hehe, xenogears is for the ps1 while xenosaga trilogy{three games in total, all direct sequels} are for the ps2. they are rpgs and sum of the best ever made{truly}. great graphics{depending on timeframe for each}, AWESOME story, great gameplay, great characters amd truly great soundtracks. all the makings of classic. go buy em all and ull never regret it!
definately more awesome than legacy of kain{not that those rent great too}
which REMINDS ME!!!! hey 123kid {or any1 else here} does any1 have ANY idea where i can get the music missing from the official xenosaga 3 ost {i DESPERATELY want the theme that plays in abel's ark- the one which sounds like "one who bares fangs at god" from the deus core fight in xenogears, and the theme of the start screen and the human uriev battle in abel's ark}. cant find em anywhere, not even on blulaguna or galbadia hotel {they had a link sum1 posted but that link was deleted or doesnt work n stuff}.
hehe i dont think theyll be as good as the LOK, not for me, i like LOK because of the setting and style, theres an atmosphere i feel and the characters, some the characters simply by looking at them in Xeno look a bit Japanese anime made which are not my style but ill look em up anyway, see if i can get em in the bargain bin or sumfin
he wasnt a DISCIPLE.
yes he was
i've already given you the FAQ link and if you're too arrogant or dumb to read officla canon it's not my problem
you're wrong
and it is exaplained as nuthing more than a gathering of the time
no it's not
LIE #1
{that man speaking isnt jesus}.
i'd love to hear who you think it was then
it CLEARLY states that chaos is the original messiah
i do have the load right now and i've looked through all entries you mentioned
it is not stated anywhere
Lie #2
it CLEARLY states that chaos is the original messiah and the y data and the song of the nephilim are CHAOS'S words{although incomplete} that chaos spoke in his original time
we don't need the database to tell us this
“But its true purpose was to manage the words he passed on. The program you call Lemegeton is in fact, those words. It’s a failsafe installed by God that can cause this universe to dissipate. Though it appears the man you call yoru Lord did not know that. Of course, that was to be expected; for those were the words of Yeshua.”
Lord = Jesus
chaos spoke the words because the Messiah was just a man
however their Lord is the Messiah not chaos
there's nothing stating chaos was Jesus
nothing
yes you did. and the zohar is a DOORWAY to udo's energy, it is an artifact of god{perhaps the superme artifcat of god.} you are confusing xenogears with xenosaga i think. in xenogears the xohar was where the wave existance was CONFINED. but in xenoSAGA, udo exists in a higher dimension adn the zohar is merely a doorwway to thaty dimension.
no i'm not as i know more than you do and i don't lie
i said the Zohar is U-DO's power and energy
that is canon fact
stated in the database
yes it does have nearly evrything{othjer than the existance of chaos which still has not been adequately explained in the game} with the destriuction of the universe. whenever udo manifests itself, the inevitable end of the universe is accelerated. as for the collapse of the upper domain, that came about in the very end and is unexplained. udo has nuthing to do with the COLLECTIVE UNCONCIOUNCE{unus mundus}, the REASON udo is greater than anything in the lower realm is that udo is a SINGLE conciousness which is greater than the unus mundus. it does move in order to avoid the collapse perhaps because we see the nicer side of udo when abel helps the nephilim and chaos seal all gnosis in the zohar. perhaps udo learnt that from shion and by seeing the events unfold int the lower domain through abel and the ark. that is why those EYES existed. initially, it was the most destriuuctive and horrifying entity which was responsible for leading the universe to destruction {along with chaos who was a FAILSAFE in case it didnt happen} and that is why wilhelm had to do the eternal recurrance thing. and from the fact that yeshua/chaos explained that the universe maybe more flexible than wlhelm thought, it is strongly implied that udo has become more understanding of the lower dimension which is why abel did what he did. but it is a fact that dimitria and albedo saw udo destroying the universe and that is why they became afraid of it and did what they did.
i really don't care what you think
i care what the OFFICIAL Perfect Guide to the Xenosaga plot states
yes he was
i've already given you the FAQ link and if you're too arrogant or dumb to read officla canon it's not my problem
you're wrong
no it's notLIE #1
no, ur the one that is lyign now.
i'd love to hear who you think it was then
i was confused too in the beginning. but it was explained away when chaos was said to be the messiah and the ones that spoke those words{if my ps2 was working right now, ud bet id give u direct references, too bad. ill have to look at sum faqs sumtimes}
i do have the load right now and i've looked through all entries you mentioned
it is not stated anywhereLie #2
TOTAL AND UTTER LIE! either you do not or you havent looked. the y data are chaos's words{he is also called god here} as stated in the encycopedia thingie.
we don't need the database to tell us this“But its true purpose was to manage the words he passed on. The program you call Lemegeton is in fact, those words. It’s a failsafe installed by God that can cause this universe to dissipate. Though it appears the man you call yoru Lord did not know that. Of course, that was to be expected; for those were the words of Yeshua.”
