Originally posted by janus77
a "Real Life IMP" really couldn't exist. can't have "infinite" mass when you have a universe left outside.anyway, Flash wouldn't be able to deliver an IMP because the heat and energies flowing around the area of "infinite" mass, would repel matter for like billions of light years around... like a black hole only in reverse, I think.
Logic doesn't apply to comics.
Flash has already done an IMP before, and survived fine.
Refer to my above post as to why.
well, to a certain extent they try and apply logic.
it's just that reason is often subsidiary to narrative and excitement.
Flash is no faster than Surfer, yet Surfer isn't doing IMPs... but as far as forum fights go... you can't takeaway IMPs from Surfer's arsenal. indeed, he's far better equipped to pull off IMPs, given his uber durability and ability to create and project matter constructs (effectively removing the focus of the infinite mass, from his person to something a good deal further away)...
Originally posted by janus77
well, to a certain extent they try and apply logic.
it's just that reason is often subsidiary to narrative and excitement.Flash is no faster than Surfer, yet Surfer isn't doing IMPs... but as far as forum fights go... you can't takeaway IMPs from Surfer's arsenal. indeed, he's far better equipped to pull off IMPs, given his uber durability and ability to create and project matter constructs (effectively removing the focus of the infinite mass, from his person to something a good deal further away)...
Originally posted by janus77
well, to a certain extent they try and apply logic.
it's just that reason is often subsidiary to narrative and excitement.Flash is no faster than Surfer, yet Surfer isn't doing IMPs... but as far as forum fights go... you can't takeaway IMPs from Surfer's arsenal. indeed, he's far better equipped to pull off IMPs, given his uber durability and ability to create and project matter constructs (effectively removing the focus of the infinite mass, from his person to something a good deal further away)...
pass me some of that weed your smoking
Originally posted by janus77
a "Real Life IMP" really couldn't exist. can't have "infinite" mass when you have a universe left outside.anyway, Flash wouldn't be able to deliver an IMP because the heat and energies flowing around the area of "infinite" mass, would repel matter for like billions of light years around... like a black hole only in reverse, I think.
Well it depends on if you think the universe is infinite or not
And by universe i mean the true universe not just what we can percieve with modern science
Originally posted by Inhuman
🤣Thought you were serious for a second. Nice1 👆
Flash has been clocked at over 150,000 x light WHILE ON EARTH
He has been shown going faster then the speed of thought (which in rl is pretty damn slow but in comics is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY beyond light)
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Surfer has NEVEr been shown going a couple of hundred x lightFlash has been clocked at over 150,000 x light WHILE ON EARTH
He has been shown going faster then the speed of thought (which in rl is pretty damn slow but in comics is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY beyond light)
omg! forget the speed force, what about the turbulence that is created by that speed? dc garbage strikes again
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Surfer has NEVEr been shown going a couple of hundred x lightFlash has been clocked at over 150,000 x light WHILE ON EARTH
He has been shown going faster then the speed of thought (which in rl is pretty damn slow but in comics is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY beyond light)
heh. this is a perfect time to post one of my favorite quotes on KMC of all time.🙂
Originally posted by great_dane
wally west has never used his powers to their fullest, becasue if he were to move faster than the speedforce(which he can), the uninerse itself would inplode and not exist anymore. so even if eternity is the ebodyment of all living matter, and has been around since the beginning of time, the flash would be able to kamikaze him.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
flash is trillions of time faster then surferpass me some of that weed your smoking
Well it depends on if you think the universe is infinite or not
And by universe i mean the true universe not just what we can percieve with modern science
Twists the very nature of space to travel from one side of the universe to the other:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_06.jpg
Travels a half million light years in a moment:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-006.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-007.jpg
Let's do the math. 500,000 light years in about 5 seconds, this is before speeding up even further.
That's 3 trillion times the speed of light. He continues to go even faster after the initial half million light years. Explain again how flash is trillions of times more faster than Surfer? 😕
Originally posted by Kutulu
Twists the very nature of space to travel from one side of the universe to the other:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/ss_enslavers_06.jpgTravels a half million light years in a moment:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-006.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_Vol3-007.jpgLet's do the math. 500,000 light years in about 5 seconds, this is before speeding up even further.
[b]That's 3 trillion times the speed of light.
He continues to go even faster after the initial half million light years. Explain again how flash is trillions of times more faster than Surfer? 😕 [/B]
Originally posted by Board Walker
Logic doesn't apply to comics.Flash has already done an IMP before, and survived fine.
Refer to my above post as to why.
