Originally posted by King_Mungi
His recent showings have been bad, but your using handbooks as a clear cut way of how the fight occurs. Handbooks are often wrongHell Cage just beat Wrecker, and we know for a fact Wrecker is vastly above him 😬
It's popularity that counts these days, especially if there's a movie in the works.
Samson once knocked out the Hulk with one punch. He's supposed be as strong as base level Savage Hulk (around 70 - 90 tons).
The battle between Samson & Rhino sounds interesting. I like to see Rhino when he's not portrayed as a chump. I mean class 80 strength has got to mean something!! He even got punched out by Cap one time.
I'd say Colossus wins 8/10.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
When did Samson easily defeat Rhino?
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Originally posted by tkitnaDo you realize that Doc cheap shotted him?
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Originally posted by snoopdogg
Do you realize that Doc cheap shotted him?
Eh, he hit him in the back I guess. He still took out the mighty Rhino in two panels.
I do have their next fight though and will have to admit that Rhino had Samson on the ropes and would have beaten him if the Doc didnt play opossum. Oh well.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Oh come on! how many times have we all been over this? Handbooks are often wrong with their stats. 😬Sampson has done many things over class 70
Case in point:
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We must understand that all comic characters at times perform greater than what they are listed at. This is due to the stress factor and the fact that many writers don't know how much strength a certain feat requires. For example, Spider-man has not only class 50 feats but a couple of rare class 100 ones too. But his strength is regarded, as of now, 25tons. So we must take these handbook stats as either the character's normal calm strength or as a tier guide to show who is stronger. This is writers way of giving their opinion on who is stronger. So by Doc being listed at 75tons doesn't mean he can't lift over 75tons, it just mean that a class 100 is stronger. So Colossus is definitely stronger (by writer's opinion).
Now, determining the stronger of two characters of the same tier (such as class 100) can only be done by feats. This is because it is impossible to determine the stronger otherwise. Personally, I look at the handbooks stats as a guide to a character's normal (non-stressed) strength. And I just take any rare feats they perform over that as the writers not noing the strength required for that feat or that the character was under a lot of stress. Know that any combination of the two can lead to PIS if the feat is rare enough.
Sasquatch is listed at class 70, now does he look stressed here to achieve this feat? As stated in the comic he can have uncalcuable strength due to Tanaraq, but he is still listed as class 70
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I literally can find dozens of errors in the stats from fighting skills, speed, strength, etc. with feats of people really not even trying doing said feats :/
Another example from the recent Wild Child entry they gave him 3/7 (some training) in fighting skill yet as stated he was trained by the best and refered to be as one of the best martial artist on the planet. He was trained by Wolverine, Department H, Secret Empire, Sabretooth, Alpha Flight, X-Factor, Puck and even Nick Fury yet they say he has "some" training *snickers*
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch is listed at class 70, now does he look stressed here to achieve this feat? As stated in the comic he can have uncalcuable strength due to Tanaraq, but he is still listed as class 701. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/Sasplane1.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/UncannyX-Men120b.jpgI literally can find dozens of errors in the stats from fighting skills, speed, strength, etc. with feats of people really not even trying doing said feats :/
Another example from the recent Wild Child entry they gave him 3/7 (some training) in fighting skill yet as stated he was trained by the best and refered to be as one of the best martial artist on the planet. He was trained by Wolverine, Department H, Secret Empire, Sabretooth, Alpha Flight, X-Factor, Puck and even Nick Fury yet they say he has "some" training *snickers*
Geez, folks, stop it with the handbook stats. In fact, wipe your ass with your official handbook. Now.
Originally posted by Batroc
It's popularity that counts these days, especially if there's a movie in the works.Samson once knocked out the Hulk with one punch. He's supposed be as strong as base level Savage Hulk (around 70 - 90 tons).
The battle between Samson & Rhino sounds interesting. I like to see Rhino when he's not portrayed as a chump. I mean class 80 strength has got to mean something!! He even got punched out by Cap one time.
I'd say Colossus wins 8/10.
I know he's inconsistent (messing around with Thing,) but he's closed earthquake fissures and hauled millions of tons while calm, and with ease.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Rhino has at no point in time been over CL50...Back to the thread Colossus > Doc 10/10
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Doc with long hair could be a bit stronger than Colossus. Remember, he's only as strong as his hair is long.
Hah! I made a limerick! 😄
Originally posted by h1a8Nice post.
We must understand that [B]all comic characters at times perform greater than what they are listed at. This is due to the stress factor and the fact that many writers don't know how much strength a certain feat requires. For example, Spider-man has not only class 50 feats but a couple of rare class 100 ones too. But his strength is regarded, as of now, 25tons. So we must take these handbook stats as either the character's normal calm strength or as a tier guide to show who is stronger. This is writers way of giving their opinion on who is stronger. So by Doc being listed at 75tons doesn't mean he can't lift over 75tons, it just mean that a class 100 is stronger. So Colossus is definitely stronger (by writer's opinion).Now, determining the stronger of two characters of the same tier (such as class 100) can only be done by feats. This is because it is impossible to determine the stronger otherwise. Personally, I look at the handbooks stats as a guide to a character's normal (non-stressed) strength. And I just take any rare feats they perform over that as the writers not noing the strength required for that feat or that the character was under a lot of stress. Know that any combination of the two can lead to PIS if the feat is rare enough. [/B]
Bottom line is Class 75 is not a 75 tons max. It's just a where Marvel puts a character in the pecking order, or totem pole if you will.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Nice post.Bottom line is Class 75 is not a 75 tons max. It's just a where Marvel puts a character in the pecking order, or totem pole if you will.
Yeah, it's more like a ranking system. I'm sure the first editions of the handbook had Thor and Wonderman listed as 95 tons and Hercules at 100 tons. It's just a way of saying Thor and Wonderman are roughly equal, and Hercules is a bit more. This was before 'Class 100'. Obviously these characters have lifted much more at times. It's probably futile to try and pin down how strong they really are. If a story requires a heroic effort like lifting the Midgard Serpent, weighing millions of tons, then it can happen. The next issue the character may be fighting the mafia, or Mr.Hyde, and the hero will still be seen to struggle, otherwise the story has no tension.