Lord = Jesus
chaos spoke the words because the Messiah was just a man
however their Lord is the Messiah not chaosthere's nothing stating chaos was Jesus
nothing
LMAO, "READ" what u just wrote, it clearly says that chaos is the messiah. they were the words of YESHUA. wilhelm calls chaos YESHUA. YESHUA is the real name of JESUS of nazarath{knowns fact} and even the DATABASE states that yeshua is the real name of jesus in hebrew. how much MORE clear do you have to get that chaos is the messiah?!?!??!?!?!!?!!?!
no i'm not as i know more than you do and i don't lie
i said the Zohar is U-DO's power and energy
that is canon fact
stated in the database
lol, and WHICH database are we talking about?? the one in xenosaga three, cause a lot of things were said that differed in the previous database cause otherwise it wud have ruined the story. the zohar is a DOORWAY to ascend to god'S dimension. it GIVES OUT udo's power. cannon fact.
i really don't care what you think
i care what the OFFICIAL Perfect Guide to the Xenosaga plot states [/B]
and i care what the ingame database after completeion and people inside the game say. your not as familiar with xenosaga and xenogears as i am. srry.
also, remember that when we go back in time, in remme le chateu which takes us to lost jerusalem of the past, all the DISCIPLES are dead and buried in graves and even mary id dead and buried in the casket from which the testaments took her body from to make telos in the beginning of xenosaga 3. and yeshua/chaos is the only one alive who comes out from behind the cross. he IS teh messiah and jesus. yeshua=jesus.
no i am not. you are just gettin desperate here. the entries for the y data and song of the nephilim etc clearly state that these words were stated by chaos, the messiah
neither one says he was the Messiah sorry
chaos was never the Messiah and you have NO proof saying he was
i'm desperate ?
i'm not the one arguing against official canon
TOTAL AND UTTER LIE! either you do not or you havent looked. the y data are chaos's words{he is also called god here} as stated in the encycopedia thingie.
i was talking about you saying he was the Messiah was in these entries
LMAO, "READ" what u just wrote, it clearly says that chaos is the messiah.
no it doesn't
now you can't read ?
and even the DATABASE states that yeshua is the real name of jesus in hebrew.
lie #3
all the entry to Yeshua states is
"the term Wilhelm uses to refer to chaos"
the zohar is a DOORWAY to ascend to god'S dimension. it GIVES OUT udo's power. cannon fact.
so it's U-DO's energy ?
which i've said all along ?
great
and i care what the ingame database after completeion and people inside the game say. your not as familiar with xenosaga and xenogears as i am. srry.
you think the Song was in in imaginary space when it's stated to be using a cloaking deivice
you flat out lie multiple times about scenes in the game and entries in the database
you ignore the Perfect Guide
you don't know anything about Xenosaga and are spitting on the series with your lies and ignorance of fact
also, remember that when we go back in time, in remme le chateu which takes us to lost jerusalem of the past, all the DISCIPLES are dead and buried in graves and even mary id dead and buried in the casket from which the testaments took her body from to make telos in the beginning of xenosaga 3. and yeshua/chaos is the only one alive who comes out from behind the cross. he IS teh messiah and jesus. yeshua=jesus.
maybe because hw is immortal and didn't give his life like MARY DID ?
he's not the Mesiah and you know nothing of Xenosaga\
i'm posting this and ending the debate because there is no debate and we're spamming my thread
FROM THE OFFICIAL XENOSAGA PERFECT GUIDE
http://translations.xenotensei.com/Xeno3/PerfectGuide.html
<<Messiah>>
　　　　In the era of ancient Lost Jerusalem, there existed a man who was called the "Messiah".
　　　　Surrounding him, various plots unfolded, and events even to the extent of having sway on the very existence of the universe were produced.
　　　　However, the Messiah himself was only just a human. Maria, who was the partner of the Messiah and bearer of the power of Animus, and chaos, who was his closest friend and bearer of the power of Anima; the two of them performed various miracles.
