Superman vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by carver9
Dang, I forgot. Someone that withstood heat vision to the face from a pissed Superman would most def get stopped by freeze breath.

Good point Blue. 👆

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Bloodied ears? Where? And slit throat by essentially a sucker shot with a magical tiara? That healed in seconds? And what bruised ribs? There is not even a hint about bruised ribs. As it is, she punched him and it didn't even move his head.

Pathetic by any measure when his punches were oneshotting her and he was essentially snapping her bones like twigs. In a straight up fight, he would break her in half.

Agreed.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
There's illustrative power in giving the most extreme examples possible, but you need to make sure to adjust them to match "reality" if you want to make a good and useful analogy.

With a rifle, you generally have only one shot at a time.
Superman gets off multiple shots even in his opening salvo, akin more to a machine gun.
You don't need good aim to hit something if you're using a machine gun to sweep an area.
Even less if you have someone nearby (Max) to tell you
"Aim a little [b]lower as you rapidfire. Yep. Now to your left.
Little lower ... Lower ... THERE you go ... "

Also, the difference in size is not that great. Instead of a relatively tiny pitbull, you need to be using a very large breed. Something more akin to a Saint Bernard, Alaskan Malamute, or even a Turkish Kangal Dog.

Moreover, this "dog" is, at times, attacking him, not trying constantly to get away. If you feel a bite at your arm ...

You're also not considering that Superman has many short range options, and, in fact, is MOST dangerous at short range.

Note the heat vision scoring near the sun that sears Diana's face. That's more akin to someone holding a gun a few inches away from the dog's face. Couldn't easily do that with a rifle, but with a hand-held pistol.

Superman also has weapons with spread effect.
That freeze breath attack correlates nicely with a shotgun blast.
Want it non-lethal but effective? A shotgun filled with rock salt.
Maybe even a sawed-off shotgun filled with rock salt.
To a dog that is approaching you barking, by the way.
You could hit the poor thing blindfolded, really.
Long as it keeps barking to let you know where it is and is approaching you, at least.

No, a better analogy would be a soldier with blurred vision with a machine gun in hand, a service pistol at the ready in his holster, a bowie knife clamped to his belt, a club, and smoke grenades. On a battlefield littered with more weapons besides. Fighting a dog who is barking a LOT, and continually trying to get and keep him off his feet, and tripping him, and delivering painful bites and shakes to arms and ankles, but, for the most part, doing everything it can to avoid that final, fatal, bite to the throat ... [/B]

Quite, but no cigar.

Lets see actually what disadvantages Superman had when he fought WW under Max control

Keep in mind that Max is in FACT controlling Superman, subverting ideas and making him see what He want's him to see

Also Keep in Mind that Wonder Woman is already in fact carrying a Kryptonite ring, because SHE KNOWS that she need the K ring to defeat Superman.

Bear in mind that all this elements are provided by the writer

Having said that lets see the fight

Firs of all let's see the difference in mass and shape between Diana and Doomsday

It seems to me that If I were thinking that I am fighting Doomsday when in reality I am fighting Wonder Woman is a real disadvantage.

If you want to hit Doomsday head you miss, if you want to hit his arms, you miss, Legs? same, Ribs? same, Wonder Woman seems to be around 1/3 of Doomsday body so right there, there is a huge disadvantage into trying to hit something that is not really there.

Second, let see the fight

This is what Superman should see is he were not under Max control
but this is what He sees

When He grabbed Wonder Woman and take her to the sun (or what ever you guys might think) is when Superman had the most advantage, why? , he is actually grabbing he by the neck and is a close combat situation, mainly Superman won't miss unless he wants to HV Doomsday's shoulder.

He is grabbing Diana by the neck, even though He sees basically Doomsday's fist on his face.

Part 2

Now here is a very funny thing that happened in the comic, it is called PIS

Let's say that Superman took Diana to the sun, the sun did actually moved out of Diana's way. (also for those who said that the Sun amped Superman they forget that the Kryptonite ring is ther, so basically the amp is offset by the Kryptonite exposure)

But lets see how the sun moved out of the way to save Diana's life in an awesome GIF

That is such a lovely magic trick

Anyhow, writer decides to have Superman to make Doomsday SUFFER, Meaning that at that moment Superman DOES NOT WANT TO KILL Doomsday on that moment but to make him suffer, otherwise if He would have really had the intention of killing Doomsday or getting rid of him he will have throw him into the sun like ORIGINALLY it was shown to be the his intention and for us to remember how the fight looked when Superman had the intention really Doomsday and see what Wonder Woman really accomplished at those moments

BEFORE He decides to make Doomsday suffer, there is no more intention of killing Doomsday but yo make him suffer.
Up to there the fight took LESS than ONE minute, so Superman could have killed Wonder Woman in less than one minute if not for Max persuasion or Kal's choice of wanting to make Doomsday suffer. If he had decided to kill Wonder Woman right there, the fight will have been done in LESS THAN A MINUTE!

But of course We know that Superman is not going to kill WW, so that is why the sun moved out of the way and Superman decided to make "Doomsday" suffer instead of killing him.

Back on earth look how far Diana is from Clark but what does Clark sees?

