"Though it appears the man you call yoru Lord did not know that. Of course, that was to be expected; for those were the words of Yeshua.”
oh look
the Lord/Messiah IS NOT Yeshua
as stated by Wilhelm himself
and backed up in two OFFICIAL guides
god stop it already leon
have some self-respect and don't lie and be ignorant
A. I know more than you
B. I knew that
C. it means nothing here
a. your replies prove otherwise
b. ok
c. wrong
nope i've already proivided the entry for Yeshua from the Database
you're just a liar
also it was never said in game Yeshua was Hebrew for Jesus
another lie
you're on a rollalso these guides came out after the game halfwit
or are you so clueless as to think two guides which answer and cover all the plot points of Xenosaga III came out before the game ?
no, the entry was present only initially in the database then disappears as it is updated. you are either looking at the database after many updates as it looked at the end of the game or are using out of games summaries and comilations which are NOTORIOUS for being inconsistant with INGAME stuff. i am positive about the yesua thing because it was what reminded me after years that jesus's real name was yeshua. you can also check it up on the net, jesus's real name was always yeshua. jesus the anointed one was a symbolic name. now do you really think it is just a coincidence that chaos's was named by the developers with the same real name as jesus???????? just answer me that
sorry n00b but i've already proven you wrong here
i looked at the database after the game long before you ever did and i have it right at my fingertips now
so......stop lying
please ?
have some dignity
lol, i got a copy of xenosaga 3 the day it came out{two days before the british or american release because everything is pirated directly and available where i live} and finished the game in 2 days after finishing every single subquest other than attaining ziggy's ultimate weapon. i also found a hidden mode in the game because i was frustrated and just puch sum random buttons and something like "test mode" was written on all cutscenes fromt the start of the game but the electricity went out n i cudnt remember the combination again{this hasnt been mentioned anywhere tomy knowledge online}. so i think i know more about xenosaga and zenogears than you do. also, you are looking at databases outside the game official or othrwise. i talk only from the very basic in game ones and even they are constantly upgraded and i looked at them every time because material is editted from them every time {try and restart xenosaga three, and start playing. and look at the database entries for yeshua or wilhelm or chaos or sumthing. i am POSITIVE that you will find INGAME the reference of yeshua being jesus's original name as i remember vividly that it was what reminded me of jesus's real name after years. i am not lying here and i dont think there is a difefrence of information in different versions so check it out.
um moron the E.S.es are named after the Apostales
was chaos an Apostle ?
erm yea apostles. mary was an apostle as was judas etc etc etc. YOU said that chaos was an apostle/follower of the messiah like mary, so im aslking you, which apostle was named yeshua or chaos???????????? NO1! chaos isnt an apostle nor a follower of the messiah, he IS the messiah most probably.
can you read ?what does EVERY SOURCE i've provided sau ?
oh...........it says CHAOS SPOKE THOSE WORDSdamn
every source you have quoted generally happens to be the database provided OUTSIDE the games by the company which are always notorious for inconcistancies. as for the ingame database, i have already explained this to you. the updates are probably responsible for you not readiing the chaos=jesus part. restart and look, im aure its there{otherwise why wud i make the claim and encourage you to look???}. and dont you think that the ones who SPOKE those words{the words of god} WAS the messiah??? the ones who spoke those words was chaos so what does that make him????????
another lie
no entry says this
read above
oh ?
Wilhelm disagrees
so do OFFICIAL guides
i'll tak their word over your lying one
no, OUT OF GAME GUIDES. in game guides entries shud be checked continuously which you probably neglected to as material is deleted. lemegeton was created by the INCOMPLETE words of the messiah. wilhelm himself says to chaos on zarathustra that he is the failsafe. so i suppose i am correct here. perhaps lemegeton is just a result or practical way to acheive the failsafe but it IS infact chaos/anima and not lemegeton which is the failsafe.
for the love of God STOP LYING
no it's not
I HAVE THE ENTRY RIGHT HERE
after you upload the game it says NOTHING of him being the Messiah
out of game guide. in game guide, you missed it due to updates.
also, the fact that words of god were spoken by chaos is mentioned.