　　　　The Messiah, by himself, was not able to perform miracles. However, he supervised those who performed such miracles, and while utilizing those phenomena, he was adept at guiding the hearts of people. And such an existence is something that is difficult to replace by anyone.
now i know you are lying. either in wilhelm's entry or chaos's entry it is stated that wilhelm refers to him as yeshua and it is ALSO stated that yeshua is the name of jesus. in reality every person who known about histroy and christianity would know that "jesus of nzarath"" was not his real name and YESHUA is jesus's real name. it is clearly stated in the INGAME database that tthe y data are words that CHAOS spoke.
there is lot of difference between the zohar being a DOORWAY from which udo's energy emenates and the zohar BEING the actualy energy SOURCE{like a battery} of udo{which is like a battery driven tow}. it is just a doorway from which udo's energy ENTERS the lower domain.
i do not flat out lie, kosmos had to use the phase transfer cannon to MATERIALISE the song of nephilim in REAL space{which is stated in the ingame guide btw}, if it were just cloacked from VISIONS then what is the point of using a phase transfer cannon. it was not cloacked in REAL space, and the phase transfer cannon made it materialise in REAL space. simple fact
i know a helluva lot more about xenosaga than you it seems. are you even sure that is an OFFICIAL guide? doesnt seem like it at all. just seem like sum1's version of events, anyhow, i do not need anythign more authentic than the INGAME database where it is clearly explaied what chaos is.
the above paragraph is laughable, such a messiah was never seen. it is clearly explained that the y data as well as the dong of the nephilim and the lemegeton program are incomplete forms of words that chaos spoke. chaos is called yeshua and yeshua is universally known to ne jesus's real name. it is even stated in the ingame guide in xenosaga 3 that yeshua means jesus in hebrew "i know this for a fact". if you say no than you are lying. on top of all the other references i have given, you apparently will not admit the simple truth due to egotistical reasons. oh well, doesnt matter, you can stick to you unofficial guide to xenosaga while ill stick to completely official stuff and my knowledge of xenogears/xenosaga and the kaballist/jewish/christian mythology as well as the numerous jungian/neitschian/alchemical and new ae physics{stephen hawkins who is even mentioned in the in game guide} that i know.
now i know you are lying. either in wilhelm's entry or chaos's entry it is stated that wilhelm refers to him as yeshua and it is ALSO stated that yeshua is the name of jesus. in reality every person who known about histroy and christianity would know that "jesus of nzarath"" was not his real name and YESHUA is jesus's real name. it is clearly stated in the INGAME database that tthe y data are words that CHAOS spoke.
i already know that
i provided a video saying as much
it doesn't matter though because it actually proves my point
their Lord the Messiah was not chaos because the words they thought their Lord spoke were actually spoken by Yeshua ie chaos is NOT the Messiah
there is lot of difference between the zohar being a DOORWAY from which udo's energy emenates and the zohar BEING the actualy energy SOURCE{like a battery} of udo{which is like a battery driven tow}. it is just a doorway from which udo's energy ENTERS the lower domain.
i've said this as well
i do not flat out lie, kosmos had to use the phase transfer cannon to MATERIALISE the song of nephilim in REAL space{which is stated in the ingame guide btw}, if it were just cloacked from VISIONS then what is the point of using a phase transfer cannon. it was not cloacked in REAL space, and the phase transfer cannon made it materialise in REAL space. simple fact
provide your source
i've got the official game script backing me up
“There’s seems to be some type of force-field concentrated near here.There’s a very high probability that it’s what’s attracting the Gnosis.The observational guys said that whatever it is, it’s definitely something man-made. Anyway, we can find the origin of this force-field if we link up the Dammerung’s mainframe with KOS-MOS’ D.S.S.S. sensor. It appears as though the enemy’s using some kind of cloaking device to conceal itself right now. But there should be a wrinkle or two in the surrounding space, though. We figure that that if we can tear those open, we’ll be able to find out what we’re dealing with. “
YouTube video
so the Song was using a CLOAKING DEVICe and because it was physically there there were wrinkles and distortions in real space which wouldn't be the case if it was in imaginary space
don't reply till you have your evidence saying it was in imaginary space
i know a helluva lot more about xenosaga than you it seems. are you even sure that is an OFFICIAL guide? doesnt seem like it at all. just seem like sum1's version of events, anyhow, i do not need anythign more authentic than the INGAME database where it is clearly explaied what chaos is.
as in not Jesus ?
