Originally posted by illadelph12
Apoc could morph his back, feet, or any other part of his body into a warp drive or rocket thrusters and speed blitz them. He has, on panel, morphed a portion of his body into a space craft and flown in space.Hell, to gain more velocity on his punches Apoc could morph the back of his elbow into a thruster and launch his fist at Hulk at mach speeds, while simultaneously morphing his hand into a spike, blade, drill, or plasma torch, and simply impale Hulk. Form there he could morph his hand/arm which is inside Hulk into a giant mechanical spreader and rip Hulk apart internally (and this can be done with one arm). He could morph the other arm into a restraint.
Not to mention the fact Apoc can always grow to 50+ feet tall and weighing several hundred tons and simply punt Hulk across the planet. Hulk is 7.5 feet tall and weighs under a ton. Apoc could soccer kick Hulk like a nerf ball if he wished. All the anger in the world doesn't counter the fact Hulk only weighs 1,400 lbs. Far too many options for Apoc to defeat Hulk. All Hulk has is his physical strength which Apoc can match or negate.
However, if Apoc tries to do that (either the rocket thruster move or the size-changing move+punting) to even a walking Juggernaut, Apoc will be very much out of luck. Just saying.
Apocalypse probably wins... BUT this:
Originally posted by TricksterPriestis pure and utter bullshit.
He's a stronger telepath than Exodus.
Apocalypse has less telepathic feats than Emma Frost has telekinetic, only one of which - if even telepathic - is at all impressive.
The fifth is Emma Frost, Apocalypse doesn't even come to mind.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, to be honest, it's still a slaughter, because, as I stated before, Apocalypse can simply make himself intangible so that Hulk's blows have no effect, take on a consistency like rubber so that the impacts of Hunk's punches have no effect, or simply out maneuver Hulk either via teleportation or flight. Hulk has no offense that can effect Apocalypse. All he has is strength which Apocalypse can negate in many ways.
Zom/Strange>Apoc,
Sentry>Apoc
BlackBolt is arguably the same level in power as Apoc.
And the Hulk took all them down. Call is PIS/CIS, but the Hulk has been consistently portrayed as the top dog in marvel earth for the whole arc so his feats are viable.
Apocalypse turning intangible would be a good option on his behalf, frankly I feel that that is the only why from him to stay alive imo…
But what good would that do?
Nothing but make this fight into a boring stalemate.
Apoc turning into rubber won’t do him no good, see Reed Richards in WWH.
You say that the Hulk has no offensive capabilities to hurt Apoc…But you don’t realize that Apocalypse has no offense to damage the hulk. Seriously, Apoc has a nice array of powers, but he has nothing in the arsenal powerful enough to KO let alone kill the current Hulk.
Originally posted by illadelph12
As for putting Hulk down, I'm not sure whether you're aware of this or not, but Apocalypse has the ability to absorb energy from external sources, be they artificial sources or bio energy. He could drain Hulk:http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers6.png
Similar to how he drained Cyclops here in the scan above.
And before you pose the "but Cyclops was firing on Apocalypse" argument, if you notice in the first panel the blast is striking Apocalypse with zero effect. In the second panel Apocalypse extends his hand and forcibly extracts the "bio-energy" from Cyclops. Now, Hulk is essentially a walking Gamma reactor, and as shown by Surfer and various other characters, his energy can be siphoned as well. Apocalypse also has intimate knowledge of Hulk's abilities and power source, coupled with the ability to morph his body into advanced weaponry and machinery, and the ability to absorb, or forcibly extract, energy from external sources.
Surfer has siphoned the gamma rays from the hulk, but the hulk has changed ever since planet hulk. Also were talking about a top of the line energy/matter manipulator in Surfer, Apoc is only mediocre compared to him.. Their not equals.
Originally posted by illadelph12
And also, to counter your obvious retort of "It's not like Hulk is going to just stand there and let Apocalypse drain him, he'll attack Apocalypse", Apocalypse also has the ability to erect powerful forcefields and teleport. Hulk will never lay a hand on him unless he wants him to.This isn't a comic battle.
Apocalypse easily trumps Hulk, all abilities at play.
Brains over brawn.
Apoc does trump the hulk in number of powers, but wat he brings to the table is not to stop current Hulk.
Brains over brawn only works with prep BTW.
Originally posted by illadelph12
He would slaughter Hulk.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
However, if Apoc tries to do that (either the rocket thruster move or the size-changing move+punting) to even a walking Juggernaut, Apoc will be very much out of luck. Just saying.
To attack Juggernaut Apocalypse could:
1) Teleport to Juggs's position, rip his helmet off, and mentally assault him.
2) Teleport to Juggs's Position, rip his helmet off, with his other hand morph into a sonic weapon and down Cain via sensory overload.
3) Grow to 50+ feet tall, grab Juggernaut, and throw him around like a football into every object on the planet, or simply toss him into space.
4) Grow to 50+ feet tall, grab and restrain Juggernaut in one hand, use the thumb and index finger on his other hand to remove Juggernaut's helmet, then morph that free hand into a gigantic sonic weapon and bombard Cain at point blank range with high frequency sonics.
5) If Juggernaut chooses to charge Apocalypse Nur could simply teleport behind him at the last moment and punt him from behind using Cain's own momentum against him.
6) Apocalypse could morph his hand into a plasma torch and slag the ground Juggernaut stands on into lava, then remove Cain's helmet and repeat the final actions of options 1 thru 4.
7) Apocalypse can try to batter Juggernaut physically to no effect, grow tired of it, then remove Cain's helmet and mentally enslave him to become one of his Horsemen/Riders as he did Caliban or The Inhumans.