I have the sources
I have the database
you have LIED about 3 times in one post
you are IGNORING official canon
you should be banned for sheer stupidity
you have out of game sources and updated game sources with subtracted material.
the database loses material at times after being updated
i have not lied, you are just not trying to understand what i said and relying on your overly hot head
i am not ignoring cannon, i consider the ingame database as cannon and not any out of game sources. as for your inability to find the entry, as i said, it is probably due to the database updating, try restarting and looking at th new xenosaga 3 database and for the entried i mentioned. im sure the reference for jesus being the original name of yeshua is tehre IN game. and ofcourse, it is a universally known fact that jesus of nazarath's real name was yeshua,you still have not explained that coincidence.
no, the entry was present only initially in the database then disappears as it is updated. you are either looking at the database after many updates as it looked at the end of the game or are using out of games summaries and comilations which are NOTORIOUS for being inconsistant with INGAME stuff. i am positive about the yesua thing because it was what reminded me after years that jesus's real name was yeshua. you can also check it up on the net, jesus's real name was always yeshua. jesus the anointed one was a symbolic name. now do you really think it is just a coincidence that chaos's was named by the developers with the same real name as jesus???????? just answer me that
hm
official guide
or you
who to believe
erm yea apostles. mary was an apostle as was judas etc etc etc. YOU said that chaos was an apostle/follower of the messiah like mary, so im aslking you, which apostle was named yeshua or chaos???????????? NO1! chaos isnt an apostle nor a follower of the messiah, he IS the messiah most probably.
i said he was a disciple
not an Apostle
are you trying to tell me only 12 people followed Jesus ?
every source you have quoted generally happens to be the database provided OUTSIDE the games by the company which are always notorious for inconcistancies.
except you ****ing idiot it's supported right IN THE GAME BY WILHELM
"for those were the words of Yeshua" ie. NOT THE WORDS OF THE MESSIAH/THE LORD
^just stop yapping and restart the game and check out whats written about yeshua/choas. i think it shud be there and this whole thing will be solved. official guide means nothing as i said compared to the ingame guide. your other post i will answer when i get the time. also, you havent really replied to my repy up there.
twelve people were the APOSTLES of jesus, and since mary is an apostle, chaos with all his importance must be too since he was also so close to marry and you claim cud do miracles for the messiah. and yet his name, yeshua, is not of any known apostle or even follower but is the CONFIRMED and UNIVERSALLY UNDERSTOOD real name of jesus christi of nazarath.
^just stop yapping and restart the game and check out whats written about yeshua/choas. i think it shud be there and this whole thing will be solved. official guide means nothing as i said compared to the ingame guide. your other post i will answer when i get the time. also, you havent really replied to my repy up there.
except chaos not being Jesus is flatly stated IN GAME
“It began from the death of the man you worship as your Lord (JESUS) Officially Ormus existed to convey the man’s existence to coming generations. But its true purpose was to manage the words he passed on. The program you call Lemegeton is in fact, those words. It’s a failsafe installed by God that can cause this universe to dissipate. Though it appears the man you call yoru Lord did not know that. Of course, that was to be expected; for those were the words of Yeshua.”
see ?
Jesus = Lord/Messiah
but he did not know the words because they were the words of chaos
and THIS IS DIRECLTY SUPPORTED BY THE OFFICIAL GUIDE
"Ancient Earth. chaos was at the place where a long black haired man would preach. That long-haired man later received belief from a great many people, and is the person who came to be called the Messiah. chaos served as that man's disciple. And he performed various miracles as the long-haired man's proxy. One among them was to leave behind of the Word of God, Lemegeton."
http://www.xenotensei.com/translations/truth_of_xs.html
he simply misread it, B.T.
you see what I posted ?
the in-game quote fits perfectly with the official guide's word
^OFFICIAL GUIDE HAS AS MUCH RELEVANCE HERE AS THE OFFICIAL MARVEL HANDBOOK!!!!!1 dont u GET it?!?!?!?!!? the ingame guide is much more reliable. you are intentionally unwilling to look at the guide the way i told you because it wud prove my point!! it was staed ingame BEFORE, but the status of chaos as jesus becomes more and more proiminant. the game wasnt fully resolved. but in game it does specifically say at a time that yeshua is jesus's original name. also, look at the link for chaos i posted on the other page, it elaborates how chaos might actually be the same messiah. or a counterpart. it is confusing because it isnt resolved, but YESHUA is the messiah whose words are the basis for all the artifacts of god etc.
