Superman vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by carver9
The previous page but it's not needed. Diana ties Amazo up before HE could even react.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111129725/3963009-wonder+woman+ties+up+amazo+in+less+than+a+second.jpg

That's a good showing for her, but of course your poor interpretation skills makes it far better than it actually is in your head. Amazo had to access the situation first. He was at normal speed. Of course it's good 'cuz she out-raced his processing ability, but I'm sure you think it's her beating his super speed.

Originally posted by carver9
How about this beauty? Diana blocking light from all directions.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/3962992-wonderwomanblockslightfromalldirections_zpsc42a6df0.jpg

Hell, she was so fast that even while blind she was able to deflect bullets from all angles.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/1300737-wonder_woman_v2__215___page_2_zpsa9732ab8.jpg.html

Diana reflexes are the best. I can go on and on and on with scans proving this but it's a waste. Like I've stated before, she has blocked heat vision with ease, and dodged it, something that I can't see too many Heralds doing (outside of Flash) including Superman.

That first scan is a good one for her too, but I don't believe it was actually light she's blocking.

Second, again good for her, but not really that big of a deal. Superman painting a room in seconds is more impressive, and there's a lot more examples, that are better too.

Originally posted by Delta1938
That's a good showing for her, but of course your poor interpretation skills makes it far better than it actually is in your head. Amazo had to access the situation first. He was at normal speed. Of course it's good 'cuz she out-raced his processing ability, but I'm sure you think it's her beating his super speed.

That first scan is a good one for her too, but I don't believe it was actually light she's blocking.

Second, again good for her, but not really that big of a deal. Superman painting a room in seconds is more impressive, and there's a lot more examples, that are better too.

During the time, as stated in the scan, he had Superman power stacked onto the rest of the JLA and She tied him up completely in less than the blink of an eye. Hell, he was tied up before Superman approached him. Hellava showing of reflexes.

Lol...you do know what those stats had to cross to get to Diana right? It's most def a far above light speed reflex showing.

So Superman can paint a room while blind? Scans.

Let's add to it...while blind, aka, BLIND, she was able to keep up with Flash.

http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/batdetect-wwblindjla.jpg.html

Next up, her being blind but still having the speed to tie Zoom up, who admitted he was going light speed during the time.

Why this has so many pages? In character Superman wins a tough fight.

CBR style... he wins easily.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You don't think she's even a low herald? Really?

I've honestly never thought of her as one to be honest with you. I've always thought she was one of the most formidable beings on DC Earth but not herald-level. All heralds wield the power cosmic right? Even the lower ones? Maybe I've just been wrong all these years in my assumptions of how powerful the heralds are since it seems some people even think Namor and Iron Man are herald-level. LOL. WW would beat both of them without much trouble. So, as I said in other post I will concede on this matter. Doesn't change the fact though that Superman himself beats WW badly.

Originally posted by Squirtle
Why this has so many pages? In character Superman wins a tough fight.

CBR style... he wins easily.

Some people are just stubborn that's why.... Even "in character" he wins pretty reliably.

Originally posted by Star428
Even "in character" he wins pretty reliably.

I dunno, he holds back a lot... and she's someone he loves.

Amazo again, stated on panel before this scene that he has ALL of the JLA powers (minus Flash), including Supes powers and he can't lay a glove on her with his heat vision.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3432775-wonder+woman+blocks+heat+vision+2.jpg

Superman himself tries to hit her with heat vision.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3432774-wonder+woman+blocks+heat+vision+1.jpg

Tries it again.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/wwreaction.jpg.html

I'm not posting all of them but, I think the point has been given. Wonder Woman reflexes are unmatched.

Originally posted by Star428
I saw nothing in that brief fight that would make me believe she could beat him in an extended fight. Both CM and BA have Superman-level stats in every category or at least they did last time I was reading comics. Maybe neither one of them has been upgraded while Superman has? WW is clearly below Superman-level. Actually, I'd bet Maxima is probably closer to Superman-level than WW is.

I scanned-over some of the posts in the Captain Marvel vs WW thread and read some poster's comments about them fighting in "Virtue and Vice" and that she was able to lasso a mind-controlled CM. While that's impressive, I think we can all agree that being under the influence of MC slows said character down. When Batman was nearly killed by a MC Superman on Apokolips a while back he thought to himself after dodging Clark's first attack, "He slow. Desaad's control has dulled him". So, there is a precedent for MC characters being slower than usual. I seriously doubt Diana could get the lasso around a CM who is in his right mind just as she couldn't do it to Clark, either... and BA? He naturally doesn't hold back nearly as much as CA or Superman does. He'd cream her bad.