8) Grab Juggernaut, morph into a giant mechanical catapult, and launch him.
Attacking Juggernaut by charging or striking him head on would be foolish. Apocalypse know's Cain's abilities and has all the necessary tools to counter him.
i would love to see a actual bio from marvel about apocalypse....not a site which fans can edit
I think Apocalypse wins, but i think there are way to many scans that dont prove anything being thrown around, there are no definetive scans, only what people think or assume is actually going on and can be explained in a number of ways
About Apocalypse draining WWH, speculation, since we haven'st seen that he could do that to WWH for what he did to Scott (he didn't show to pull the energy out of Cyclops).
I think Apocalypse could win, but then again, I had to see yet what kind of power level needs to put down the WWH.
And what has Apocalypse shown, his destructive power that could put down the WWH due to what WWH has faced, because WWH wasn't close to being put down.
What is Apocalypse biggest brute force feat?
Not enough to put WWH down.
Originally posted by Xplosive
About Apocalypse draining WWH, speculation, since we haven'st seen that he could do that to WWH for what he did to Scott (he didn't show to pull the energy out of Cyclops).I think Apocalypse could win, but then again, I had to see yet what kind of power level needs to put down the WWH.
And what has Apocalypse shown, his destructive power that could put down the WWH due to what WWH has faced, because WWH wasn't close to being put down.
What is Apocalypse biggest brute force feat?
Not enough to put WWH down.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers6.png
In the scan I provided it clearly shows:
-Cyclops firing an optic blast on Apocalypse to no effect in the first panel.
-Apocalypse extending his hand into the incoming optic blast and absorbing it in the second panel, with the dialogue clearly stating that Apocalypse was taking Cyclops' "fresh bio energies".
-Apocalypse extracting Cyclop's energies in the third panel with an artistic rendition of Cyclops falling to the ground, severely weakened, due to being drained of his "bio energies" as it is being forcibly siphoned by Apocalypse.
-Phoenix stating in the 4th and 5th panels that by Apocalypse "making a conduit" between himself and Cyclops he left himself open to her psychic assault because she is telepathically linked to Scott, herego, the "conduit" which Apocalypse created between himself and Cyclops was not simply draining Scott's optic blasts, because, as stated by Apocalypse himself, he was extracting Scott's "bio energies", meaning life force, meaning in so doing he was absorbing Cyclops "essence" or "life force" if you will, not simply his optic blasts, because the conduit had psionic implications as well.
How many ways are there to interpret not only this clear image, but also what is clearly stated on panel in the dialogue?
But I digress.
I understand Apocalypse isn't the most popular character here on KMC and has many detractors, but when it gets to the point where people are so blinded to what's clearly taking place on panel due to bias and an agenda against a fictional character then debating this medium proves to be pointless (which was one of the main contributing factors to my previous hiatus from debating here on the forums).
If he can drain the life-force, then he should be able to put the WWH down.
But that is the only way he could put the WWH down.
I know about Apocalypse a lot and about his feats and I still want Marvel to show that Apocalypse has an extremely destructive power level (so that he could actually live up to his name).
Juggernaut should be no problem here for Apocalypse.
Originally posted by strengthkills
Life force?Yeah he can drain the Summers Brothers life force but thats it.
He doesn't have to take Hulk's life force. As I stated earlier, Hulk is essentially a walking Gamma Reactor and various other characters have siphoned his energy to weaken him (Surfer, US Army, Leader, etc), and Apocalypse can absorb (or forcibly extract) external energy sources, as well as simply morph his body into machinery or weaponry capable of doing so.
All while operating in the comfort and security of standing behind a self generated forcefield.
If you really think about it, Hulk's popularity and Apocalypse's enmity not withstanding, the outcome is obvious.
Originally posted by Xplosive
If he can drain the life-force, then he should be able to put the WWH down.
But that is the only way he could put the WWH down.
I know about Apocalypse a lot and about his feats and I still want Marvel to show that Apocalypse has an extremely destructive power level (so that he could actually live up to his name).
Well strange could have bfr hulk but chose not, and iirc apocalypse can not only teleport himself but others too. What's to stop apocalypse from teleporting near hulk, and using his superspeed reflexes to teleport hulk into outerspace?
There's also the fact he could transform into one of hulk's friends and use psychology with tp derived knowledge.
We also saw how the beam depowered wwh, and that is present day tech... theoretically something similar could be constructed, and if we assume the battle is after the events of wwh. He would have knowledge of that event, and its conclusion.
As pointed out, Hulk radiates gamma, that's there for Apocalypse to take. If he takes it too fast then he winds up fighting Bruce, if he siphons slowly as Hulk's anger builds then he should be able to match him. I've seen a weakened Apocalypse fear Black Bolt but I though regular Apoc's laughed Black Bolt's best off before?
How does anyone talk in space? 😛 There's no air to transmit sound so Surfer talking with BRB or whoever is odd. Short-ranged telepathy? They don't use radio's...
Apocalypse though enough of Juggernaut's power (as the X-Men's most powerful non-mutant foe) to amp up Hulk with Celestial Tech for a test match...and then he goes on to declare that they're still both beneath him.
OOC who is the fifth telepath in Exodus' scan? He only names 4 (himself, Sinister, Phoenix, Prof X)?
Emma Frost.
(Also I've only seen Apocalypse phase once, I think it was just his fingertips shown, never seen this repeated - which makes it a rather SvFL feat. Mystique has phased her entire upper body through a wall once, but it really shouldn't be considered a regular power of hers unless she does it again at least a few times.)