the above paragraph is laughable, such a messiah was never seen. it is clearly explained that the y data as well as the dong of the nephilim and the lemegeton program are incomplete forms of words that chaos spoke. chaos is called yeshua and yeshua is universally known to ne jesus's real name. it is even stated in the ingame guide in xenosaga 3 that yeshua means jesus in hebrew "i know this for a fact". if you say no than you are lying. on top of all the other references i have given, you apparently will not admit the simple truth due to egotistical reasons. oh well, doesnt matter, you can stick to you unofficial guide to xenosaga while ill stick to completely official stuff and my knowledge of xenogears/xenosaga and the
stop making things up
\]i know how you "debate"
like in the Comics where you ignore what Marvel says
you're a moron
nwo get out of my thread liar
ill stick to completely official stuff and my knowledge of xenogears/xenosaga and the kaballist/jewish/christian mythology as well as the numerous jungian/neitschian/alchemical and new ae physics{stephen hawkins who is even mentioned in the in game guide} that i know.
this from the guy who keeps lying ?
go away n00b
My Final Word on The Messiah and chaos
just so everyone sees the facts
i source and link to all the proof i'm using here
http://www.xenotensei.com/translations/truth_of_xs.html
“Ancient Earth. chaos was at the place where a long black haired man would preach. That long-haired man later received belief from a great many people, and is the person who came to be called the Messiah. chaos served as that man's disciple.”
And what do we see IN THE GAME?
I have TWO official guides saying the exact same thing and we see it in the game
we also have Wilhelm clearly distinguishing the Lord/Messiah and chaos as two separate individuals
YouTube video
“It began from the death of the man you worship as your Lord. Officially Ormus existed to convey the man’s existence to coming generations. But its true purpose was to manage the words he passed on. The program you call Lemegeton is in fact, those words. It’s a failsafe installed by God that can cause this universe to dissipate. Though it appears the man you call yoru Lord did not know that. Of course, that was to be expected; for those were the words of Yeshua.”
and note BOTH official guides state this two
What was “Lemegeton?”
In extremely ancient Lost Jerusalem, there existed words for leading energy of the upper domain to the lower domain, and they were brought to mankind by chaos, who was a disciple of the Messiah. It was a forbidden spell that was endowed with the function of direct access to U-DO.
http://translations.xenotensei.com/Xeno3/PerfectGuide.html#10
5. The Word of God ("Lemegeton"😉
Ancient Earth. chaos was at the place where a long black haired man would preach. That long-haired man later received belief from a great many people, and is the person who came to be called the Messiah. chaos served as that man's disciple. And he performed various miracles as the long-haired man's proxy. One among them was to leave behind of the Word of God, Lemegeton.
so it appears to be me with all the proof
did i convince any of you ? if i did i'm done
i know leon can't be reasoned with but as long as others know the truth i'll be happy to stop
Originally posted by 123KID
[b]My Final Word on The Messiah and chaos
just so everyone sees the facts
i source and link to all the proof i'm using herehttp://www.xenotensei.com/translations/truth_of_xs.html
“Ancient Earth. chaos was at the place where a long black haired man would preach. That long-haired man later received belief from a great many people, and is the person who came to be called the Messiah. chaos served as that man's disciple.”And what do we see IN THE GAME?
I have TWO official guides saying the exact same thing and we see it in the game
we also have Wilhelm clearly distinguishing the Lord/Messiah and chaos as two separate individuals
YouTube video
“It began from the death of the man you worship as your Lord. Officially Ormus existed to convey the man’s existence to coming generations. But its true purpose was to manage the words he passed on. The program you call Lemegeton is in fact, those words. It’s a failsafe installed by God that can cause this universe to dissipate. Though it appears the man you call yoru Lord did not know that. Of course, that was to be expected; for those were the words of Yeshua.”and note BOTH official guides state this two
What was “Lemegeton?”
In extremely ancient Lost Jerusalem, there existed words for leading energy of the upper domain to the lower domain, and they were brought to mankind by chaos, who was a disciple of the Messiah. It was a forbidden spell that was endowed with the function of direct access to U-DO.
http://translations.xenotensei.com/Xeno3/PerfectGuide.html#105. The Word of God ("Lemegeton"😉
Ancient Earth. chaos was at the place where a long black haired man would preach. That long-haired man later received belief from a great many people, and is the person who came to be called the Messiah. chaos served as that man's disciple. And he performed various miracles as the long-haired man's proxy. One among them was to leave behind of the Word of God, Lemegeton.
