Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I know. I know.
Bane does rock.
Also his fast, strong Djem So would wipe the floor with Yoda's Ataru
I understand that you're new to the forums, but the only people who can make claims that hold as much weight as God-given-fact are very few; I happen to be one of them, you're not. You need to support your assertions.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
To back up my allies points
I love wasting my precious free-time with you, no matter what name you currently use for posting, N00baris.
As seen when he effortlessly demolised the mighty Rancour, something that the "saber God" Skywalker was too scared to even attempt. The only one who even mildly equates to Kas'im was Tulak Hord and we only have one statement from Kriea on his skill. She is one tough lady(loosely) to impress though.
Great comparison, dude.
You did, of course, notice that Luke Skywalker didn't even have a lightsaber in the situation in ROTJ you are talking about, correct? Remember how it was hidden inside R2-D2? I'd really love to see Kas'im downing the Rancor with bare hands. This after just having gone through six months of Jedi training (which would be equal to what Luke had at the mentioned point in time).
Aside of that: Compare a Rancor to a Leviathan, think about the fact that Kyp Durron was capable of killing one without a lightsaber, and then come talk to me again about uber saber fame. It really needs uber skill to slaughter a mindless beast with a weapon that cuts through everything.
Which is irrelevant considering that, by the grace of Revan, Bane can completley resist all poisons. The only reason that he didn't do this in the first place was because he was rendered unconcious by his own power.
Awww. Yes. This is why they had to remove those nice little Orbalisk from Bane who was actually nearly killed in the process? Talking bullshit much, eh?
Whose greatest shown feat of power was when he ripped that balcony of the wall(clumsily) in ROTS. I'm pretty sure that even that wasn't his doing (Sisious)
Urm. Sure. I wonder how did rip apart that nice metal pillar in AotC and tossed it on Obi-Wan and Anakin. Dooku maybe? Oh, yes. That aside owning people in force contest with a mere gesture (Asajj Ventress, Obi-Wan) or ripping parts out of solid stone (at least - if not ferrocrete) buildings (in AotC he attempts this on Yoda - in "Trackdown" he does the same with Tholme).
But the mere idea that Sidious could have done the work for him in RotS qualifies you for the Olymp of Stupidity. I mean hey...you think both Jedi in the room (at least Anakin - who was still standing) wouldn't have realized if some "third party" would have intereferred there? That aside from the fact that we have this nice little RotS novel that tells us that it...erm...was Dooku. Great thinking on your part.
Which makes him actually more perfetic really. Given that Kas'im was the best ever and that Bane was able to demolish him after only about a year of training (as opposed to Yoda's 850 at the end of which he struggled against Dooku who Anakin beat simply by wanting to). Add on to that his extra 10 years of training with his extreme learning rate and Bane actually does rape him ( he is sick after all)
Kas'im wasn't the best ever. Otherwise Bane wouldn't have bested him, punk. Logical reasoning escapes your grasp, doesn't it? Kas'im might have been notorious in his lightsaber training. That means what? Kas'im might be in his 40s. Dooku trained equally hard - and is 80 years old. Is he better than Kas'im, probably, especially considering that you have various sources mentioning that training in different techniques (which is the basis for form VI) makes you a versatile fighter but you would lack a real mastery of one form (since all of them are linked to certain philosophies and mindsets). Thus, I think, the master of the "ultimate refinement of lightsaber to lightsaber combat" might actually be better than some punk who learned all styles - especially since the same punk was training all his students in all styles. We saw how great those Sith were in lightsaber duels, didn't we?
Good point. If the Chancellor did practise during that time wouldn't the Jedi be able to sense his use of the Force?
Did you miss the entire "the force is clouded by the Dark Side" stuff appearing in the movies as well as in various other sources? If you want to view the comic "Sithisis" as canon, he was even capable of performing full-scale Sith rituals on Coruscant without the Jedi noticing. That aside from the fact that you can't really track the use of the force on a planet that is filled with several thousands of force users (Jedi Temple).
