Jesus and John

i've heard that historical evidence points to Jesus being a follower of John the Baptist
is this true ?

Originally posted by 123KID
i've heard that historical evidence points to Jesus being a follower of John the Baptist
is this true ?

The bible would seem to support that.

so if Jesus was himself a follower why do people worship him ?
wouldn't it be more appropriate to worship John and make a religion around him ?

actually it doesn't. nowhere does the Bible it say or even imply it. The day he sought John out he asked to be baptised and John proclaimed him as the one greater than he who he had been waiting for. You dont get much plainer than that.

Originally posted by 123KID
i've heard that historical evidence points to Jesus being a follower of John the Baptist
is this true ?

ahh the baptism of jesus, such a contradictory fact.

In what way?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ahh the baptism of jesus, such a contradictory fact.

Here we go...

no no, were not going anywhere. this was discussed and done with a while ago.

to nellinater{jesus wudnt need to be baptised because he was supposed tp be the only sinless one[which is why he was the only one fit to be offered as sacrifice] and baptism washes away the original sin}

Its purely symbolic.

no, it is purely unnecesary. the fact that it was done can not be conveniently explained away. anyhow, back on topic, it doesnt matter cause most of it is paulanity anyway. looks like jesus and john took a back seat.

John was waiting for the Messiah. Now, who said that Jesus was the Messiah? Did Jesus call himself that ever??

The baptism of Jesus seemed completely backwards in John's perspective. He wouldn't have baptized Jesus if Jesus hadn't told him to...because he knew Jesus was the master.

But I do think Jesus learned from mortal examples. He wasn't born with all his qualities at once. He read Jewish history...he probably learned from ancient prophets who he'd only met through his reading of Jewish history, and so it isn't ridiculous to think he learned from his distant cousin whose work preceded his own by a few years.

It just depends what you mean by "follow".

Originally posted by 123KID
i've heard that historical evidence points to Jesus being a follower of John the Baptist
is this true ?

* Jesus is not a follower of John the Baptist... in fact, John said that he is not the Christ, and he is the one who will introduce the Christ...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
{jesus wudnt need to be baptised because he was supposed tp be the only sinless one[which is why he was the only one fit to be offered as sacrifice]

* the baptism of Christ is not needed by Christ Himself, however it was not unnecessary:

"Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."
Matthew 3:13-15

"For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you."
John 13:15

* it is to fulfill all righteousness and to set an example...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and baptism washes away the original sin}

* there is no original sin... based on Christ's baptism, He was not baptized as an infant but as an adult... baptism washes away YOUR sins prior to your baptism and NOT the sin of Adam and Eve... 😉

^wrong, the reason newborn infants are baptised is to wash away the ORIGINAL sin and be born again. seeing as the infant hasnt even lived long enough to commit sins. and you are also suggesting that jesus had sinned prior to his baptism.

and the fact still remains, baptism is not necessary if you have nnot sinned, and jesus was supposedly sinless.

John was a "bapist" Jesus the "messiah" bit of a different in roles there .

Speaking of baptism, if I heard a voice and saw a dove stating that I was special, could I start a following too? 😕

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^wrong,

* we all have different opinions... if it's only opinions, it's okay... but if we base it in the Bible, YOU are wrong, my friend...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the reason newborn infants are baptised is to wash away the ORIGINAL sin and be born again.

* you can never find anyone in the Bible baptized an infant...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
seeing as the infant hasnt even lived long enough to commit sins.

* if infants are not liable for any sin, why are you trying to impute the sin of Adam and Eve to all infants?

* not just infants, but little children also, in fact, are sinless:

"But when Jesus saw it, he was moved with indignation, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me; forbid them not: for to such belongeth the kingdom of God."
Mark 10:14

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and you are also suggesting that jesus had sinned prior to his baptism.

* have you read my post? i said: the baptism not needed by Christ Himself... and also: baptism washes away YOUR sins prior to your baptism and NOT the sin of Adam and Eve...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and the fact still remains, baptism is not necessary if you have nnot sinned, and jesus was supposedly sinless.

* i do believe Jesus is sinless... Jesus do not need baptism, even John knows that:

"Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?"
Matthew 3:13-14

* John hindered Jesus and even said that it was he (John) who needs to be baptized by Jesus...

* but Jesus was baptized, whether you like it or not... why did Jesus wanted to be baptized?

"And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."
Matthew 3:15

"For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you."
John 13:15

* it is to fulfill all righteousness and to set an example... 😉

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Speaking of baptism, if I heard a voice and saw a dove stating that I was special, could I start a following too? 😕

* nope, 😂

but you have not answered my question. why are most babies born in christian families TODAY baptised? and why is it commonly held to wash away the original sin and be born again?