not seen proof they do not come close to his aspects tho "shrug" since sephiroth has no real feats
if at 100% hes the size of the sun, his strength in the weight of his fist is likely 1000 times the weight of the earth or so, maybe far far more, whats 20% of that?
thats roughply 200 times the weight of the earth in Pyrons fist at 20%, still belive he cant crush the planet with a punch? 🙄
also apprently even at 20% he moves around the entire earths diameter in seconds or something
Originally posted by Burning thought
possibly, but demitri has magic at his disposal, so how powerful Pyron was in the end is besides the point, also i only know what V2D and a few others have shown me, i could be wrong about Pyron, but theres nothing ive seen from people that clearly states he was so much weaker in that fight, he could of easily been holding back even if he did have fully power, but technically Pyron is not skyfather level, thats just what V2D usually said, a couple agree in the Comic book VS he is more high heraldthe dimensional arrow was fired by Belial, its an attack that could apprently destroy hundreds of Makai nobles who each had the power to destroy a planet with ease anyway, Belial useing this blew a large piece of Makai as well as demitri through a dimensional barrier, its an incredibly powerful weapon, especially remembering Makai is enormous in comparison to Earth anyway, one continent i think was 100 times larger than the equel size of the Earths contintents combined
Except for the fact that full powered Pyron devourers planets, and human sized Pyron fights kung-fu with humans and vampires..
Can you show me where Demitri takes this "Dimensional arrow" head on, and lives?
Originally posted by Terryc250
Except for the fact that full powered Pyron devourers planets, and human sized Pyron fights kung-fu with humans and vampires..Can you show me where Demitri takes this "Dimensional arrow" head on, and lives?
he decided to.....he wanted to fight with humans and vampires and all Darkstalkers are vampires so you fail, Jedah is a vampire and he could defeat Pyron with ease....as he did Demitri+pyrons power....you like to bash down vampires, like actually thinking sephiroth could stand against Kain for example lol, what makes you think vampires are lower than other things?
ill have a look for it, its posted somewhere
Originally posted by Burning thought
he decided to.....he wanted to fight with humans and vampires and all Darkstalkers are vampires so you fail, Jedah is a vampire and he could defeat Pyron with ease....as he did Demitri+pyrons power....you like to bash down vampires, like actually thinking sephiroth could stand against Kain for example lol, what makes you think vampires are lower than other things?ill have a look for it, its posted somewhere
Pyron at full power is suppose to be a cosmic being devouring planets, hes obviously not the same strength as one who fights kungfu with vampires/humans.
Originally posted by Terryc250
lol sephiroth would rape Kain, as would most of the Darkstalkers, and im still waiting to see proof of Demitri taking this "dimensional arrow" head on.Pyron at full power is suppose to be a cosmic being devouring planets, hes obviously not the same strength as one who fights kungfu with vampires/humans.
hehe yeh, in your fan fiction perhaps but in the real world, sephiroth would be like dry paper in a firestorm
what makes you think so, what makes you think he is not holding back?
Superman can throw around planets easily, but he doesnt shred everything he touches
Originally posted by Burning thought
hehe yeh, in your fan fiction perhaps but in the real world, sephiroth would be like dry paper in a firestormwhat makes you think so, what makes you think he is not holding back?
Superman can throw around planets easily, but he doesnt shred everything he touches
Obviously he is holding back, hes not at full power, Pyron devours planets, he is a cosmic being, the human form Pyron isnt, and is not capable of devouring a planet in that form, which means hes not as strong. Do you really think Demitri is able to beat a fullsized/powered Pyron? Who can just devour the planet Demitri is on?
Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm no superman cant, and in terms of abilities feats and powers, Sephiroth > Kain, heck without Kains reaver, hes nothing.. he doesnt even have his spells from BO anymore.Obviously he is holding back, hes not at full power, Pyron devours planets, he is a cosmic being, the human form Pyron isnt, and is not capable of devouring a planet in that form, which means hes not as strong. Do you really think Demitri is able to beat a fullsized/powered Pyron? Who can just devour the planet Demitri is on?
what makes you say he does not have his spells? hes Elder kain now, 10,000 years have passed and kains memory returns by the end of the game so he would have his spells canonically, you can see evidence of various blood gout powers throughout the games as well as in BO 2 you regain charm and some other more unique BO spells, i still have not been shown the piece where it says he loses all his spells, who told you that? i mean he doesnt have them in BO2 but canonically, where does it say he does not have them? i cannot remmeber that, ive not played Bo 2 in a long time.... And whats Sephiroth going to do without lifestream? without lifestream Sephiroth is nothing either since he wouldnt be able ot make materia, infact Sephiroth needs so many more items than kain, its not really even Sephiroth, its Jenova
Super boy prime cannot break a planet? you serious?
wtf? your saying the human sized pyron is not a cosmic being? lawls at your DS knowledge, also stregnth has nothing to do with Pyrons devouring only size, Pyron does not use strength to devour planets, he could flick them away however, and he would do the same at 20% to FFverse
Demitri can fly, and devouring the planet Demitri is on will not do anything.....not to Demitri anyway, however nothing could prove Demitri could not absorb full sized pyron so i wont debate against him doing it. However it does not matter, he fought 20% pyron and defeated him in battle before absorbing him as well, 20% pyron would likely destroy most FF verses, 1 through 12 with ease in a couple of heartbeats
Super boy prime cannot break a planet? you serious?