Aside of that: He was obviously in a shape good enough with that weapon to kill 3 Jedi Masters in a blink (even though he did surprise them to a certain extend) and keep up duelling with Mace Windu for a brief period of time.
Also his fast, strong Djem So would wipe the floor with Yoda's Ataru
Urm. Sure. That's why every elitist Djem So practioneer in the Jedi Order was inable to even think about defeating Yoda, correct? Notice how Sidious thinks that, had Yoda faced Anakin as he was in RotS (Dooku noting that Anakin was the "finest Djem So practicioneer he has ever seen"😉, Yoda would have totally freaking owned Skywalker. So much for this. One style doesn't give you a general advantage against other styles. Especially since the natural disadvantages of Ataru (being an easy target after accrobatics) don't count for Yoda.
Anything else to say, wise guy?
@Gideon: Nice post. "Owned", I'd say...
okay i'll give you my view: okay Yoda was forced into exile because he failed to kill Palpatine/Sidious. It was a dem close match but Sidious won. If Sidious could beat Yoda with a mix of his force & saber skills, why couldn't a younger, more Hate-consumed being who single-handedly managed to destroy the so-called sith during the Great Sith Wars kick his arse in a 1v1
You said it. 'So-called Sith', they were no challenge for someone like Bane.
What does the fact that he was forced into exile has to do with his strength? Besides, take a look at the setting. Don't you think Yoda would've had a better chance at a different place?
Awright, why couldn't a younger, more hate-consumed (I hardly believe anyone would have more hatred than Sids, btw) guy such as Bane defeat him? Because he has not proven anything just yet which puts him in the same league as Yoda.
Originally posted by BaneOfJedi700
okay i'll give you my view: okay Yoda was forced into exile because he failed to kill Palpatine/Sidious. It was a dem close match but Sidious won. If Sidious could beat Yoda with a mix of his force & saber skills, why couldn't a younger, more Hate-consumed being who single-handedly managed to destroy the so-called sith during the Great Sith Wars kick his arse in a 1v1
Oh my. Is that you trying to tell me that Bane > Sidious because he managed to have the BoD destroy themselves by handing them something they thought to be the ultimate weapon against the Jedi?
Great God.
Returning an argument in the same fashion would be saying that Sidious did bring down the entire Jedi Order (thousands) and the Republic (millions of worlds) on his own with similar schemes.
Conclusion in the realm of your logic:
Sidious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bane
Really. Try to make an argument based on logic or STFU. I'm not interested in your mere opinion. If I was, I'd tell you which one I'd like to hear.
Great comparison, dude.
You did, of course, notice that Luke Skywalker didn't even have a lightsaber in the situation in ROTJ you are talking about, correct? Remember how it was hidden inside R2-D2? I'd really love to see Kas'im downing the Rancor with bare hands.
The same way that Bane did: by smushing its brain into fallafles.
Ka'sim actually says that he could do this but he wanted a 'warm-up'
This after just having gone through six months of Jedi training (which would be equal to what Luke had at the mentioned point in time).
Which is about the same amount as Bane had.
It really needs uber skill to slaughter a mindless beast with a weapon that cuts through everything.
Aside from dodging massive claws, huge fangs and , i think i'm right in saying, poison. And tha fact that the Rancour was the most fearsom beast out there bars the Krayt dragons.
"finest Djem So practicioneer he has ever seen"😉,
Actually he said ,' as fine a one as he had ever seen'.
Awww. Yes. This is why they had to remove those nice little Orbalisk from Bane who was actually nearly killed in the process? Talking bullshit much, eh?
Awww. Yes. This was because he was unconcious at the time. By the time he woke up the damage was done. Ignoring facts much, eh?
Urm. Sure. That's why every elitist Djem So practioneer in the Jedi Order was inable to even think about defeating Yoda, correct?
No. Thats becuase its so hard to even imagine that small ball of snot even fighting. He did have arthritus after all.
And non one in the order had even seen him fight in their life times.
