Originally posted by Battlehammer
wait mungi you just agreed MK not a top tier MA fighter.............dident you just have an arguement with me wer eyou said he was top tier?
He is top tier, just not the best in the top tier. Never said he wasn't top tier now did I? Just said Daredevil was more skilled, but not by a large margain
Originally posted by King_Mungi
He is top tier, just not the best in the top tier. Never said he wasn't top tier now did I? Just said Daredevil was more skilled, but not by a large margain
well ya you pritty much did say that since you agreed he not as good as the top tier MA's.
Originally posted by BattlehammerJust because Mungi smokes a lot of rocks, it doesn't give you the right to pick on him. 😬
umm you just agreed with jrodslam that MK was not as good as the top tier MA and that he was slightly above punisher.well ya you pritty much did say that since you agreed he not as good as the top tier MA's.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
You were implying he could do basically everything to MK with ease, such as removing his weapons. That's what I have a problem with.
Ok. Maybe not with ease. But im sure DD wont be like "Dammit! I cant seem to get tha damn _____ out of his hand!".
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Pure fighting ability
Not far behind at all. Fury should be listed as top tier overall imo.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
You will be quite impressed with what Moon Knight has dodged in his career, even rivaling Daredevil and yes I know that's a bold statement. Hopefully in a month or so I will have the respect thread done...well if all goes well.
I msure i would be impressed. Him rivaling DD dodging/agility is a bold statement indeed, lol. Ill be waiting for that respect thread. I give preops when they are due.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well he can fire multiple grenades at once as he did for Spider-Man. Did you see how the electrical rod was used?
Got a scan or either or. Preferably the rod.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No it was after his death and resurrection and gaining new weapons and armor.Marc Spector: Moon Knight [V.3] #41 [It's an Infinity War tie-in], and he gained his new armor in #39
Yea, but thats later on in his series. Does he have that suff now? Mainly the armor and rod? I have the new series. Ill check. But thats like me saying DD in the armor and staff from the "Fall from Grace" arc. If Marc still wears it, then i guess we can use it. 😬
Originally posted by Battlehammer
umm you just agreed with jrodslam that MK was not as good as the top tier MA and that he was slightly above punisher.well ya you pritty much did say that since you agreed he not as good as the top tier MA's.
Errrr? No I said he isn't the top of the top tier, you can still be in the top tier and not be number one. Also Punisher is one of the top tiers in skill as well. So point?
No, I said he isn't number #1, look at the martial arts ranking thread, how many people are in the top tier? Is it listed who is the best in the top tier or people just said they are in the top tier and no overall ranking of how they place with each other?
There is no overall ranking, so thus Moon Knight is in the group of top tier, just not #1. Get it? 😬
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"Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine"
As you can see there is no offical ranking just names of who are top tier. So just because one person in the top tier is better doesn't mean their not in the top tier.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Ok. Maybe not with ease. But im sure DD wont be like "Dammit! I cant seem to get tha damn _____ out of his hand!".
Agreed
Originally posted by jrodslam
Not far behind at all. Fury should be listed as top tier overall imo.
Yeppers, but he seems to be overlooked
Originally posted by jrodslam
I msure i would be impressed. Him rivaling DD dodging/agility is a bold statement indeed, lol. Ill be waiting for that respect thread. I give preops when they are due.
Not sure when I will have it done, but it's going to be big...so thus take a lot of time 🙁
Originally posted by jrodslam
Got a scan or either or. Preferably the rod.
