Originally posted by leonheartmmIt's Catholic and Orthodox doctrine. It is generally based off baptisms of whole households in the Bible. This would generally include children.
but you have not answered my question. why are most babies born in christian families TODAY baptised? and why is it commonly held to wash away the original sin and be born again?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes i have{partially, planning to read the whole soon. still contemplating which version to go for. any suggestions?} , and yes there is.
King James is a classic.
The Message is very good. It's the Bible with much more modern prose.
I happen to like the NRSV because that's what I grew up using.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
yea but i dun wan a sugar coated type, i like autheticity. what about the new international version?
Well, like Nellinator said, it is a fairly good translation, but attempts to do your thinking for you, which is especially noticable in the parables of Christ. It is certainly an easy read, but personally, I like to interpret things by myself.
And I really must say, Leon, you also seem like a person who likes to come up with his own conclusions...not just go along with whatever is commonly accepted. You would probably prefer the King James version.
Remember the following at all times in this discussion...
1 At around the time of Jesus there were somewhere near 100 or more "Messiahs" in the middle east.. Jesus, John, Simon Zelotes, Simon Magus, etc.... and their followers were quite fickle...
2 Only the Bible states that John acknowledged Jesus as his superior.... and it would hardly say any different.. evidence suggests that John was the main rival to Jesus, and after his death, this is the sort of propaganda that would be put out to both "convert a" and confound the John faction...
3 The reason infants are baptised today is because it is the thing to do.. like getting married in church even if you've never been in one before...
4 The reason infant baptism began was this... the church wanted a hold on people and their property, so they started telling people"Pay us to baptise your child, or if it dies it will go straight to hell.. and so will you for damning your child..." most people back then couldn't read, or even understand the Latin of the Vulgate, which most services were performed in, so had no way of contradicting the church over this.. and eventually the protection racket became a tradition...
5 It was a long time ago, and unless you can't function without your conspiracy head on, it doesn't really matter...
1) Not messiahs, someone is twisting history to forward an agenda.
2) What evidence? Oh wait, there isn't any suggesting this at all.
3) No, that's not true at all.
4) Wrong, that sort of reasoning only existed after about the 8th century. Infant baptism predates that period by far, plus you don't have to pay for it.
5) Yah, it does matter, and it's actually a very good question.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
but you have not answered my question. why are most babies born in christian families TODAY baptised? and why is it commonly held to wash away the original sin and be born again?
* not Christian... they are Catholic...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes i have{partially, planning to read the whole soon. still contemplating which version to go for. any suggestions?} ,
* King James is a nice version... New/Modern King James, Revised Standard, English Standard and Douay-Rheims are also good... American Standard's New Testament is a-ok... you can also try this Online Bible Source: http://www.addbible.com/
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and yes there is.
* i have already explained to you the purpose why Jesus let Himself baptized by John...
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Speaking of Baptism, the thief on the cross next to Jesus was never baptized and yet Jesus said I say unto you, today you will be with me in paradise,
* the thief was in no position to be baptized in that kind of circumstance...
Originally posted by Deja~vu
or did he say I say unto you today, you will be with me in paradise.Just thought I'd bring it up.
* that is correct... it should have been:
"And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in Paradise."
Luke 23:43
* according to the Bible, the word "paradise" is the third heaven... Jesus never went to heaven immediately after His body/flesh died on the cross...