just PLEASE put him on ignore so i don't have to read any of his asinine comments, and i don't have to watch as people are drawn into his trawling vessel....
she would put up a fight, obviously, but everyone knows he wins nearly every time. i honestly can't believe this thread has stayed open because by this time it is common knowledge that superman>wonder woman. shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
just PLEASE put him on ignore so i don't have to read any of his asinine comments, and i don't have to watch as people are drawn into his trawling vessel....she would put up a fight, obviously, but everyone knows he wins nearly every time. i honestly can't believe this thread has stayed open because by this time it is common knowledge that superman>wonder woman. shrug
Are you some sort of sacred holier then thou cow? People who want to debate are free to do so and you are free to look the other way. No charge.
Originally posted by leonidas
just PLEASE put him on ignore so i don't have to read any of his asinine comments, and i don't have to watch as people are drawn into his trawling vessel....she would put up a fight, obviously, but everyone knows he wins nearly every time. i honestly can't believe this thread has stayed open because by this time it is common knowledge that superman>wonder woman. shrug
Nah, I think it could go both ways.
Originally posted by leonidas
you honestly think they split wins? given all we've seen between them, i'm not sure how anyone could feel that way, but i guess that's what keeps the thread open. 👆
On the old DC boards, I saw a Wonder Woman fangirl claim, "She's just as strong as him, just as fast and just tough. And since she's a better fighter, that means she can kick his ass any time she wants to." And she actually believed all that.
Bluewaterrider also thinks she's stronger than Superman.
Dat Internet.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Even though he's well above her?
Didn't you use their fight in the Sacrifice arc? That certainly isn't enough to prove Superman would beat Wonder Woman, seeing how she managed to hold him off and make it a pretty even match.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? We've seen someone with a fraction of his power oneshot her and Batman with his powers backhanding her from Moon to earth which she never returned from to join the fight again? Or superman actually oneshotting her with HV?
The only character you mentioned that matters is Superman, not other people using his powers. We've seen many times where he and Wonder Woman had pretty close fights and because they are usually so close, you should be able to understand why some people can see it going both ways.
Originally posted by Delta1938She held back but I never said she was as strong as he is. She is strong enough to hurt him. This is a fight between a man and a woman making your kickball posts even more ironic.
She sneaks-up on him, bashes him in the ears with her bracelets and kicks him in the head and slams his head to the ground and still can't KO him. She's not as strong as you're arguing, and he's more than capable of avoiding her weapons under normal circumstances.Why would I be upset at you pretending to be so manly but you play kickball with girls? That makes me laugh, not get upset. Being a weak male playing kickball against girls must be why you think so highly of Wonder Woman here.
I do think Superman is stronger and more durable but think she wins a slight majority due to her weapons and skill advantage.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Didn't you use their fight in the Sacrifice arc? That certainly isn't enough to prove Superman would beat Wonder Woman, seeing how she managed to hold him off and make it a pretty even match.The only character you mentioned that matters is Superman, not other people using his powers. We've seen many times where he and Wonder Woman had pretty close fights and because they are usually so close, you should be able to understand why some people can see it going both ways.
If you go back a few pages you'll see why the SACRIFICE fight is actually such a damning example for the Wonder Woman side. They have to be delusional or ignore context to see it any other way than Wonder Woman was greatly below her.
And explain how Abhi's examples don't count when they're people with Superman's power?
Originally posted by quanchi112
She held back but I never said she was as strong as he is. She is strong enough to hurt him. This is a fight between a man and a woman making your kickball posts even more ironic.I do think Superman is stronger and more durable but think she wins a slight majority due to her weapons and skill advantage.
Yes, because nobody ignores what Wonder Woman actually said at all.
And I'm being nice by not bringing-up the girls beating you up when you talk shit to them to try and psych them out.
Originally posted by Delta1938Yes, so she is strong enough to hurt him just like I said. Thanks for backing me up.
If you go back a few pages you'll see why the SACRIFICE fight is actually such a damning example for the Wonder Woman side. They have to be delusional or ignore context to see it any other way than Wonder Woman was greatly below her.And explain how Abhi's examples don't count when they're people with Superman's power?