wtf? your saying the human sized pyron is not a cosmic being? lawls at your DS knowledge, also stregnth has nothing to do with Pyrons devouring only size
Demitri can fly, and devouring the planet Demitri is on will not do anything.....not to Demitri anyway, however nothing could prove Demitri could not absorb full sized pyron so i wont debate against him doing it. However it does not matter, he fought 20% pyron and defeated him in battle before absorbing him as well, 20% pyron would likely destroy most FF verses, 1 through 12 with ease in a couple of heartbeats
Originally posted by Terryc250
I say he does not have his spells because he doesnt have them, meaning he cant use them. Kain's spells are most likely not even canon, theyre optional spells that you can acquire in BO.. show me elder Kain using some spells then? Can you? Sephiroth created his negative lifestream, its his own power/weapon. Sephiroth was the only being infused with jenova cells at birth, which is why him and jenova have a special bond and is why Sephiroth is able to become Jenova. Without Jenova there wouldnt have the birth of Sephiroth period, or FF7 game.So Demitris only feat is that he can beat a human size/power Pyron? And thats ur only backup of him being able to beat Sephiroth? And that humansized/power Pyron "would likely destroy most FF verses" ? Even though humansized/power Pyron has no feats to back that up?
he uses a form of blood gout throughout the game whenever he drinks blood from range, he uses teleport, also so what if their optional? this makes no sense, Dantes weapons are optional to get but that doesnt mean he doesnt get them, nothing says their not canon, their in the game, their abilities he gets, full stop....Sephiroth created it out of something he doesnt have in this fight, and its not consistent, he has it in AC only..and yeh, Sephiroth is really just Jenova basically
only feat? you make it sound small, this Pyron would crush anything in FF easily with a finger movement, havnt you read any posts? prob lilkely since you only read things with sephiroth in it i imagine, fanboys usually only read things with their fave characters winning, unfortunatley, do the math, Pyron 100%=sun sized, strength incredible, not rly measurable...but mass, yes, so you have to find 20% of the suns mass, thats how heavey 20% pyron is.....or could punch with that equel weight which would puncture most of the FF unvierse and more for sure
Dantes weapons are optional to get but that doesnt mean he doesnt get them, nothing says their not canon, their in the game
only feat? you make it sound small, this Pyron would crush anything in FF easily with a finger movement, havnt you read any posts? prob lilkely since you only read things with sephiroth in it i imagine, fanboys usually only read things with their fave characters winning, unfortunatley, do the math, Pyron 100%=sun sized, strength incredible, not rly measurable...but mass, yes, so you have to find 20% of the suns mass, thats how heavey 20% pyron is.....or could punch with that equel weight which would puncture most of the FF unvierse and more for sure
Human sized Pyron would crush anything in FF with a finger? Have u even played a single FF? Ppl take multiple Punches from humansized Pyron, and still fight in DS.
Pyron 100% = Sunsized? No hes not, where did u hear that from?
Pyron 20%.. I hope you know that was never officially stated anywhere and it was just speculation made by someone, most likely V2D.. thats why i say Human sized.
Originally posted by Terryc250
We dont debate Dante with every single weapon, if we debated that way then debating zack/cloud with every materia in the game and they would be busting out attacks like this:
YouTube videoLike i said, human sized Pyron has no feats to backup he can beat FF verses, yes i have read alot of posts. Cant u give me proof? No? Didnt think so.
Pyron 100% = Sunsized? No hes not, where did u hear that from?
Pyron 20%.. I hope you know that was never officially stated anywhere and it was just speculation made by someone, most likely V2D.. thats why i say Human sized.
thats your problem, we do debate Dante with all his weapons, he brings forth his shotgun, spiral and all kinds of weapons in his debates, the thing is, their his, kains spells are only kains spells, materia.....thats for anyone to use, its a free for all, if you give someone materia they anyone can cast certain spells, their not special, their not clouds
proof of what, ime not a DS fanboy, V2D is, also can you show me proof of what your saying? no, whats that? oh AC sephiroth has no good feats what a shame, terrible shame, just a guy with a sword....wow no wonder he has so many fans, hes so simple
where did i hear it? its a good esimation of his size, he wears planets for rings and his chest is the size of Hellstorm which is supposedly larger than Jupitor, which is massive in comparison to the Earth as well
so technically, you dont even have a percentage, all we know is that Pyron is smaller, and that he chose to decrease his size, he chose to do things the way he wanted against the characters, however he is never serious until he fights Demitri because Demitri eventualyl beats him and absorbs, Pyron still supposedly moved at lightspeed in this human form, he still has incredible strength in the form of punching through high tech phobos robots with ease who also apprently have the power to annhilate towns and cities with their armaments
Originally posted by Furion
Sephiroth Sin Harvest for win.
Demetri has all of Pyron's power...Seph doesn't stand a chance...
Demetri's power is "TRUE" Pyron's power PLUS his own. True Pyron would kill Seph in seconds, Demetri at this point could accomplish this feat even faster...not to mention Seph has NO WAY, to hurt Demetri in the first place Demetri in his weakest for could survive a dimension rippin attack, Seph can't even fathom such power.
Seph dies instantly...
Demetri kills'em wit his own sword.