Not at the moment, I have a whole wack of stuff I have to scan before I get to it. I do it in order so it's easier to organize.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Yea, but thats later on in his series. Does he have that suff now? Mainly the armor and rod? I have the new series. Ill check. But thats like me saying DD in the armor and staff from the "Fall from Grace" arc. If Marc still wears it, then i guess we can use it. 😬
I honestly don't know, and they havn't made mention if that's what he is using in the new series. Well like I said depends on the incarnation of Moon Knight as he got a strength aumentation when he got the armor and even Spider-Man comments he is faster and stronger before. Currently he has lost that strength upgrade, and I believe is just peak human..or maybe less due to his injuries.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Errrr? No I said he isn't the top of the top tier, you can still be in the top tier and not be number one. Also Punisher is one of the top tiers in skill as well. So point?No, I said he isn't number #1, look at the martial arts ranking thread, how many people are in the top tier? Is it listed who is the best in the top tier or people just said they are in the top tier and no overall ranking of how they place with each other?
There is no overall ranking, so thus Moon Knight is in the group of top tier, just not #1. Get it? 😬
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"Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine"As you can see there is no offical ranking just names of who are top tier. So just because one person in the top tier is better doesn't mean their not in the top tier.
umm you agreed he was not as good as the top tier MA. If he not as good as any of the top tier MA then he really not top tier period.
also punsher is third tier so being slightly above punisher would not make MK even close to top tier.
No punisher is not top tier at all...........(and I read punisher regularly).
ya and you notice how MK and punisher names arnt in that tier..........
also agree that MK is not as good as any of the top tiers pritty much is agreeing that he does not belong as a top tier...........
Originally posted by Battlehammer
umm you agreed he was not as good as the top tier MA. If he not as good as any of the top tier MA then he really not top tier period.
No I didn't, where or where did I say he was not as good as any of top tier MA? Oh right... I didn't...ever 😬
Originally posted by Battlehammer
also punsher is third tier so being slightly above punisher would not make MK even close to top tier.
What? Who put him third tier? He has gone toe to toe with Daredevil in the past, and has gotten the better of him [while Daredevil has gotten the better of him as well]. I also see you even have Nick Fury in second tier *snickers* What a messed up ranking as Green Arrow, Wild Cat, Red Hood is listed as skilled as Hawkman *snickers*
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No punisher is not top tier at all...........(and I read punisher regularly).
Apparently not as he has taken on Spider-Man, Wolverine and Daredevil and was winning and has beaten them.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
ya and you notice how MK and punisher names arnt in that tier..........
*GASP* and before me Hawkman was on the bottom of the tier, and I mean right at the bottom. It's the same for all members of Alpha Flight in the other ranking thread. They even had Machine Man as streetlevel...*snickers* Half the people know jack shit about the characters they vote into the tiers and that's a fact. Like I said wait for the respect thread
Originally posted by Battlehammer
also agree that MK is not as good as any of the top tiers pritty much is agreeing that he does not belong as a top tier...........
What? all I said was Daredevil was a better martial artist and just barely. SO where are you getting I said he doesn't belong in the top tier
Originally posted by King_Mungi
No I didn't, where or where did I say he was not as good as any of top tier MA? Oh right... I didn't...ever 😬
Jrodslam clearly goes "spector is not as skilled as top tier MA"
You go "Agreed"
that sound like you agreeing that he not.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
What? Who put him third tier? He has gone toe to toe with Daredevil in the past, and has gotten the better of him [while Daredevil has gotten the better of him as well]. I also see you even have Nick Fury in second tier *snickers* *
...........almost every time they fight punisher gets wtf tooled on by DD. The only thing that even elts him fight DD haft the time is weapons and durability.
Nick Fury has his up and downs.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Apparently not as he has taken on Spider-Man, Wolverine and Daredevil and was winning and has beaten them.*
funny maybe you should read the issue. Becuase asside from it being the most pis issue ive ever read. Thge writer actted as if Logan and spiderman were retards and completely ignored some of there powers like spider sense and superhuman senses. On top of that he dident fight them dirrectly and had nothing to do with skill.
sorry,but the only time punisher beat spiderman in a fight was written by ennis and it was pis bullshit.
punisher beat wolverine again written by ennis and due to plot devices not skill.
ya Logan has dropped punisher with a glancing blow and litterally beat the shit oput of punisher with out trying before.
none of your example of punisher beating any one was due to any sort of skill it were written by the most pis author.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
What? all I said was Daredevil was a better martial artist and just barely. SO where are you getting I said he doesn't belong in the top tier
maybe the place were you straight up agreed he not as skilled as a top tier MA
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Jrodslam clearly goes "spector is not as skilled as top tier MA"You go "Agreed"
that sound like you agreeing that he not.
