Superman vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by carver9
It took speed AND skill to do what Wonder did. I don't care how skilled Superman is, he isn't going to stand in one spot and dodge everything Zod throws at him.

Never said he went all out against her either. It's obvious Flash holds back against both since his speed fts poops on theirs.

For one you'd have to argue they were fighting at super speed. I suppose the prior narration could be argued "writer's intent." But anyways you tried to argue it as some pure speed example. If they're fighting at super speed, certainly speed is a factor, but it was emphasized as a skill feat. And your analogy of Cap and Spider-Man isn't that great, because there's a much bigger speed gap. Superman probably could dodge Zod like that if he choose, but that's not his style. You keep bringing-up what Superman WOULDN'T do as if he could NOT. Superman's speed feats are simply better, and we have his reaction time being used when they and Batman have their minds linked.

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI said Flash and Wonder never raced which was a complete lie. Wonder Woman on her best day couldn't beat Flash in a race.

Perhaps he meant a REAL race like several Superman and Flash have had?

Originally posted by carver9
Last posts tonight on this and I will respond tomorrow to you Rao.

Someone stated that Power Girl was faster. In the same comic, when Wonder Woman stopped holding back, Power Girl couldn't touch her. Wonder Woman dodged her blows with ease.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67985/1249944-wonder_woman__41___page_14.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/67985/1249951-wonder_woman__41___page_15.jpg

Lol at Wonder Woman and Flash not racing each other. Even though it was a short run, she kept up with him just fine.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7604/741948-jla43pg078pu.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7604/741949-jla43pg081oz.jpg

She even creates a vortex with running at super speed.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7604/741950-jla43pg095ou.jpg

Had to correct someone's post that is trying to lowball. ABHI, stay out of this, no one tried to lowball anything until you showed up. Please don't change this debating style because this can go down south for both.

So now we don't use her own words? And that was her skills that made her dodge PG's blows. PG was actually blitzing her when she was using her actual speed.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/70790/1766714-pg_vs_ww_4.jpg

And that was a playful Wally who was later showing that he was actually holding back not to embarrass her. When actual speed came, she was literally frozen.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/halfmilp.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/halfmilp2.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/halfmilp3.jpg

Under the same writer.

We've already seen Barry running so fast she couldn't react to him.

So yeah, shut up.

Originally posted by carver9
In the beginning, yes, she was using her wake but where do you see WW at in this scan?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15711959/WWPlus1JesseQuick-31_zps2d824ddc.jpg.html

She isn't even there. She caught up to them and then tied her up. Wake had nothing to do with that.

facepalm

Carver thinks WW is really fast because he is used to see things in slow mo in Marvel comics 😛

Originally posted by Delta1938
For one you'd have to argue they were fighting at super speed. I suppose the prior narration could be argued "writer's intent." But anyways you tried to argue it as some pure speed example. If they're fighting at super speed, certainly speed is a factor, but it was emphasized as a skill feat. And your analogy of Cap and Spider-Man isn't that great, because there's a much bigger speed gap. Superman probably could dodge Zod like that if he choose, but that's not his style. You keep bringing-up what Superman WOULDN'T do as if he could NOT. Superman's speed feats are simply better, and we have his reaction time being used when they and Batman have their minds linked.

Perhaps he meant a REAL race like several Superman and Flash have had?

I'm not seeing anything better yet. Majority of the scans that are posted revolves around flight. No one is saying Wonder Woman is faster in the raw speed area, I said her REFLEXES are better. I haven't seen a single scan that's better than Diana reflex showings i provided against Superman himself and Amazo who powers were stacked with Supes and Wonder. I haven't seen anything that out beat the stars that she blocked. NOTHING. You can continue to post him ripping off suits and him flying around in circles all you want but that doesn't have a thing to do with someone's reflex.

