Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And Yet it couldn't have been. He seemed the same lvl thruout the story arc. Around Thanos lvl in strength. Maybe A lil more.
But we DO know he had powers beyond any top tier. Due simply to the nature of the PowerGem itself, It was DEFINITELY more...no maybe's involved.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I wonder, if we try to find an way to explain how our hero will win he will win, goes both ways, but if we let them fight it out, like they normally do in comic we see that Surfer has absolutly no chance 😉.DS, after taking an blast from Big G, needed one shot with his Omega Beam (not effect) to almost kill the Surfer. Superman took more then that from DS and won, but anyway, just comics and biased opinions 😄.
The idea that the Surfer would have no chance against Superman is a common belief based generally on picturing the Surfer as a guy that flies really fast and fires an energy blast and little else. According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Surfer
the Surfer can transmute matter and energy at will. If he really wanted to short circuit the whole fight, just create some kryptonite. As examples of beings having the power to kill him, Thanos is listed.
You are right that it will always come down to how people want to see things and what facts they emphasize. But in this case, you are portraying a fight with highly uncertain results as if it was a curbstomp.
The SS has absolutely no chance? Clearly you must be talking about the Ultimate Universe SS, not the one who has proven he can survive novas and black holes. Are you saying Superman would hit so hard that the Surfer would never get a chance to do anything? I doubt it and, with no PIS and the Surfer doing all he could do, he's got the edge.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
But we DO know he had powers beyond any top tier. Due simply to the nature of the PowerGem itself, It was DEFINITELY more...no maybe's involved.
Despero has more impressive feats against A larger group of Uber top tiers. The PG alone isn't what people make it up to be.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Any written comic source about the Power Gem will tell you otherwise.
No I'm sorry Horror your WRONG.... And Nvr is RIGHT!
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Psyche!!! NOT!!!!!!
Nvr is Nvr RIGHT... In fact they need to change their name to Nvrright.
But then they would finally be right... 😕 Hmmmmm.
OK we'll give them that one...But only that one.
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Originally posted by horrorwolf
1. Yeah Hulk is insanely strong but his Strength is Dynamic...meaning is will rise to potentially unlimited levels based on his anger and will.2. Hulks Durability - Near Invulnerable to most anything and Stacked with Gamma fueled Regen. He can take most anything when it comes to physical assaults. IMO it would wear most anyone out trying to do any sufficient damage to him (No one has ever done any lasting damage to Hulk), eventually leaving them open to devastation.
3. He is fueled by an extradimensional potentially unlimited power source and will not tire or wear out if you keep fueling him.
This is why Thanos feared going toe to toe with Hulk. Who the hell would want to go through that?
I don't think its really just some "Hulk is the strongest one there is" Realistically Its usually more like..."Dam I just beat the hell out of him and he is matching my power....oh no now.... surpassing...Im getting exhausted..." So its idiotic to try to go toe to toe with Hulk, just outstmart him or simply avoid him.
Excellent points, and well said. If one fights the Hulk under those circumstances, then yes I understand his reason for winning. And Thanos apparently also chickened out taking Champion on mano a mano. The comic didn't say so, but I say so. If Thanos was supposedly looking to pick a fight with someone to prove his mettle to himself it was a poor showing. I didn't see him throwing down with Champion, trust me. Anyhow, I'm getting off the topic.
I guess my point is there are characters who can take out the Hulk before he gets to a stage where you now have a problem on your hands.
Originally posted by NewjakThe problem with those two, is that we have direct comparisons... and Thanos pretty much would dismantle both of them easily.
Could Thor and Silver Surfer beat Thanos.Whatever the answer is answers this thread as well.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlBoth had pretty much the same effect...
Omega couldn't even take thanos out with 3 shields on. Galactus the real thing Bitched thanos with ALL shields on. And the doomsday clones where from different sources you tard.
