Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
You can't prove the bolt was more concentrated no more than he can prove it was weaker.
And there you have it.
He also can't prove it was Stronger in the Iroman fight.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Not to mention you're comparing two different Thors.
Which would give us absolutely no proof of the strength in either fight.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I'm well aware of the feat. She didn't become jack. At best, her mind was expanded to both sides of the universe, which is great, but she didn't literally or even figuratively become Eternity, which is my point.
Uhhh, Eternity's consciousness what tranfered to her mind.
She even LOOKED like him. She became Eternity.
You're feeble mind is mostly likely denying the antecedent again, where there is some unrelated qualifier is involved.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
No, actually it was you.I said she took Thor's lightning and Iroman couldn't.
You said the lightning inthe Iroman incident was stronger.
You have to prove that.
Which either implies the blasts were equal or the one Storm took was greater, you provided no proof for either.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
I love how she took Thor's lightning in those scans.Another thing that put's her ABOVE Tony Stark.😂
Originally posted by Silent MasterThat bolt looks about 10 times bigger than the one that hit Storm to tell the truth and no she did not become Eternity you can't deny the text it clearly states she housed the consciousness of Eternity. With all that said The Enchantress still wins.
BTW, notice that Ironman was already injured when Thor hit him with the lightning.
Originally posted by Silent Master
As compared to this:
Originally posted by Larceny
Right?
I think the author's intent may have been very similar actually. But because the IM fight caused a considerable amount of collateral damage the implication would be that there was more power there.
It wouldn't be a durability feat for Storm anyway since she's supposed to simply be immune to the elements she controls not durable enough to withstand them.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
And there you have it.He also can't prove it was Stronger in the Iroman fight.
Which would give us absolutely no proof of the strength in either fight.
In addition, Ironman's gear was already stomped into the ground when he was hit. Even if he had the ability it wouldn't of mattered because it was a pile of crap by then.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Uhhh, Eternity's consciousness what tranfered to her mind.She even LOOKED like him. She became Eternity.
You're feeble mind is mostly likely denying the antecedent again, where there is some unrelated qualifier is involved.
Ehhh... "I are" think "you am" missing some key facts here. The entire point of the operation to repair Eternity's body was it not? Why even bother if he can just hop into another body? It was only Eternity's consciousness transferred to her while his body remained in tact. You're making plot holes and and overlooking critical details to fatten up "ya girl"'s resume. Then throwing down that debate misapplied debate crap you read off wikipedia. You can spew all the latin phrases you want but it's all excuses.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
As compared to this:Right?
I think the author's intent may have been very similar actually. But because the IM fight caused a considerable amount of collateral damage the implication would be that there was more power there.
collateral damage= sloppy, not powerful😬
Which could also be a testament to Thor's lack of control.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It wouldn't be a durability feat for Storm anyway since she's supposed to simply be immune to the elements she controls not durable enough to withstand them.
Ahh, but in a Storm Vs Thor thread, in which only weather manipulation is allowed, it is said that she cannot withstand his "magical lightning"
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
But you can't prove it was Weaker either. It's a question mark.
Correct.
Originally posted by Doctor-AlvisThat's more towards that "Storm did what Ironman couldn't" thing you were getting at. The lightning that Storm absorbed came from classic Thor, which Ironman has also done to supercharge his suit, and the lightning that finished off Ironman came from a Thor that was coming off becoming the new King of Asgard. Yeah, that's still not an indicator of strength but the capacity is much higher in the latter case.
Still no proof, only conjecture.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
In addition, Ironman's gear was already stomped into the ground when he was hit. Even if he had the ability it wouldn't of mattered because it was a pile of crap by then.
"Gear" vs Storm's bare flesh.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
Ehhh... "I are" think "you am" missing some key facts here. The entire point of the operation to repair Eternity's body was it not? Why even bother if he can just hop into another body? It was only Eternity's consciousness transferred to her while his body remained in tact. You're making plot holes and and overlooking critical details to fatten up "ya girl"'s resume. Then throwing down that debate misapplied debate crap you read off wikipedia. You can spew all the latin phrases you want but it's all excuses.
This would all be good if Eternity wasn't an abstact who didn't have a physical body.
Try one more time.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The lightning he hit Ironman with was much more powerful.
You have no proof about this. There is canon that states this as well as the fact that she cannot be directly harmed by any of the weather's manifestations. In other words, lightning hurting Storm is PIS. Storm took Thor's lightning, yes, however, if at anytime she is hurt by lightning, its PIS. Simple as that.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Thank you for admitting it was a spirit feat and not a power feat.
Storm's powers are defined by the strength of her spirit/will and body. Therefore, this definately places her as a major cosmic powerhouse. This is just one more testament to that along with her controlling cosmic winds, summoning the full power of millions of stars, evolving into a being of near-infinite power as Roguestorm with power paralleled to the Dark Phoenix, defeating the Trion, etc. We also know from the 12 storyarc and from X-Treme issue 5 that Storm will one day shed her humanity and transcend into a true goddess.
I have scans of all of these.
Originally posted by Rutog98So this is what she does every fight she is in? No not at all she is not a cosmic powerhouse because of that if i read the next Messiah Complex issue and she solos the Marauders then you have my vote but you can't put her on the same level as Green Laterns, Thor, Silver Surfer, Quasar or even Wonder Woman.
Storm's powers are defined by the strength of her spirit/will and body. Therefore, this definately places her as a major cosmic powerhouse. This is just one more testament to that along with her controlling cosmic winds, summoning the full power of millions of stars, evolving into a being of near-infinite power as Roguestorm with power paralleled to the Dark Phoenix, defeating the Trion, etc. We also know from the 12 storyarc and from X-Treme issue 5 that Storm will one day shed her humanity and transcend into a true goddess.I have scans of all of these.
Originally posted by iceman24567
So this is what she does every fight she is in? No not at all she is not a cosmic powerhouse because of that if i read the next Messiah Complex issue and she solos the Marauders then you have my vote but you can't put her on the same level as Green Laterns, Thor, Silver Surfer, Quasar or even Wonder Woman.
We are talking about the character's power levels, not what "she does in every fight." Truth be told, she's way too powerful to be on the X-Men. The villains are not strong enough to fight her. Therefore, she is not always going to be portrayed as having near-infinite power or even controlling weather on a global scale (which she has done). Claremont really did a good job of explaining this with Roguestorm when Ororo turned down ultimate power when it was in her grasp. However, since then, she has risen to the occassion and tapped into that power though she does not always do so. Keep in mind as well that her humanity tempers her powers. She is limited only because she places limits on herself. She's far more powerful than any on your list though she may not always tap into that much power.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm's powers are defined by the strength of her spirit/will and body.
What comic is this stated in?
BTW, you have already been shown the scans that prove the 'solar winds' was retconned and the galactic core was a one off feat that IIRC almost killed her. and in the Roguestrom example she states Thor could have done it with a thought.