Aaaahhhhh, here we go with the real or fake argument again. I guess they weren't racing then. Rao, I am going to send you a PM, let me know if you are ok with it. I will send something to Galan as well because I want to include him since I trust his opinion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF? She can't keep up with Jessie when she is at normal speed but she can catch up with Jessie when she is amped a hundredfold?

facepalm

Where in any of those scans did she say she couldn't keep up with her. She said she is cheating, she never said she couldn't keep up with her. Go to sleep. I'm trying so hard not to go the route you are going in this debate. I truly am. Stop the lowballing.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not seeing anything better yet. Majority of the scans that are posted revolves around flight. No one is saying Wonder Woman is faster in the raw speed area, I said her REFLEXES are better. I haven't seen a single scan that's better than Diana reflex showings i provided against Superman himself and Amazo who powers were stacked with Supes and Wonder. I haven't seen anything that out beat the stars that she blocked. NOTHING. You can continue to post him ripping off suits and him flying around in circles all you want but that doesn't have a thing to do with someone's reflex.

Aaaahhhhh, here we go with the real or fake argument again. I guess they weren't racing then. Rao, I am going to send you a PM, let me know if you are ok with it. I will send something to Galan as well because I want to include him since I trust his opinion.

👆

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not seeing anything better yet. Majority of the scans that are posted revolves around flight. No one is saying Wonder Woman is faster in the raw speed area, I said her REFLEXES are better. I haven't seen a single scan that's better than Diana reflex showings i provided against Superman himself and Amazo who powers were stacked with Supes and Wonder. I haven't seen anything that out beat the stars that she blocked. NOTHING. You can continue to post him ripping off suits and him flying around in circles all you want but that doesn't have a thing to do with someone's reflex.

Aaaahhhhh, here we go with the real or fake argument again. I guess they weren't racing then. Rao, I am going to send you a PM, let me know if you are ok with it. I will send something to Galan as well because I want to include him since I trust his opinion.

Even if her reflexes were better, and I said IF, you really think the gap is enough that it would make her move far faster than Superman?

Because we both know you can't prove that. Hell, half the scans you posted on her behalf weren't even that good in the first place.

Just thought about it, I will send you the PM tomorrow, don't want you and someone going into PM mode discussing my PM and cheating.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Even if her reflexes were better, and I said IF, you really think the gap is enough that it would make her move far faster than Superman?

Because we both know you can't prove that. Hell, half the scans you posted on her behalf weren't even that good in the first place.

Never said FAR better but they are better.

Huh? They're not good? I'm done tonight, possibly done in this thread. I will talk more on this later.

Originally posted by carver9
Never said FAR better but they are better.

Huh? They're not good? I'm done tonight, possibly done in this thread. I will talk more on this later.

You haven't even remotely proven that.

Some of them were. A good portion weren't. Also, nice of you to post a scan of Amazo without his speed, trying to pass it off as him having it.

Originally posted by carver9
Just thought about it, I will send you the PM tomorrow, don't want you and someone going into PM mode discussing my PM and cheating.

I will not do that, if you don't want to, or if it bothers you.

Actually let me tell you something here, when I was judging for Abhi and Existere, I did not discuss the judging with anyone just because I did not wanted to get influenced by outside opinions.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not seeing anything better yet. Majority of the scans that are posted revolves around flight. No one is saying Wonder Woman is faster in the raw speed area, I said her REFLEXES are better. I haven't seen a single scan that's better than Diana reflex showings i provided against Superman himself and Amazo who powers were stacked with Supes and Wonder. I haven't seen anything that out beat the stars that she blocked. NOTHING. You can continue to post him ripping off suits and him flying around in circles all you want but that doesn't have a thing to do with someone's reflex.

Aaaahhhhh, here we go with the real or fake argument again. I guess they weren't racing then. Rao, I am going to send you a PM, let me know if you are ok with it. I will send something to Galan as well because I want to include him since I trust his opinion.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20speed/Reflexes-Reaction%20Time-Time%20Perception/AOS%20603

That is a flight speed example, but also a time perception example. And the distance traveled gives some us SOME kind of measure of how fast he was going.

That scene happens in ROUGHLY a nanosecond. Wasn't exactly a nanosecond, but roughly one. Superman has that dialogue in his head about the baby, then we see the distance he flies after that conversation. Light moves about a foot in a nanosecond(we'll ignore that being in a vacuum, or at least I think that's it). How many feet do you think Superman traveled there? By the way, time perception is slower than reaction time.