There's is a sort-of internal logic to how the Flashes operate most of the time, but it only pays lip-service to relativistic principles, rather than obeying them. Judge them by the effects they actually produce, rather than by how a speedster in some sort of hard-science-fiction story might operate.
The key to keep in mind is that how hard he's hitting really has nothing to do with how fast he's going or relativistic mass dilation. Those are really just wind-up and window-dressing for a Magic Speed-Force Assisted Super Punch. This does in fact hit very hard, and certainly harder the more energy the Flash pulls from the Speed Force. That's not as hard as an extremely relativistically-dilated object would actually hit, but still hard enough to KO (but not kill, splatter, or vaporize) a White Martian. That's still no small feat.
Now, to answer the thread starter's question. In assessing how each person would take such a hit, don't answer: "Could this character withstand a near light-speed collision with a fragment a black hole?" Rather answer the question, "How would this character hold up against a blow that would KO a White Martian?"
I'd answer thusly:
1. Batman -splatter
2. Aquaman -KO, maybe worse. He's varied a lot over the years.
3. Spiderman -splatter
4. Wolverine -Splatters soft tissues and organs, but eventually recovers.
5. Thing -KO
6. Colossus -KO
7. WW Hulk -Feels it, but quickly shakes it off.
8. Thor -Not sure, I'm thinking hurt, but maybe KO
9. Classic Juggernaut -No serious damage
10. Hercules -Not sure, see Thor above
11. Martian Manhunter -About as tough as a White? KO
12. Superman -As portrayed recently, hurt.
13. Silver Surfer -Hurt, continued blows might add up.
14. Thanos -Feels it, but not significantly harmed by a single blow.
15. Blob -KO, but might actually survive. All that goo might diffuse the impact enough to save him.
My calls are subjective and imprecise, of course. I'm hardly an expert on how all those characters stack up compared to a White Martian, and it's been years since I read the Hyper-Clan story in any case. But you get the idea.
If you want the right answer, you first have to ask the right question.
(Apart from Life, the Universe, and Everything, that is 😉 )
To be fair, the White Martian KO wasn't at top speed, nor was he going all out.
And Bart was far more powerful with the Speed Force, hell, he WAS the Speed Force.
So basically, take Wally going all out, like in 'Divided We Fall' (The JLU cartoon where Wally hits the Speed Force), multiply that by his real showings in comics, and finally adjust Wally's speed to where Bart is.
1-6 is dead. Hulk may die, but his HF might bring him back. He's KOed for sure. Thor is out, but he'll probably live. Juggs won't notice, though he might go flying. Herc is KOed, but will also live. Martian is KOed, might live, might die. I'm not entirely sure if he can survive maxed out. Supes is KOed. Surfer is KOed. Thanos is gonna be knocked on his ass, and might be a bit dizzy, but he'll be alright after abit. Co-sign with Laminator. Blob actually has a small chance of surviving it.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
1.Dead
2.Dead
3.Dead
4.Temporarily dead
5.Shattered
6.severely dinged or dead
7.Injured badly but healed eventually
8.Koed,probably concussed
9.unfazed
10.See Thor
11.Splattered but he heals
12.See Thor
13.See Thor
14.Unsure whether it's a ko,but he definetly won't be dandy
15.Flash doesn't move him an inch....he rips a hole through.
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Surfer has NEVEr been shown going a couple of hundred x lightFlash has been clocked at over 150,000 x light WHILE ON EARTH
He has been shown going faster then the speed of thought (which in rl is pretty damn slow but in comics is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY beyond light)
The Surfer has easily exceeded ' a couple hundred times' C.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Probably should've read the words . . . galaxys don't "streak by" when you teleport.
I did read it. I didn't READ it thou.
I forgot surfer enters hyperspace
So this is fastest shown hyperspace speed (Couple hundred c?)
Against fastest speed force speed (I dont know the exact number but I know it is over 1 million C)
and MAYBE I exagerrated a wee bit
Flash isnt Trillions of time faster then surfer
But he is faster by a rediculous margin 😎
Re: A single IMP from the Flash(Bart)
Originally posted by KMC_Drifterimo,
Bart is travelling in the Speed Force at his fastest speed ever...and he delivers a single IMP to each of the following opponents....who would survive...and who would not?...and what would happen to those that did or did not survive?1. Batman
2. Aquaman
3. Spiderman
4. Wolverine
5. Thing
6. Colossus
7. WW Hulk
8. Thor
9. Classic Juggernaut
10. Hercules
11. Martian Manhunter
12. Superman
13. Silver Surfer
14. Thanos
15. Blob...just for laughs
The rest, [with the exception of #12-14]..... Die.