I do put Maxima above Wonder Woman in overall power, but I put WW above Maxima in physical stats.

It was actually Green Arrow who beat Captain Marvel, using Wonder Woman's lasso. And I dunno if I'd call it mind controlled. Him and other JLA/JSA members were being influenced/possessed(can't remember which) by the 7 Deadly Sins. More like either their personalities were effected or the Sins were actually in control instead of "commanding."

Originally posted by carver9
During the time, as stated in the scan, he had Superman power stacked onto the rest of the JLA and She tied him up completely in less than the blink of an eye. Hell, he was tied up before Superman approached him. Hellava showing of reflexes.

Lol...you do know what those stats had to cross to get to Diana right? It's most def a far above light speed reflex showing.

So Superman can paint a room while blind? Scans.

Let's add to it...while blind, aka, BLIND, she was able to keep up with Flash.

http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/batdetect-wwblindjla.jpg.html

Next up, her being blind but still having the speed to tie Zoom up, who admitted he was going light speed during the time.

The very scan you showed had him having to stop and assess the situation. It's a good speed showing, definitely, but you are, like usual, blowing it out of proportion. Whether it's dishonesty or you just suck at interpretation that much is something I don't care to figure out now.

"Pieces of a shattered god," a mystical thing, so you know it HAS to be what you're claiming it to be because....?

I never said while blind. Doesn't matter, considering the amount of time it would take.

You act like Flash was going at some exceptional speed there?

THAT would actually be good, but Superman's got better stuff than that.

Originally posted by carver9
Amazo again, stated on panel before this scene that he has ALL of the JLA powers (minus Flash), including Supes powers and he can't lay a glove on her with his heat vision.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3432775-wonder+woman+blocks+heat+vision+2.jpg

Superman himself tries to hit her with heat vision.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3432774-wonder+woman+blocks+heat+vision+1.jpg

Tries it again.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/wwreaction.jpg.html

I'm not posting all of them but, I think the point has been given. Wonder Woman reflexes are unmatched.

First one is good, but not better than Superman's stuff.

uh Isn't that from when Wonder Woman just got her powers back, and, ya know, he was TESTING her? That's no big deal and shows you intentionally leaving-out context, you posting scans you're ignorant of, or how much you just plain suck and putting together an argument.

REALLY? Him unaware she's even THERE because of Maxwell Lord's telepathy? That's even worse than the training scan. Hell, you should have put them in reverse if you're going to have two weak examples and a good one.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I do put Maxima above Wonder Woman in overall power, but I put WW above Maxima in physical stats.

It was actually Green Arrow who beat Captain Marvel, using Wonder Woman's lasso. And I dunno if I'd call it mind controlled. Him and other JLA/JSA members were being influenced/possessed(can't remember which) by the 7 Deadly Sins. More like either their personalities were effected or the Sins were actually in control instead of "commanding."

The very scan you showed had him having to stop and assess the situation. It's a good speed showing, definitely, but you are, like usual, blowing it out of proportion. Whether it's dishonesty or you just suck at interpretation that much is something I don't care to figure out now.

"Pieces of a shattered god," a mystical thing, so you know it HAS to be what you're claiming it to be because....?

I never said while blind. Doesn't matter, considering the amount of time it would take.

You act like Flash was going at some exceptional speed there?

THAT would actually be good, but Superman's got better stuff than that.

Read. From every where did the stars come from?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111129725/3962990-wonder+woman+blocks+light+from+all+directions+1.jpg

What does the stars being mystical have to do with anything? Please don't pick and choose because I will use it against you.

Originally posted by Delta1938
First one is good, but not better than Superman's stuff.

uh Isn't that from when Wonder Woman just got her powers back, and, ya know, he was TESTING her? That's no big deal and shows you intentionally leaving-out context, you posting scans you're ignorant of, or how much you just plain suck and putting together an argument.

REALLY? Him unaware she's even THERE because of Maxwell Lord's telepathy? That's even worse than the training scan. Hell, you should have put them in reverse if you're going to have two weak examples and a good one.

What Superman reflex stuff?

So he wasn't trying to hit her with heat vision?

So in the last scan, he wasn't trying to hit her with heat vision?

Stop being full of excuses.

Originally posted by carver9
Seen by who? What reflex movements was he doing during the time he wasn't seen because that's exactly what I am talking about here.