Originally posted by carver9
Where in any of those scans did she say she couldn't keep up with her. She said she is cheating, she never said she couldn't keep up with her. Go to sleep. I'm trying so hard not to go the route you are going in this debate. I truly am. Stop the lowballing.

Are you for real?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15711956/WWPlus1JesseQuick-25_zps778c99b6.jpg.html

Read it again.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not seeing anything better yet. Majority of the scans that are posted revolves around flight. No one is saying Wonder Woman is faster in the raw speed area, I said her REFLEXES are better. I haven't seen a single scan that's better than Diana reflex showings i provided against Superman himself and Amazo who powers were stacked with Supes and Wonder. I haven't seen anything that out beat the stars that she blocked. NOTHING. You can continue to post him ripping off suits and him flying around in circles all you want but that doesn't have a thing to do with someone's reflex.

Aaaahhhhh, here we go with the real or fake argument again. I guess they weren't racing then. Rao, I am going to send you a PM, let me know if you are ok with it. I will send something to Galan as well because I want to include him since I trust his opinion.

Wally outraces HV and Superman is still just behind him in the race.

And that Amazo didn't had flash's speed or any speed for that matter. It was Amazo's brain in Red Tornado's body. Read the comic FFS.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You haven't even remotely proven that.

Some of them were. A good portion weren't. Also, nice of you to post a scan of Amazo without his speed, trying to pass it off as him having it.

He had the JLA powers...by default, he already has super speed. I shouldn't have to post speed fts since we know he possess it. In the same scan i post it stated he had the league powers.

So, is anyone else coming to WW's rescue or is it carver's denial only?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, is anyone else coming to WW's rescue or is it carver's denial only?

Blue's?

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

Are you for real?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15711956/WWPlus1JesseQuick-25_zps778c99b6.jpg.html

Read it again.
Lulz. You know Superman has actually moved faster than Heat Vision, right?

Wally outraces HV and Superman is still just behind him in the race.

And that Amazo didn't had flash's speed or any speed for that matter. It was Amazo's brain in Red Tornado's body. Read the comic FFS.

Again, where in that scan did Wonder Woman say she wasn't fast enough to keep up with her? She said she was CHEATING, taking advantage of an opportunity. She didn't say she did that because she was to slow, she said she did that because she was cheating. We then see that she is fast enough to catch up with her because in one panel, we don't even see Wonder Woman and then all of a sudden, Wonder Woman rope is tied around her stopping her from entering the speed force. Read and comprehend your own scans.

I'm not seeing heat vision being outraced in that scan.

It stated Amazo had their powers in the scan I posted.

Originally posted by carver9
He had the JLA powers...by default, he already has super speed. I shouldn't have to post speed fts since we know he possess it. In the same scan i post it stated he had the league powers.

In that incarnation of Amazo, he had to analyze each encounter, and determine a proper counter. Which the processing was not done at super speed, at least the level of speed you're arguing(you could argue his CPU goes faster than a normal human brain, but I'm not buying Flash or Superman level, maybe not even Wonder Woman). She caught him while he was still analyzing, he had not yet determined counters. So, it's a good feat for her, but no, it's not what you're trying to argue. At ALL.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, is anyone else coming to WW's rescue or is it carver's denial only?

Wonder Woman isn't a Marvel character, so JBL has no reason to come in screaming, "I CAN BE YOUR HERO BAAAY-BAY!! I CAN KISS AWAY THE PAIN!!" then start stuttering something to Kitty-Kat about Kitty takes his breath away/

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Blue's?

Carter's best hope!! Which, well, will go well for Carter. In HIS mind. Because he'll automatically cheerlead whoever white knights him and say they're owning no matter how ethered their anus is. I almost feel bad with all 4 of us taking our turns with Kitty-Kat, but he brings it on him. He's doing the same shit Fangirl does elsewhere, but with less passion. But just as piss-poor a job. Seriously, I'm having dejavu.