The Spectre vs Thanos w/ig

Originally posted by Air Legend
Their are so many flaws with this post (and with all your posts for that matter). I don't listen to what you have to say for this reason only, but also because you exaggerate almost everything that a DC character does.

The only thing wrong with the post is that you no refute. You downplay every DC character. So you aren't one to talk or say shit about what I do, when you do far worse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
So then me saying Surfer is more powerful than he is depicted means what?

Originally posted by Air Legend
So you exaggerate any character that you argue for. All the more reason to ignore you. 🙂

Originally posted by Air Legend
👆
Full powered Spectre did not show anything more impressive than a Galactus ship powered Doom from Secret Wars 1.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Kidding, right?

Originally posted by Air Legend
How? They both were depicted as feeling every atom in existence and both said that the their slightest moves could alter reality (not those exact lines but you know what I mean). Doom even claimed to have omnipotence. 🙂

Spectre is omnipotent to begin with, He gained much much more when merged with the Source.

Hahaha dumbass everyone knows that Source=Galactus and his ship.uhuh

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Are you referring to the Spectre merged with the Source?

Spectre is omnipotent to begin with, He gained much much more when merged with the Source.

You have contradicted the very meaning of omnipotence if you say he was already omnipotent and then gained more power.

Originally posted by Estacado
Hahaha dumbass everyone knows that Source=Galactus and his ship.uhuh

Originally posted by Kutulu
You have contradicted the very meaning of omnipotence if you say he was already omnipotent and then gained more power.

This is why I stay out of these threads...ermmnone

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
crylaugh
They are different levels of omnipotence, in comics anyway as silly as that sounds.
Spectre became God when he merged with the Source, thus reaching the absolute level of Omnipotence.

This is why I stay out of these threads...ermmnone

My point is that there are differences between the following terms:
* Omnipotence.
* Limitless.
* Infinite.

Limitless implies that you have a reserve to tap into which has no limit, however, the ability to tap into that source to amplify your current attributes may have limits.

Infinite implies that your ability in a given field is infinite, as in different from limitless in that it starts off at an infinite level, instead of a finite level with the ability to grow to infinity. Infinite also implies that it's in regards to one constant; for example, infinite strength would mean you could lift / bend / pull anything, but might not necessarily allow you to do other things such as bend dimensional barriers or interact in more dimensions.

Omnipotence literally means "all power", meaning that your power would be infinite and the numbers of powers that you have would encompass every power which exists (infinite). So in other words would be infinite in infinite ways, exceeding even the "transfinite" (term used by Marvel).

I'll give some examples of my point:
* The One Above All: Omnipotent. Can literally make any power up, to do anything, to anyone, at any time, with infinite ability. Meaning snuffing out the Omniverse with but a thought, or creating a multiverse with an infinite number of boundless universes within.

* Infinite: The ultimate nullifier. Capable of swallowing all of the universes within the multiverse and recreating them, but only after starting a chain reaction process. Takes a moment to activate, and takes the mind to guide it on what to do. Has no constraints but the person wielding it.

* Limitless: The Hulk's strength would be limitless. Meaning it starts off at a set amount and can grow to the amount needed to do a certain task, whatever that task may be. Whether that means punching through a meteor twice as big as earth or holding together tectonic plates of a planet, he can call upon "limitless" reserves of strength in order to amplify his pre-existing attribute level.

Originally posted by Air Legend
So you exaggerate any character that you argue for. All the more reason to ignore you. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You sound like an idiot. Really. Looking for anything to put me down. You can't even formulate your own opinions. All you do is regurgitate shit from others. I certainly don't respect a parakeet who just repeats what he's heard.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's correct.

Then I must admit I doesn't see the reason why you brought up the incident with the five cubes when you knew that one could accomplish it???

"proof?"