Lets start the bombing, He he defeats a whole army with out being seeing

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lets start the bombing, He he defeats a whole army with out being seeing

Moving faster than the human eye can see? 👆

Good showing but not even comparable to anything I've shown.

That scan of WW deflecting energy blasts is nothing Supes couldn't accomplish. Give him her bracelets and he could do the same thing only easier and probably without his full concentration as it takes WW in that scan. As for Amazo not being able to "lay a glove" on her with the combined powers of JLA minus Flash he probably hadn't had time to become proficient with all their powers yet. You still haven't shown anything she's done that Superman couldn't do better.

Originally posted by carver9
Read. From every where did the stars come from?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111129725/3962990-wonder+woman+blocks+light+from+all+directions+1.jpg

What does the stars being mystical have to do with anything? Please don't pick and choose because I will use it against you.

What do you mean "stars?"

Originally posted by carver9
What Superman reflex stuff?

So he wasn't trying to hit her with heat vision?

So in the last scan, he wasn't trying to hit her with heat vision?

Stop being full of excuses.

I guess you don't understand "time perception" and what it has to do with reacting.

Quit trying to twist me pointing-out your failings into wins. Him testing her would mean he's going easy. It's not bad, but not what you're trying to argue.

How stupid it is that you post her blocking a single burst of heat vision when Max's telepathy keeps him from even knowing she's there, you omitting all context and then trying to defend yourself.

Here is another one

Here he fixes a building with in moments, Notice He went to the get the materials also and this is a complex task

Another one

Removes the armor from a guy with in moments, notice this is almost an attack from ALL SIDES

Here he catches Diana's sword

Moving hands really fast

Reacts to light

Here he attacks starbreaker from multiple angles

moving faster than Jay

Blitzing CM

Originally posted by Delta1938
What do you mean "stars?"

I guess you don't understand "time perception" and what it has to do with reacting.

Quit trying to twist me pointing-out your failings into wins. Him testing her would mean he's going easy. It's not bad, but not what you're trying to argue.

How stupid it is that you post her blocking a single burst of heat vision when Max's telepathy keeps him from even knowing she's there, you omitting all context and then trying to defend yourself.

Your adding nothing to this and this will be my last post on this topic.

Makes sense. He slowed his heat vision down and the burst that was aimed at her face was an error on his part.

I posted it because she blocked heat vision, something that Superman has had trouble doing. We are done here. The only thing I got from you was, Nu uh, yeah, that's alright but Superman got better, he wasn't even trying to hit her. Yeah, I proved my point. Everyone, please continue on who would win between Superman and Wonder Woman.

No need to respond Delta.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Here is another one

Here he fixes a building with in moments, Notice He went to the get the materials also and this is a complex task

Another one

Removes the armor from a guy with in moments, notice this is almost an attack from ALL SIDES

Here he catches Diana's sword

Moving hands really fast

Reacts to light

Here he attacks starbreaker from multiple angles

moving faster than Jay

Blitzing CM

This guy will always be my favorite Superman fan. He gets what is going on here. I will read this in a min..playing COD.

Originally posted by carver9
Your adding nothing to this and this will be my last post on this topic.

Makes sense. He slowed his heat vision down and the burst that was aimed at her face was an error on his part.

I posted it because she blocked heat vision, something that Superman has had trouble doing. We are done here. The only thing I got from you was, Nu uh, yeah, that's alright but Superman got better, he wasn't even trying to hit her. Yeah, I proved my point. Everyone, please continue on who would win between Superman and Wonder Woman.

No need to respond Delta.

So you trying to save face, got it.

I don't think you're intentionally twisting my point, but legitimately miss it. I'm not saying he slowed-down the HEAT VISION, but isn't as "rapid fire" as if, ya know, he were to actually attack her. Since he's testing her powers being restored.

So you post something that even if we were to take it at face value, isn't very good and should've been at the beginning. But no, you left it out of context.

You want something? Here. I'll be waiting for you to ask for me to explain it.

http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20speed/Reflexes-Reaction%20Time-Time%20Perception/AOS%20603

500 bullets with the flash

Perception in slow motion

Here he turns coal into diamond with superspeed, do you know how long it takes for that to happen?

Here he take Lois away from Ultraman before he notices it

Here he keeps up with Wally's reflexes

BTW outreacting the Human eye is something Wally does a lot

Catching IIRC Artemis before she can react, look at how clueless WW looks