Yes, because nobody ignores what Wonder Woman actually said at all.
And I'm being nice by not bringing-up the girls beating you up when you talk shit to them to try and psych them out.
Originally posted by Delta1938
If you go back a few pages you'll see why the SACRIFICE fight is actually such a damning example for the Wonder Woman side. They have to be delusional or ignore context to see it any other way than Wonder Woman was greatly below her.And explain how Abhi's examples don't count when they're people with Superman's power?
Yes, because nobody ignores what Wonder Woman actually said at all.
And I'm being nice by not bringing-up the girls beating you up when you talk shit to them to try and psych them out.
She is still holding back though. No matter how you put it, she said she was holder her strength back. Superman did not feel her full power and during that scene, even though she held back, she was still winning.
Originally posted by Delta1938
If you go back a few pages you'll see why the SACRIFICE fight is actually such a damning example for the Wonder Woman side. They have to be delusional or ignore context to see it any other way than Wonder Woman was greatly below her.
Maybe you should direct me to that specific page.
Originally posted by Delta1938
And explain how Abhi's examples don't count when they're people with Superman's power?
Because Wonder Woman has fought Superman himself and it makes a lot more sense to use that than to use other people who just simply had Supes's power. The numerous times they actually fought each other? You can't ask for more than that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, so she is strong enough to hurt him just like I said. Thanks for backing me up.
Just like usual, you require ignoring things. Figures since you need to go in your own fantasy world to feel better about playing against girls.
Originally posted by carver9
She is still holding back though. No matter how you put it, she said she was holder her strength back. Superman did not feel her full power and during that scene, even though she held back, she was still winning.
It figures kitty cat that you'd disappear until you hoped I forgot about my posts that destroyed you.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Maybe you should direct me to that specific page.Because Wonder Woman has fought Superman himself and it makes a lot more sense to use that than to use other people who just simply had Supes's power. The numerous times they actually fought each other? You can't ask for more than that.
Ya know what? I'll just repost it. It was posted to Carter, but of course he dodged it.
And if you actually know the Superman/Wonder Woman fights, you'd see how blatantly above her he is. Those other examples simply support this. I'll post how the SACRIFICE fight went, gimme a min.
From page 66.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=473829&pagenumber=66
Just so people can follow and see how carter ran away.
Originally posted by Delta1938
OK Kitty-Cat. Branny covered a lot of stuff I'll be pointing-out, but I'll be going into detail and showing you the full fight."She held back" and "Superman was all-out." These are two things that are cited out of context. I'll get to the "she held back" part later, but I'll cover the "Superman went all-out" now.
Now, yes, Superman was enraged, thinking Wonder Woman was Doomsday, and Doomsday had just killed Lois. But, it's not quite how you make it out. He wanted Doomsday to suffer, first.
So, going by that, while Superman was enraged and wanted to kill, he couldn't QUITE be going all-out if he wanted to make her(believing she was Doomsday) suffer first. But anyways, onto the fight.
You claim Superman has "small" strength advantage. The very fight started with Superman grabbing her by the throat and dragging her into space.
See how her hands are on his wrists? Well, what she's ATTEMPTING to do is very much the same technique as the choke defense of Krav Maga(and I'm sure other reality based self-defense Martial Arts). This technique actually lets you break the grip of a STRONGER attacker.
Considering that you can break the grip of a stronger opponent with the technique that Diana is attempting to use, and she's not able to succeed, and this was before the "possible amp," either Superman is significantly stronger than her, or Amazons are significantly inferior fighters to Israeli soldiers and cops.
Now, it does APPEAR that they're near the Sun when Diana uses eye gouging and apparently a knee to the groin to get out of the choke, but the metal box(almost certainly lead) doesn't melt.
This coupled with the fact that nothing about him being Sun amped or stronger than normal or anything like that mentioned leads me to believe they were in space, but not near the Sun like everybody assumes. Anyways, back to showing the fight.
Diana tries to use the Kryptonite on Superman, to no real effect.
He one-shot KOs her. People try to argue it's a "flash KO" and she was barely unconscious. But they leave-out Diana's own narration that it's reentry heat that wakes her up. She doesn't recover on her own. Not to mention, look how long she's down and out of the fight until she finally gets up, despite being conscious.