But the mere idea that Sidious could have done the work for him in RotS qualifies you for the Olymp of Stupidity. I mean hey...you think both Jedi in the room (at least Anakin - who was still standing) wouldn't have realized if some "third party" would have intereferred there? That aside from the fact that we have this nice little RotS novel that tells us that it...erm...was Dooku. Great thinking on your part.
It says in the book something like that if you check.
And Sisious would have wanted Kenobi out of the fight so Anakin would be able to get really, really pissed without his masters presence.
We saw how great those Sith were in lightsaber duels, didn't we?
Does moving at invisible speeds mean nothing to you?
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
The same way that Bane did: by smushing its brain into fallafles.
Ka'sim actually says that he could do this but he wanted a 'warm-up'
Again: This still is Luke after some days (weeks at best) of actual training and after reading Obi-Wan's diary for another six months. Do you want to compare RotJ Luke to Yoda?
Which is about the same amount as Bane had.
Urm. No. Because Bane did go through extensive training each day. If you consider that as "training" Luke, as he is in RotJ, just had days or maybe some weeks - the time he did spent with Yoda. Simply not compareable. And still RotJ Luke isn't Yoda.
Aside from dodging massive claws, huge fangs and , i think i'm right in saying, poison. And tha fact that the Rancour was the most fearsom beast out there bars the Krayt dragons.
Since when do Rancors possess poison? Those things are outright lame and clumsy beyond believe. Just watch the thing in RotJ moving. It's not that this things are super fast killing machines or any challenge for a fully trained force user.
www. Yes. This was because he was unconcious at the time. By the time he woke up the damage was done. Ignoring facts much, eh?
And he was unconcious because the poison did knock him out. So much for "ignoring facts", hmm?
No. Thats becuase its so hard to even imagine that small ball of snot even fighting. He did have arthritus after all.
And non one in the order had even seen him fight in their life times.
Sure. That's why he does actually fight in various sources during the PT. You did notice his three years of frontline action in the Clone Wars right before RotS, right? Repeating already defeated points doesn't make them any better.
It says in the book something like that if you check.
It says: Come up with quotes or STFU noob.
And Sisious would have wanted Kenobi out of the fight so Anakin would be able to get really, really pissed without his masters presence.
Yes. Hence why Dooku did take Kenobi out of the fight. Really...
Does moving at invisible speeds mean nothing to you?
Doesn't it get into your head? The same was done by Mace Windu. And Yoda is still faster than that. I may once again repeat for you: The small guy deflected more than 40 Blaster bolts shot at him from seven different ankles in less than 4 seconds (RotS movie - highest form of canon) with apparent ease. You think Bane could do that? I highly doubt it.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
No. It was the lightning that knocked him out. Since when has poison knocked people unconcious.
There are quite many substances that can be called "poison" and do knock people out, mate. Aside of that - since when does force lightning knock people out over the time period of several days?
And by the way: That little incident doesn't make Bane look that great. I mean...he wasn't able to repel his own force lightning again (Dooku was capable of doing that in AotC when he had his own lightning thrown back into his face by Yoda) and if it was his own lightning that knocked him out....well...Yoda did take a full barrage of lightning from Sidious and was back on his feet a minute after that. And this aside from getting owned by a Jedi who was already on the ground and about to die. Indeed powerful the almighty Bane. 🙄
Originally posted by Borbarad
I love wasting my precious free-time with you, no matter what name you currently use for posting, N00baris.
Nai, if you seriously believe that Exodus and Nebaris are the same person, than I can only assume that you're either a fascistcrusader level sheep, or an extremely unperceptive person. Either way, well done trying to prove him wrong by replying to a completely different person. Seriously, wonderful job! 👆
Originally posted by E-Hotshot
Nai, if you seriously believe that Exodus and Nebaris are the same person, than I can only assume that you're either a fascistcrusader level sheep, or an extremely unperceptive person. Either way, well done trying to prove him wrong by replying to a completely different person. Seriously, wonderful job! 👆
That of course affects the validity of the basic argument...not.
Thanks for producing another pointless post. +1? KKTHXBYE.