Storm vs. Enchantress

Originally posted by Rutog98
We are talking about the character's power levels, not what "she does in every fight." Truth be told, she's way too powerful to be on the X-Men. The villains are not strong enough to fight her. Therefore, she is not always going to be portrayed as having near-infinite power or even controlling weather on a global scale (which she has done). Claremont really did a good job of explaining this with Roguestorm when Ororo turned down ultimate power when it was in her grasp. However, since then, she has risen to the occassion and tapped into that power though she does not always do so. Keep in mind as well that her humanity tempers her powers. She is limited only because she places limits on herself. She's far more powerful than any on your list though she may not always tap into that much power.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I love how you make excusses for her at every turn the fact that you actually believe she can beat anyody on that list makes me laugh everybody i listed would destroy her she is not on their level in terms of power.

I have not made any excuses but merely pointed out what has already been established in canon.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What comic is this stated in?

BTW, you have already been shown the scans that prove the 'solar winds' was retconned and the galactic core was a one off feat that IIRC almost killed her. and in the Roguestrom example she states Thor could have done it with a thought.

Hmmm. You need to be brought up to date. It was in Uncanny 99 where she summoned the cosmic wind. In the corresponding Classic X-Men issue, it was retconned, you are correct there. However, in the Brood Saga, it was again stated that Storm can control the cosmic wind and she summoned the full power of the galactic core. In the corresponding Classic X-Men issue that came after the retcon of 99, the solar wind was given back to her and they retained her ability to tap into stars. Furthermore, even Lobdell, a noted detractor of Storm, stated that Storm is also Mistress of the Cosmic Storm in canon as well as planetary ones. This is in the 90s. Over the last couple of years, her ability to tap into stars and control the solar winds have been included in her entries of the Official Handbook of Marvel.

In regards to the Thor/Roguestorm thing with the comment about it being easier for him to disperse, you are purposely misreading the issue.

Storm holds herself back especially when working in a planatary atmosphere. When she went "punk", she let go of some her "blocks" and things that were difficult for her when she was "gentle" became much easier owing to her lack of restraint.

This is why when she was Rougestorm, she had such a difficult time stopping that storm she created. Colossus has brought her back to her moral core and she was working within those boundaries when she was trying to disperse that storm that she created as Rougestomr. She would not allow herself to ride roughshod over it. She forced herself to gently disperse it. She does this for the sake of the ecosystem. (However, sometimes she just speaks directly to the storm and commands it to disperse and it does instantly. lol)

Thor, on the other hand, does not have to be so cautious as his hammer does all the work and he does not. All he has to do is tap his hammer the prerequisite time or just will the hammer to do it and that little dohickey does it all.

That said, there are stories where Ororo alters weather on a HUGE scale with just a thought, verbal command or gesture. For instance, even before she joined the X-Men, she dispersed a hemisphere-sized hurricane in "X-Men: The Hidden Years issue 7" with a mere gesture. She has altered weather on a continental scale more than once and globally as well.

As far as powers being limited to her will and body, that's in the official handbook as well.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I love how she took Thor's lightning in those scans.

Another thing that put's her ABOVE Tony Stark.😂

She can take his attack, but he cannot take hers 😄 :

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/...anther25/20.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/...anther25/21.jpg

The only one purposely misreading issues, is you.

This has been brought up multiple times, however you gernally leave and then start making the same claims in another thread in the hopes that people will get tired of correcting you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The only one purposely misreading issues, is you.

This has been brought up multiple times, however you gernally leave and then start making the same claims in another thread in the hopes that people will get tired of correcting you.

I leave because I have a life and cannot always log on here to educate you people about the character. Even Claremont validated me on another board years ago. 😄 He told everyone, "Though Rutog beats everyone over the head with his claims, he is right and much of what he states has been in canon nearly 30 years."

I've been at this a long time. I am secure in what I know and I know that I have right on my side. I can outlast you guys. I take great pride in correcting you Storm detractors. 😄

The "I have a life" tactic, I was wondering when you'd get around to using that one.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I leave because I have a life and cannot always log on here to educate you people about the character. Even Claremont validated me on another board years ago. 😄 He told everyone, "Though Rutog beats everyone over the head with his claims, he is right and much of what he states has been in canon nearly 30 years."

I've been at this a long time. I am secure in what I know and I know that I have right on my side. I can outlast you guys. I take great pride in correcting you Storm detractors. 😄

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I love how she took Thor's lightning in those scans.

Another thing that put's her ABOVE Tony Stark.😂

🙄

Yeah the only deference was that THOR wanted to put IM down and in the same breath THOR didn't want to hurt storm... Other then that they were the same. 🤣

Originally posted by Rutog98
You have no proof about this. There is canon that states this as well as the fact that she cannot be directly harmed by any of the weather's manifestations. In other words, lightning hurting Storm is PIS. Storm took Thor's lightning, yes, however, if at anytime she is hurt by lightning, its PIS. Simple as that.