I've never read that on panel, have you?
If you believe that one section of that one handbook is law
(although defied continuously across most Marvel titles)
Then you must also believe Phoenix saved Galactus,
and the previous Universe. 😂

Of course we all know that's a croc of shit

In fact,
I challenge anyone to find that term on panel (Megaverse) please try.

Only Megaverse I know of in Marvel,
are the TWO MegaverseS associated with the Two Brothers.
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That opens up another paradox.

Like Marvel is a single Megaverse ... that contains TWO MegaverseS. dontgetit[/B]

I explained to you why Marvel is perfectly IMO capable of being both a megaverse and a Omniverse. And that line of thinking was until recently like you said yourself in another thread the line of thinking by marvel in respect to Mark Gruenvald.

Interesting,
and yet the Marvel Omniverse has been referenced across multiple titles since 92.

Yes but not intil recently was it shown in the handbooks. And marvels own page has yet to use the word Omniverse.

[QUOTE=10029658]But what we have never seen, is this "Megaverse" being reference, ever.[/B]

Eric posted the scan right above and you have answear it so no need for me to illustrate it.

JLA/Avengers is inconsequential to me.

If I accept that as an official Marvel issue,
then I have to restructure everything I know about the Marvel cosmology.
And that ain't gonna happen based on that garbage.[/B]

I'm not asking you to rethinking you cosmology since it is non canon by marvel, but when debating a DC character (which makes cross over fights a problem) we have to accept there canon and in there canon Spectre still did what he did.

Actually it was Krona with Tech:

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I will respond to this a bit down.

I never said it was Krona.
Krona merged the Two Universes,
when Krona and his Tech got owned,
Reality immediately began to "Re-Order itself"
Spectre finished the job by separating the Two realities completely.

Krona getting owned by Flash and a single Hawkeye arrow. 😆

They demolished his Tech:

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Btw.

The Two Universes were already fixing themselves
immediately after Krona's Tech was destroyed:

"Reality is re-ordering itself"

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Spectre only speeded up or finalized the process:

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I think you haven't observed the scans alot master I know crossovers despise you so that's where I will put the blame because here we clearly see what it is that is holding the two universes merged

http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72162264vs1.jpg

Middle scan at the top I see the infinity Gauntlet, something that looks like the cosmic cube, and maybe the ultimate nullifier, so maybe he used his tech to manipulate the items but as shown it was the items that kept the universes merged since the moment the tech is destroyed the items is no longer contained.

About the reordering of the universes I think you forgot to mention that they had no idea on what effect it would have.

http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72162264vs1.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=64093104dt3.jpg

So in reality is was still spectre that seperated the universes because we didn't know what would have happend if he didn't intefere, maybe they would have split maybe both would have been destroyed we simply doesn't know.

👆 [/B]

still haven't found the damm book but I'm searching.

Originally posted by Mr Master
On Panel > Bio

On Panel plus Bio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bio

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[B]FIVE On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse! (actually Illustrated)

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Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

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Infinity Abyss - (2002)

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

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Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

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X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

I have plenty more On Panel examples, let me know if this isn't enough.
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(Bio)

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Spiderman Handbook - (Late 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

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Avenger Most Wanted Files - (Late 2007)

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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Btw. On Panel evidence agrees 100% with this bio:

"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"

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I will not debate this again. (there's no need)

If anyone has any on panel proof depicting Marvel as a single Megaverse,
please post it,
if not,
there's absolutely NO counter to this post. 🙂 [/B]

I, aswell as the others who have/are involved in this subject have already seen most of those scans so I don't see the reason in posting them, since they aren't contradicting my point.

Nobody is disputing the fact that Marvel calls the totality in which their stories take place an Omniverse.

The point I was making is the fact that if the term Omniverse is used according to its true meaning, it would include all the comic book companies in which, as the handbook states, a company's line is reffered to as a Megaverse.

🙂

Thanos with IG>>>>>>>>>>>>Spectre....

an infinite amount of times.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Then I must admit I doesn't see the reason why you brought up the incident
with the five cubes when you knew that one could accomplish it???

