂

In order for Merlyn to achieve "godhood" he had to go through hell first:

"I leaped into the seething cauldron of the energy Matrix"

The sound of that already sounds terrible, "seething cauldron" (ouch)
but just imagine the scale of the fury, this is a power fusing all realities.

Actually Marvel says so, as we proved. 🙂

Addressed up top. [/B]

Okay cool happy newyear 😎

Wrote a more filling response afterwards but I surpassed the 15 minutes

should stop @ WWH or Antimonitor (this guy eat universes 4 breakfast 😄)

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
should stop @ WWH or Antimonitor (this guy eat universes 4 breakfast 😄)

Fury clears this.

fury never did anything that would indicate he could harm COIE-AM.

Originally posted by Galan007
fury never did anything that would indicate he could harm COIE-AM.

haw-som

I agree. COIE AM > Fury.

...Except where it counts most, coolness.

Fury clears it.

If destroying a universe can't kill the Fury, I don't know what CoIE AM can do since that's about all he did.