Originally posted by phillipan
If storm cant get harmed by weather manifestations than does that mean she cant get wet or ripped apart by a tornado, blown away by a gust of wind if she doesnt act... that claim is ridiculous

She cannot be ripped apart by a tornado. She can breathe at any speed and doesn't have to worry about asphixiation or air friction when flying through the air at high velocities unprotected. She can be blown by a gust of wind, but the wind itself will not hurt her. However, if she happens to be blown into a mountainside or something, then that will hurt her. She would not be hurtby the wind itself, but by the mountainside.

Originally posted by iceman24567
We get tired of debating with you Strom fanboys the fact that you think Storm is damn near unbeatable makes impossible to debate with nobody but another Storm fanboy agrees with your claims here so continue being a fanboy happy new year.

Storm is difficult to debate for several reasons. The first and foremost is she can hit power levels cosmic in scope, but she holds herself back. If Storm vs. Thanos happened, Thanos would most likely win, however, there is certainly canon justifying a major victory for Storm where she could cream him as this canon estalishes with the character power levels to win big time. She would just have to be willing to tap into it and have a writer willing to explore that aspect of the character. The foundation is certainly there. It makes her hard to debate.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm is difficult to debate for several reasons. The first and foremost is she can hit power levels cosmic in scope, but she holds herself back. If Storm vs. Thanos happened, Thanos would most likely win, however, there is certainly canon justifying a major victory for Storm where she could cream him as this canon estalishes with the character power levels to win big time. She would just have to be willing to tap into it and have a writer willing to explore that aspect of the character. The foundation is certainly there. It makes her hard to debate.

Not really. Characters fight within the bounds of their personality. People make jokes about people doing ridiculous things with their powers but overall aspects of personality (like holding back) still apply.

I love this. The all powerful Storm humbled...... an quite easily at that. So much for her having more control over the elements than Thor. In fact, so much for her being as powerful as Thor or any top tier for that matter.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not really. Characters fight within the bounds of their personality. People make jokes about people doing ridiculous things with their powers but overall aspects of personality (like holding back) still apply.

True, but the thing is Storm has tapped into this kind of power several times. Hence, she will do it. This is not something that has been only stated with her but never shown.

Fact is, Storm has stated that Thor can do with a thought what she has to strain to do.

Originally posted by Rutog98
True, but the thing is Storm has tapped into this kind of power several times. Hence, she will do it. This is not something that has been only stated with her but never shown.

She doesn't do most if the time even against powerful opponents. That's all that matters.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Hmmm. You need to be brought up to date. It was in Uncanny 99 where she summoned the cosmic wind. In the corresponding Classic X-Men issue, it was retconned, you are correct there. However, in the Brood Saga, it was again stated that Storm can control the cosmic wind and she summoned the full power of the galactic core. In the corresponding Classic X-Men issue that came after the retcon of 99, the solar wind was given back to her and they retained her ability to tap into stars. Furthermore, even Lobdell, a noted detractor of Storm, stated that Storm is also Mistress of the Cosmic Storm in canon as well as planetary ones. This is in the 90s. Over the last couple of years, her ability to tap into stars and control the solar winds have been included in her entries of the Official Handbook of Marvel.

In regards to the Thor/Roguestorm thing with the comment about it being easier for him to disperse, you are purposely misreading the issue.

Storm holds herself back especially when working in a planatary atmosphere. When she went "punk", she let go of some her "blocks" and things that were difficult for her when she was "gentle" became much easier owing to her lack of restraint.

This is why when she was Rougestorm, she had such a difficult time stopping that storm she created. Colossus has brought her back to her moral core and she was working within those boundaries when she was trying to disperse that storm that she created as Rougestomr. She would not allow herself to ride roughshod over it. She forced herself to gently disperse it. She does this for the sake of the ecosystem. (However, sometimes she just speaks directly to the storm and commands it to disperse and it does instantly. lol)

Thor, on the other hand, does not have to be so cautious as his hammer does all the work and he does not. All he has to do is tap his hammer the prerequisite time or just will the hammer to do it and that little dohickey does it all.

That said, there are stories where Ororo alters weather on a HUGE scale with just a thought, verbal command or gesture. For instance, even before she joined the X-Men, she dispersed a hemisphere-sized hurricane in "X-Men: The Hidden Years issue 7" with a mere gesture. She has altered weather on a continental scale more than once and globally as well.

As far as powers being limited to her will and body, that's in the official handbook as well.

It's funny how they can never dispute this analysis, yet want us to believe that Thor lightning was more powerful based on how it LOOKED and a bunch of other unrelated factors😂

The scans above clearly indicate that things become easier simply because she's in a different state of mind.

Claremont backs this when he states that the reason Storm was able to harness the composite energy of the core was because she had no CONCEPTION of her limitations and she was a suicide mission.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Fact is, Storm has stated that Thor can do with a thought what she has to strain to do.

What she strained to do because she forced herself to work gently with the forces of nature. What you are using is guile. You are leaving out details to paint a picture that is false and distorts the spirit of the events and circumstances.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
She doesn't do most if the time even against powerful opponents. That's all that matters.