Originally posted by Utrigita
I explained to you why Marvel is perfectly IMO
capable of being both a megaverse and a Omniverse.

The notion is completely senseless.

Originally posted by Utrigita
And that line of thinking was until recently like you said yourself in another thread the line of thinking by marvel in respect to Mark Gruenvald.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Eric posted the scan right above and you have answear it so no need for me to illustrate it.

He posted a single bio,
I posted Two bios, with 5 On Panel confirmations.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm not asking you to rethinking you cosmology since it is non canon by marvel,
but when debating a DC character (which makes cross over fights a problem)
we have to accept there canon and in there canon Spectre still did what he did.

According to that cross-over garbage,

1. Toaa created DC,
2. Wanda, Alien Entity, Entropy/Genis heck, even Sis-Neg,
all Remade the DC reality.
3. Marvel is just a single Multiverse.
4. Flash/Haweye > Krona (who defeated all the items)

Finally, the Celestial Guardians of Marvel can erase DC anytime they wish.

Sweet, I like it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I will respond to this a bit down.

I think you haven't observed the scans alot master
I know crossovers despise you
so that's where I will put the blame
because here we clearly see what it is that is holding the two universes merged

http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72162264vs1.jpg

Middle scan at the top I see the infinity Gauntlet, something that looks like the cosmic cube, and maybe the ultimate nullifier, so maybe he used his tech to manipulate the items but as shown it was the items that kept the universes merged since the moment the tech is destroyed the items is no longer contained.

if indeed, it took all those items to merge Two universes,
this garbage is a bigger joke than I ever imagined.

You should be laughing with me.

Originally posted by Utrigita
About the reordering of the universes
I think you forgot to mention that they had no idea on what effect it would have.

http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=72162264vs1.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=64093104dt3.jpg

So in reality is was still spectre that seperated the universes
because we didn't know what would have happend if he didn't intefere,
maybe they would have split maybe both would have been destroyed we simply doesn't know.

It's true what would have happened is unknown,
but the Universes were re=ordering themselves without the Spectre.

I submit, Spectre did finalize the job.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I, aswell as the others who have/are involved in this subject
have already seen most of those scans
so I don't see the reason in posting them,

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
since they aren't contradicting my point.

Well my 5 On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse does contradict the notion,
accompanied by Two Winter/2007 Marvel bios that confirm Marvel's Omniverse.

On top of that,
LT dealt with Two MegaverseS On Panel and in his bio,
so that right there makes the notion even more moot.

Unless LT manipulated Two MegaverseS withIn one Megaverse. dontgetit

Yea, I agree, that would be ridiculous.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Nobody is disputing the fact that Marvel calls the totality in which their stories take place an Omniverse.

The point I was making is the fact that if the term Omniverse is used according to its true meaning, it would include all the comic book companies in which, as the handbook states, a company's line is reffered to as a Megaverse.

The handbookS I posted from said Marvel is an Omniverse.
The On Panel proof is irrefutable, the Omniverse is literally illustrated so ...

this is why I won't debate this further, cause there is no debate.

So then the final take on this matter is that Spectre wins, he is second only to the presenece and is obviosuly equal to LT. He could literally walk up to Thanos and remove the IG from him and Thanos will not be able to do anything about it. At best look at this as a fight between LT vs Thanos IG.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Are you referring to the Spectre merged with the Source?

Spectre is omnipotent to begin with, He gained much much more when merged with the Source.

True, I don't believe it shows him merged with The Source/God but merely showing The Spectre on a lot smaller scale whats Gods nature is, Alpha and Omega, beginning and End.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So then the final take on this matter is that Spectre wins, he is second only to the presenece and is obviosuly equal to LT. He could literally walk up to Thanos and remove the IG from him and Thanos will not be able to do anything about it. At best look at this as a fight between LT vs Thanos IG.