Originally posted by Delta1938
[B]CONTINUEDSo, then she sneaks-up on him and bashes his hears with her bracelets.
And then starts attacking him.
Now, remember when I brought-up the whole "she was holding back" thing people take out of context? Yeah, go ahead and read what she says after "I hold back." Done? She says, "Barely." She said "Barely ." Now Superman didn't quite go all-out, wanting Doomsday to suffer, and Wonder Woman barely held back. Not quite what you made it out to be, was it?
Also, see how she sneaks-up on him, bashes her bracelets between his ears(a very vulnerable area), hurts him but doesn't take him out, and follows this up with a kick to the head, a kick to a nerve cluster in the leg(although not going to add to the head damage), and slamming his head into the ground. And she STILL fails to take him out. If she were close to him physically, how did she failed to knock him out? That would be like me coming up behind you, bashing your head(aiming for the ears) between two cast iron skillets, kicking you in the head and slamming your head into the ground. You think you'd still be conscious with the sneak iron skillet attack? I doubt it, let alone the follow-ups. And, this isn't even taking into account how he thought he was facing Doomsday. Do you think even if he were thinking clearly(aside from believing she's Doomsday), he would expect stealth and tactics from Doomsday? No, he would not. Hell, she says, "He's SO strong." Not "he's so strong, because of extra SOLAR ENERGY" or anything indicating he was boosted. Do you think she would be speaking in awe of his strength if she were close to him? I could see if she was close to him under normal circumstances and he were amped, but again, nothing really beyond assumption from the art that he was amped, as it wasn't cited and the box for the Kryptonite wasn't melted.
Anyways, we see him get back up. What happens after? Max takes over and directs his movements. But remember, he's still not in his right mind, both because he's irrational with rage and grief, and thinks he's facing Doomsday.
He still grabs her by the wrist and casually breaks it by merely squeezing. Arguably through her bracelet. Again, if Wonder Woman were physically close to him, do you think he could just break her wrist like that? And again an example of him not being in his right mind, he freaking is heat visioning clouds. He also misses her with another heat vision attack after. Maybe she dodges it, but it looked to me like he was missing because he thought she was Doomsday, and Doomsday is a lot bigger than her. Anyways, she gets a bunch of birds to annoy him as a distraction, and goes to Max.
And Superman comes in and she uses his tiara to cut his throat.
But really, do yo think if Superman was aware she was tossing his tiara at him, he couldn't have deflected it with his breath or simply dodged it? He most certainly could've. Also worth noting, is her tiara attack did not incapacitate him, it merely snapped him out of the illusion. He was not sure what was going on, just had it revealed to him, no, Lois didn't die, so it was like an adrenalin dump and emotional relief at once. Hell, after she killed Max, he was healed and slamming her in the wall.
[url]http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/slideshow/Healing%20Factor/Heals%20Slit%20Throat%20In%20Moments
But hey, he was going all out, she was holding back, he didn't put her down, she embarrassed him and incapacitated him with a throat slash, he was probably amped, and his mental state and the fact that he thought he was fighting a mindless, massive brute instead of an intelligent, far smaller, skilled warrior have absolutely no impact on the fight whatsoever. 'Cuz that helps Kitty-Cat's argument. RIGHT? [/B]
Originally posted by Bro SMASHWhy would someone with Superman's powers wouldn't matter here? Just because Superman has "fought" Diana in controlled fights like in Sacrifice where he was out of his mind and when a vampire controlled him? Because the only two times Superman fought her in his right mind, he looked vastly above her.
The only character you mentioned that matters is Superman, not other people using his powers. We've seen many times where he and Wonder Woman had pretty close fights and because they are usually so close, you should be able to understand why some people can see it going both ways.
Diana: "I knew I couldn't actually beat you in combat." JLA: League Of One
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And in Superman 211 where he was toying with her.
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Even under mindcontrol he has looked vastly above her as she herself says that with three hits he would kill her.
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/striking/WonderWomanv2175a.jpg
Or if we go by how Loeb wrote him, he actually killed her.
So, no they have never fought so closely that it was going either way. In straight combat, Superman has always looked superior. Far superior.