*hums*
“It began from the death of the man you worship as your Lord (JESUS) Officially Ormus existed to convey the man’s existence to coming generations. But its true purpose was to manage the words he passed on. The program you call Lemegeton is in fact, those words. It’s a failsafe installed by God that can cause this universe to dissipate. Though it appears the man you call yoru Lord did not know that. Of course, that was to be expected; for those were the words of Yeshua.”
see ?
Jesus = Lord/Messiah
but he did not know the words because they were the words of chaos
and THIS IS DIRECLTY SUPPORTED BY THE OFFICIAL GUIDE
"Ancient Earth. chaos was at the place where a long black haired man would preach. That long-haired man later received belief from a great many people, and is the person who came to be called the Messiah. chaos served as that man's disciple. And he performed various miracles as the long-haired man's proxy. One among them was to leave behind of the Word of God, Lemegeton."
http://www.xenotensei.com/translations/truth_of_xs.html
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you say something ?
i was too busy proving i was right with official in-game sources and the official guide published by Namco
^you were too busy being delusional about you being right. dun worry, it happens to the best of us when we dont use real arguments and are trumped again and again. the fact that you wont restart the game is testament to that. and you have not replied to the other points made and jesus's real name being yeshua. and {not that it will get through your ego} as i explained, the ingame database is a lot more reliable than outside sources which are notorious for inconcistancy.
huh
Wilhelm or leonheartmm
who to believe ?
i think i'll go with Wilhelm
and i don't need to restart the game
i have all the sources right in front of me
as for your "other points" like what ?
^OFFICIAL GUIDE HAS AS MUCH RELEVANCE HERE AS THE OFFICIAL MARVEL HANDBOOK!!!!!1 dont u GET it?!?!?!?!!? the ingame guide is much more reliable.
no its not
hell Wilhelm's entry doesn't even mention his role as protector of the universe
several details are left out of the database
It doesn't even mention Voyager died in his bio
or that Yuriev died in his
its full of holes
you are intentionally unwilling to look at the guide the way i told you because it wud prove my point!
not i'm not liar
i'm just using the OFFICIAL guide and Wilhelm
and since NO ENTRY IN THE DATABASE says chaos was the Messiah it doesn't matter
anyway
i'm done with you
i have all the proof
you're wrong
get out of my thread
lmao, childish argumentation. are you really silly enough to not READ what i wrote. i specifically said that data is DELETED in the database at tims after each update. you have missed a lot of the stuff because you were not constantly keeping up with the database. all you are looking at is the database at the END of the game. restart and look please, youll see a lot of entries with different data.
wilhelm's entry doesnt mention his role because his role was only elaborated upon in the end. furthermore, i think it hints to it clearly after yo reload the saved game data. voyager never died truly, jaun sauer easily alborates on that, he was merely stopped from dying by wilhelm. his soul never really left as his body had. the database does mention that yuriev has stayed alive by changing bodies. and even with holes, it still is the most cannon, not the outside sourcs you claim.
lmao, childish argumentation. are you really silly enough to not READ what i wrote. i specifically said that data is DELETED in the database at tims after each update. you have missed a lot of the stuff because you were not constantly keeping up with the database. all you are looking at is the database at the END of the game. restart and look please, youll see a lot of entries with different data.
ah i see
so because you were a liar and the stuff you repeatedly admonished me for not reading at the end of the game doesn't exist it must exist before that ?
very smooth
well not really
wilhelm's entry doesnt mention his role because his role was only elaborated upon in the end. furthermore, i think it hints to it clearly after yo reload the saved game data. voyager never died truly, jaun sauer easily alborates on that, he was merely stopped from dying by wilhelm. his soul never really left as his body had. the database does mention that yuriev has stayed alive by changing bodies. and even with holes, it still is the most cannon, not the outside sourcs you claim.
uh...i was talking about when Caanan killed Voyager
and when Albedo and the rest killed Yuriev
get with the times
and I have OFFICIAL sources on my side
you have nothing
n00bs