so it appears to be me with all the proof
did i convince any of you ? if i did i'm done
i know leon can't be reasoned with but as long as others know the truth i'll be happy to stop [/B]
sigh, apparently you do not know much about xenosaga's development do you. it was actually supposed to be SIX games not three and many plot elements were left out as also sprach zarathustra became the last one. initially "I" was of the oppinion that that man was jesus too, and that was probably the development teams ORIGINAL plan, but since they had to wrap things up in the third game, it was made CANNON that chaos was jesus and always had been after you finish the game. you CONTINUOUSLY avoid the fact that the "IN GAME" encyclopedia{which blows awya any other outer source} stated that chaos is called "yeshua" and IN game it stated that yeshua was also the name of "jesus" in ancient hebrew. you constantly forget it, maybe youdidnt see the entry because the in game database is constantly upgraded due to events. furthermore, if you noticed, that in the last game, in the scene depicting chaos and kosmos, the imprtance of the man speaking is again demoted as neither he nor his followers are shown but only the camera concentrates on mary and chaos. furthermoe, there was NO1 called yeshua/chaos in the disciples of jesus. there WAS however mary and ALL the other mentioned e.s.s and the names of the graves in remme le chateu. this is a probable retcon. since chaos doesnt fit in ANYWHERE in the disciples and his name is that of jesus and even the in game database mentions it.
also, you are continuously quoting from a less credible source than tha completed INGAME DATABASE, which is the most credible and cannon and that states that chaos was the one who spoke those words and chaos was the messiah. and i amn quoting from the very thging you gave : "those were the words of YESHUA"!!!!! i.e. chaos. also, lemegeton was NOT the failsafe. that is yeshua's power of anima. lemegeton was an incomplete program created by grimoire verum{it seems like you havent played the first game} a scientist, BASED on the words of chaos. in that respect it is just like the y data and the song of the nephilim. all incomplete versions of the words that yeshua spoke. the confusions arise because the plot is as yet, not completely explained due to the premature end{although there might be more on new gen consoles}of the series. perhaps in reality chaos stole that power or sumthing. but all these things are not elaborated upon and in the end of xenosaga 3 by reloading the data, chaos's origins are clearly explained to be that of the original messiah yeshua.
please desist from trying to insult others if you do not posess the complete knowledge on the subject.
sigh, apparently you do not know much about xenosaga's development do you. it was actually supposed to be SIX games
A. I know more than you
B. I knew that
C. it means nothing here
you CONTINUOUSLY avoid the fact that the "IN GAME" encyclopedia{which blows awya any other outer source} stated that chaos is called "yeshua" and IN game it stated that yeshua was also the name of "jesus" in ancient hebrew.
nope i've already proivided the entry for Yeshua from the Database
you're just a liar
also it was never said in game Yeshua was Hebrew for Jesus
another lie
you're on a roll
also these guides came out after the game halfwit
or are you so clueless as to think two guides which answer and cover all the plot points of Xenosaga III came out before the game ?
you constantly forget it, maybe youdidnt see the entry because the in game database is constantly upgraded due to events.
sorry n00b but i've already proven you wrong here
i looked at the database after the game long before you ever did and i have it right at my fingertips now
so......stop lying
please ?
have some dignity
and ALL the other mentioned e.s.s and the names of the graves in remme le chateu. this is a probable retcon. since chaos doesnt fit in ANYWHERE in the disciples and his name is that of jesus and even the in game database mentions it.
um moron the E.S.es are named after the Apostales
was chaos an Apostle ?
also, you are continuously quoting from a less credible source than tha completed INGAME DATABASE, which is the most credible and cannon and that states that chaos was the one who spoke those words
can you read ?
what does EVERY SOURCE i've provided sau ?
oh...........it says CHAOS SPOKE THOSE WORDS
damn
and chaos was the messiah.
another lie
no entry says this
"those were the words of YESHUA"!!!!! i.e. chaos. also, lemegeton was NOT the failsafe.
oh ?
Wilhelm disagrees
so do OFFICIAL guides
i'll tak their word over your lying one
and in the end of xenosaga 3 by reloading the data, chaos's origins are clearly explained to be that of the original messiah yeshua.
for the love of God STOP LYING
no it's not
I HAVE THE ENTRY RIGHT HERE
after you upload the game it says NOTHING of him being the Messiah
please desist from trying to insult others if you do not posess the complete knowledge on the subject.
I have the sources
I have the database
you have LIED about 3 times in one post
you are IGNORING official canon
you should be banned for sheer stupidity