Originally posted by SupremeMan
The idea that the Surfer would have no chance against Superman is a common belief based generally on picturing the Surfer as a guy that flies really fast and fires an energy blast and little else. According tohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Surfer
the Surfer can transmute matter and energy at will. If he really wanted to short circuit the whole fight, just create some kryptonite. As examples of beings having the power to kill him, Thanos is listed.
You are right that it will always come down to how people want to see things and what facts they emphasize. But in this case, you are portraying a fight with highly uncertain results as if it was a curbstomp.
The SS has absolutely no chance? Clearly you must be talking about the Ultimate Universe SS, not the one who has proven he can survive novas and black holes. Are you saying Superman would hit so hard that the Surfer would never get a chance to do anything? I doubt it and, with no PIS and the Surfer doing all he could do, he's got the edge.
Superman survived energybased attacks beyond those of the Surfer, like an direct blast from Imperiex, the Omega Effect, Beams etc.
He is stronger then an amped Surfer.
Has the same, or even faster combatspeed.
His HV is powerful enough to block DS Omega Beam, which was powerful enough to almost kill the Surfer. His HV would surely pierce Surfers skin and flesh.
So, Surfer could try to drain him, but he couldn't drain enough of S energy before he would have his hands full.
He could create Kryptonite, but then again, Superman flew through an large area full of Kryptonite and through an Red Sun, it would take too long for the K to safe the Surfer.
The Surfer can withstand an great deal of physical pain, he was KOed though by the WWH and Thor gives him an hard time too. Thor on the other hand, who is SS equal 😛, was KOed by S.
Energy attacks and manipulations are fine but S is used to fight them, has an high resistance to them and is not slow enough to get as easily defeated by such "cheap" methods as Knite, against wothy opponents not those freaks on earth 😉.
The best the Surfer could do would be surviving and wearing Superman down, with Knite and Solardrain, or Red Star light, suposed he would be able to break through S mental defenses to know about his weaknesses. By sheer force Superman has the edge and would beat Norrin down.
I'm generous and give the Surfer 2/10.
Oh and thanks for your polite answer, it's not really common here.
People like King Candy try to be insulting if someone disagrees with them. 🙁
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman survived energybased attacks beyond those of the Surfer, like an direct blast from Imperiex, the Omega Effect, Beams etc.He is stronger then an amped Surfer.
Has the same, or even faster combatspeed.
His HV is powerful enough to block DS Omega Beam, which was powerful enough to almost kill the Surfer. His HV would surely pierce Surfers skin and flesh.
So, Surfer could try to drain him, but he couldn't drain enough of S energy before he would have his hands full.
He could create Kryptonite, but then again, Superman flew through an large area full of Kryptonite and through an Red Sun, it would take too long for the K to safe the Surfer.
The Surfer can withstand an great deal of physical pain, he was KOed though by the WWH and Thor gives him an hard time too. Thor on the other hand, who is SS equal 😛, was KOed by S.
Energy attacks and manipulations are fine but S is used to fight them, has an high resistance to them and is not slow enough to get as easily defeated by such "cheap" methods as Knite, against wothy opponents not those freaks on earth 😉.
The best the Surfer could do would be surviving and wearing Superman down, with Knite and Solardrain, or Red Star light, suposed he would be able to break through S mental defenses to know about his weaknesses. By sheer force Superman has the edge and would beat Norrin down.
I'm generous and give the Surfer 2/10.
Oh and thanks for your polite answer, it's not really common here.
People like King Candy try to be insulting if someone disagrees with them. 🙁
I'm generous and give the Surfer 2/10. 😆
Originally posted by BobbyD
I guess my point is there are characters who can take out the Hulk before he gets to a stage where you now have a problem on your hands.
True. The other issue is this stage/range is very unpredicatable.
Like when Banner was shot in the Head at point blank range, and almost instantaneously turned in to Hulk regenerating all damage....or when he was getting almost immediately pwned by Abomination one minute and the next was so pissed he punched a hole through Abomination.
Back on topic Thanos takes this.