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Delta, this is primarily for you.
Illustrates how "Parent" (Mother and Father) boxes protect their owners and have from the beginning. Also suggests how powerful they may actually be.
First showing is the earliest known use of the Mother Box that I know of, Forever People #1, by Jack Kirby, circa 1971 or thereabouts.
Second showing is Superman/Batman #12, if memory serves, Batman taking a pounding from Darkseid while dressed in Apokoliptan armor and protected by a Mother Box. Consider that, prior to this, Batman fought some dogs that were literally the size of small houses, and that he convinces Darkseid that he does indeed have a Mother Box on his person (for that is how he broke the code to the Hellspore bombs).
Third showing is what happens after Kara crushes one of these special boxes.
The box, thrown into the sun to melt (thought you'd appreciate this detail) is not able to do so in time, and apparently causes enough damage to turn the entirety of the sun, a solar body big enough to contain a million Earths by some estimates, into a red star. It's reasonable to presume something THAT powerful can blunt the force of a Darkseid letting off some steam ...
(Supergirl #15, iirc)
Originally posted by abhilegend
I have actually lessened the time I spend here.
i believe that but i'm sure you're in other forums, right? or conversing about superman in other venues? or reading about superman?
it may have been ten years since superman wasn't a part of your daily life.
it's not a bad thing bro. just asking for an estimate.
Originally posted by Raisen
i believe that but i'm sure you're in other forums, right? or conversing about superman in other venues? or reading about superman?
it may have been ten years since superman wasn't a part of your daily life.
it's not a bad thing bro. just asking for an estimate.
If you're that interest don't spam threads and send Abhi a pm.
Originally posted by -Pr-Isn't the penalty for treason severe on KMC? mmm
Ugh, somehow I managed to turn both sides against me. Great.
Originally posted by Badabing
Isn't the penalty for treason severe on KMC? mmm
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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😕Stranger, do I know you?
Possibly?
Originally posted by Delta1938
OK Kitty-Cat. Branny covered a lot of stuff I'll be pointing-out, but I'll be going into detail and showing you the full fight."She held back" and "Superman was all-out." These are two things that are cited out of context. I'll get to the "she held back" part later, but I'll cover the "Superman went all-out" now.
Now, yes, Superman was enraged, thinking Wonder Woman was Doomsday, and Doomsday had just killed Lois. But, it's not quite how you make it out. He wanted Doomsday to suffer, first.
So, going by that, while Superman was enraged and wanted to kill, he couldn't QUITE be going all-out if he wanted to make her(believing she was Doomsday) suffer first. But anyways, onto the fight.
You claim Superman has "small" strength advantage. The very fight started with Superman grabbing her by the throat and dragging her into space.
See how her hands are on his wrists? Well, what she's ATTEMPTING to do is very much the same technique as the choke defense of Krav Maga(and I'm sure other reality based self-defense Martial Arts). This technique actually lets you break the grip of a STRONGER attacker.
Considering that you can break the grip of a stronger opponent with the technique that Diana is attempting to use, and she's not able to succeed, and this was before the "possible amp," either Superman is significantly stronger than her, or Amazons are significantly inferior fighters to Israeli soldiers and cops.
Now, it does APPEAR that they're near the Sun when Diana uses eye gouging and apparently a knee to the groin to get out of the choke, but the metal box(almost certainly lead) doesn't melt.
This coupled with the fact that nothing about him being Sun amped or stronger than normal or anything like that mentioned leads me to believe they were in space, but not near the Sun like everybody assumes. Anyways, back to showing the fight.
Diana tries to use the Kryptonite on Superman, to no real effect.
He one-shot KOs her. People try to argue it's a "flash KO" and she was barely unconscious. But they leave-out Diana's own narration that it's reentry heat that wakes her up. She doesn't recover on her own. Not to mention, look how long she's down and out of the fight until she finally gets up, despite being conscious.