With those type of hallucinations no wonder Clark is shooting HV into the air

missing and barely connecting punches, but when he gets a hold of her? Bam! Bones snap

And all your analogies miss a few points

Diana is much smaller than Doomsday, Clark basically was attacking the air, because he attacked something that was not there
Clark is seeing things that are not even there (people, distances, volumes nothing is what it seems)
Clark originally wanted to kill Doomsday, but then decided to make him suffer, prior to that Wonder Woman was almost killed in UNDER A MINUTE!
Diana is seeing everything HOW IT IS again Clark is not
Diana does not want to kill, neither is Clark, Clark want's to make DD SUFFER
In every chance Clark had Diana very close Diana suffered a burn face an a dislocated wrist

Anyhow, Yes if Superman want's to kill WW he kills her in less than a minute, even if she is fighting for her life.

Of course that is not in character, so here, she has the same chances a woman her size and age will have facing a man of Superman's size and age.

Which are really slim, like her waist

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that isn't how h1 debates. He has no evidence to support his claims [...]like me

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Originally posted by Bentley
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Lol that's funny 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bloodied ears? Where? And slit throat by essentially a sucker shot with a magical tiara? That healed in seconds? And what bruised ribs? There is not even a hint about bruised ribs. As it is, she punched him and it didn't even move his head.

Pathetic by any measure when his punches were oneshotting her and he was essentially snapping her bones like twigs. In a straight up fight, he would break her in half.

Oh please. She injured him clearly, he was holding his side and limping after that exchange.

And the throat healed in... what, 30 seconds? Oh yes, that's *such* little time to spend against WW without being able to use arms to defend against.

And, gasp, in a strait up fight, *she's the better martial artist*. That means she blocks more, gets hit less, and hits more.

They fought head-to-head there. With their hand to hand skills. Diana won.

Diana is much smaller than Doomsday, Clark basically was attacking the air, because he attacked something that was not there
Clark is seeing things that are not even there (people, distances, volumes nothing is what it seems)

Isn't it funny how not one of his attacks actually were aimed at the air and the only ones that missed were because she specifically dodged it? And he was able to dodge attacks with specific distances like the lasso throw?

Yea, it turns out that the mental effects didn't throw off his aim one bit. He was still aiming exactly where he should aim against Woman Woman.

Of course that is not in character, so here, she has the same chances a woman her size and age will have facing a man of Superman's size and age.

An armed woman with a blade, turns out weapons are a great equalizer.

Though it also turns out respective super strengths are based on their level of superness and have jack-squat to do with gender or size.

Originally posted by Q99
Oh please. She injured him clearly, he was holding his side and limping after that exchange.

And the throat healed in... what, 30 seconds? Oh yes, that's *such* little time to spend against WW without being able to use arms to defend against.

And, gasp, in a strait up fight, *she's the better martial artist*. That means she blocks more, gets hit less, and hits more.

They fought head-to-head there. With their hand to hand skills. Diana won.

Isn't it funny how not one of his attacks actually were aimed at the air and the only ones that missed were because she specifically dodged it? And he was able to dodge attacks with specific distances like the lasso throw?

Yea, it turns out that the mental effects didn't throw off his aim one bit. He was still aiming exactly where he should aim against Woman Woman.

An armed woman with a blade, turns out weapons are a great equalizer.

Though it also turns out respective super strengths are based on their level of superness and have jack-squat to do with gender or size.

They were aimed at a doomsday that was not there

And a woman with a blade vs a man under mushroom hallucinations, turns out hallucinations create real disadvantages.

And you might want to re check the fight because superman is shotting HV to the AIR

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

Lets see how the sun moved out of the way to save Diana's life in an awesome GIF!

Got to say, for all the years I'm 99% sure I've known you, you've never lost your ability to surprise me;
especially not when it comes to demonstrating effective use of visual techniques.

Is this gif-making a standard feature of general Photobucket accounts?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Got to say, for all the years I'm 99% sure I've known you, you've never lost your ability to surprise me;
especially not when it comes to demonstrating effective use of visual techniques.

Is this gif-making a standard feature of general Photobucket accounts?

Thanks blue 🙂 I think there is a standard GIF maker on Photobucket, but I make my own GIF's with adobe image ready and gif maker, I have never tried the photobucket one.

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I'm debating right now whether to snack and sleep or merely to get a midnight snack and continue here ...

In the meantime, though, I found an awesome link to probably the greatest collection of Doomsday appearances I've seen online. I'd be a little surprised if even you have all these:

http://www.comicvine.com/doomsday/4005-9989/forums/doomsday-greatest-battles-24606/

Originally posted by Q99
Oh please. She injured him clearly, he was holding his side and limping after that exchange.

Though it also turns out respective super strengths are based on their level of superness and have jack-squat to do with gender or size.

Man...I don't like seeing Diana screaming like a ***** =\

Would have been funny as **** had Superman punched her into the sun lol.

i wonder how long it's been since abhi hasn't mentioned superman. it's probably been ten years since abhi has gone a single day without superman.

Uh...ok?

imagine the time and effort needed to maintain that kind of dedication. he could have been a millionaire by now. yet, he chose superman. that's love

Originally posted by Raisen
i wonder how long it's been since abhi hasn't mentioned superman. it's probably been ten years since abhi has gone a single day without superman.

Originally posted by Raisen
imagine the time and effort needed to maintain that kind of dedication. he could have been a millionaire by now. yet, he chose superman. that's love

Originally posted by abhilegend
baka

how long has it been?

Originally posted by Raisen
how long has it been?