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Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by Deadline
It doesn't have to. I was under the impression that Doom has sent robots to kill people before and they don't always involve some complicated plan so why the fuss now?There were no flying robots in that trap im talking about afterwards. Oh I also went to check that theres no conclusive proof that there was a hoard of them. We only see a couple of flying robots on panel ,and he mentions something about his minions. That may or may not indicate that he sent a group of robots to seek and destroy Punisher. Not conclusive but not a stretch.
As for the rest you seem to be putting words into my mouth and projecting. These feats do not prove that Punisher can outsmart Doom or even that he is the rival of Doom in smarts. The only reason why I bring this up is that it could be argued when talking about supervillains that have a significantly less impressive career than Doom that Punisher could beat them. When talking about The Joker or Ras Al Ghul its relatively impressive when talking about Doom it doesn't prove shit at all.
That's the point. No fuss. No elaborate plan or straining of Doom's resources. He simply underestimated him. That isn't Punisher thwarting Doom or outsmarting him.
Fine. I relied on -Pr-'s comment. But if it doesn't prove crap, why do you insist on defending it? Like so:
Originally posted by Deadline
LOL but it did. Doom thought that Punisher was just a vigilante with a gun. When Punisher survived the deathtrap he was impressed because he realised that Punisher was smarter than he thought. That doesn't mean that he thought that Punisher was Reed Richards or that somehow he couldn't kill him...Jesus.Im not saying he thwarted Doom because the only reason why he survived the trap is because Doom underestimated him. Its relatively impressive but not concerning Doom.
Yes my bad you are correct concerning the jet-pack. However Doom had to give himself a false identity and pose as a gunrunner to lure Punisher into the trap. Everybody knows that Punisher uses guns but in order to fool Punisher that you're are a real gunrunner you need to do research. Doom also knew how many warehouses that Punisher had and there locations. If thats not studying I don't know what is.
You're right. It doesn't mean crap.
It's not impressive on Punisher's part either. He's escaped far worse. As you said, just because it involves Doom doesn't imbue it with any more meaningfulness. Punisher escaped from (i) a robot that got shredded by a machine gun, (ii) a tank, and (iii) two minions with jetpacks and guns. That is probably one of the least impressive escapes I've ever seen Frank accomplish. Ever.
Originally posted by Deadline
Stop strawmanning. I already told you he underestimated him.Y'know what, you seem to be getting riled up about shit I never said or even shit that is correct. Did I say that Kristoff was as good as Doom, nope. What I said was that hes dones stuff comparable to the real Doom. I suspect that im actually correct but you're getting all puffed up about nothing. Didn't he teleport the Baxter the bulding into outerspace and blow it up? Thats not a Doom level tactic?
And as such, it's not impressive at all.
You said, and I quote: " [Kristoff] had plans on the level of what Doom has done" and "Kristoff has been shown to be just as lethal as Doom." You weren't suggesting that Kristoff was as good as Doom? You may not believe it, but you weren't suggesting it? Don't post inane comments comparing Kristoff and Doom and you won't get chastized for it.