Delta, your scans doesn't show a significance in strength. Stop applying real world knowledge to a comic. 99.9% of the things that happens in a comic will never happen in the real world so applying things like that does not help your stance here. I'm not going into detail any further on this because Pr said that we need to get off topic with Sacrifice but just know that your applying real world logic to a freaking comic book doesn't help your case here, especially if he was significantly stronger because if that was true, the fight wouldn't have lasted as long as it did...especially against a Diana that admitted she was holding back.
Originally posted by carver9
Delta, your scans doesn't show a significance in strength. Stop applying real world knowledge to a comic. 99.9% of the things that happens in a comic will never happen in the real world so applying things like that does not help your stance here. I'm not going into detail any further on this because Pr said that we need to get off topic with Sacrifice but just know that your applying real world logic to a freaking comic book doesn't help your case here, especially if he was significantly stronger because if that was true, the fight wouldn't have lasted as long as it did...especially against a Diana that admitted she was holding back.
This is one of the most desperate attempts at negating an owning I've ever seen. Concessions accepted.
Originally posted by carver9
Delta, your scans doesn't show a significance in strength. Stop applying real world knowledge to a comic. 99.9% of the things that happens in a comic will never happen in the real world so applying things like that does not help your stance here. I'm not going into detail any further on this because Pr said that we need to get off topic with Sacrifice but just know that your applying real world logic to a freaking comic book doesn't help your case here, especially if he was significantly stronger because if that was true, the fight wouldn't have lasted as long as it did...especially against a Diana that admitted she was holding back.
Stop it carver, superman almost killed wonder woman in less than a minute and then he decided to make her suffer.
When superman had the intention of killing her she was not able to do sh1t.
Superman with can kill ww in less than a minute even if he is having hallucinations.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Stop it carver, superman almost kikled wonder woman in less than a minute and then he decided to make her suffer.When superman had the intention of killing her she was not able to do sh1t.
Superman with can kill ww in less than a minute even if he is having hallucinations.
Wait a minute. Let me guess. Delta PM'ED you?
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. Let me guess. Delta PM'ED you?
Nope, I was busy, I decided to lurk on a break and after seeing your post I decide that I MUST RESPOND to your gem, that's how bad it was.
This have been said several times but you keep trying to use the same old argument that does not work.
Superman can kill WW IN UNDER A MINUTE! Get it in your skull
LOL. I can't believe people are still debating this matchup as if it's actually a real contest as to who would win. It's amazing how stubborn some people are despite all the evidence that proves them wrong...
People, WW admitted to Superman that she can't beat him in "A League of One". I stated this already. I'm not just making it up because I'm a Superman fan. The Sacrifice fight is the only one between them that has ever lasted more than a few panels and the only reason it did was because Superman was at a huge disadvantage because he was hallucinating. He thought he was fighting someone who was much bigger, less skilled, and had no razor sharp magical tiara which he would've easily dodged if he knew he was fighting Diana. Yet, despite his disadvantages she still wasn't even "holding her own" against him and was lucky she survived the ordeal. As I said, if he would've known he was fighting WW he no doubt would've been ready for the tiara and easily dodged it.
In "Superman for Tomorrow" he wasn't even really trying to fight her and he was casually *****slapping (backhanding) her around. At one point, he even turned his back to her after she made it clear that she would try to stop him from reactivating that device. He did this despite the fact that she had a magical dagger drawn and ready to use on him. That's how threatened he feels by her. LOL. She uses her superspeed to attack him while his back is to her and at the last microsecond he turns to catch her wrist and then *****slaps her through half the length of his fortress. This demonstrates his much superior speed. There are already plenty of examples of his much greater strength and durability. Not to mention he has a much wider array of powers.
I'm not hating on Diana as I already said she's extremely good. Not many people can survive an enraged blood-lusted Superman. The fact that Diana did demonstrates just how good she is but if he wasn't hallucinating at the time she'd be dead. She can't get even 1/10 against Clark.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Nope, I was busy, I decided to lurk on a break and after seeing your post I decide that I MUST RESPOND to your gem, that's how bad it was.This have been said several times but you keep trying to use the same old argument that does not work.
Superman can kill WW IN UNDER A MINUTE! Get it in your skull
I believed you received a PM but it's ok. No Herald can kill WW in less than a minute. I don't think trans tier characters can do that either.