As I said a few times I'm agreeing to Daredevil being more skilled, not all top tiers or that MK isn't top tier. Besides when I said agreed, I was agreeing to the part about being above Punisher
Originally posted by Battlehammer
...........almost every time they fight punisher gets wtf tooled on by DD. The only thing that even elts him fight DD haft the time is weapons and durability.Nick Fury has his up and downs.
Oh? like when?
Far more ups then down, and that's a fact 😬
Originally posted by Battlehammer
funny maybe you should read the issue. Becuase asside from it being the most pis issue ive ever read. Thge writer actted as if Logan and spiderman were retards and completely ignored some of there powers like spider sense and superhuman senses. On top of that he dident fight them dirrectly and had nothing to do with skill.sorry,but the only time punisher beat spiderman in a fight was written by ennis and it was pis bullshit.
Funny I did read the issue hence why I'm quoting it. Hmmm..guess you got me there eh? Or really he used his combat skill to set traps and they fell for it. Then even later Daredevil and him had a clash and Frank prevailed. Oh yes I have read the issue.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
punisher beat wolverine again written by ennis and due to plot devices not skill.
Basically it was PIS because he lost eh?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
ya Logan has dropped punisher with a glancing blow and litterally beat the shit oput of punisher with out trying before.
and Punisher has blown off his face and ran him over with a steamroller, and blown off his lower half of his body.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
none of your example of punisher beating any one was due to any sort of skill it were written by the most pis author.
Why is it PIS? He is stated to be one of the best fighters, and even the lovely handbooks list him 7/7 in skill and in his comics constantly keep saying he is one of the top dogs in combat.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
maybe the place were you straight up agreed he not as skilled as a top tier MA
and yet I didn't
MK is one of the top dogs, howevre his current incarnation has no way of beating DD...unless your referring to when both characters were at there peak where I'd give DD the slight advantage, seeing as how he is an A-lister when it comes to MA, whereas most of MK's recent showings have been obscure... Hopefully Marvel expands on the character a little bit more...his last few comics were ehhh
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Then even later Daredevil and him had a clash and Frank prevailed. Oh yes I have read the issue.
It wasnt really a fight. Punisher sppeared him off the roof and DD held on and dislocated his shoulders while holding Punisher up. DD was the one who stopped the fall, while Punisher landed safely.
I do agree that the trap setting for Spidey, DD and Wolvie was good tectiacal skills. Some dont like it, but its expected.
And back to what Battlehammer said, it is true that the majority Punisher and Daredevil mix it up, DD makes him look foolish.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
MK is one of the top dogs, howevre his current incarnation has no way of beating DD...unless your referring to when both characters were at there peak where I'd give DD the slight advantage, seeing as how he is an A-lister when it comes to MA, whereas most of MK's recent showings have been obscure... Hopefully Marvel expands on the character a little bit more...his last few comics were ehhh
I will say that current MK, is much more ruthless than usual. Hes like a punisher in that aspect with slightly better h2h skills. I like the book and love the art. Not a bad read at all.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
MK is one of the top dogs, howevre his current incarnation has no way of beating DD...unless your referring to when both characters were at there peak where I'd give DD the slight advantage, seeing as how he is an A-lister when it comes to MA, whereas most of MK's recent showings have been obscure... Hopefully Marvel expands on the character a little bit more...his last few comics were ehhh
Pretty much I don't see current Moon Knight taking the majority, he even still has trouble walking down the stairs.
Originally posted by jrodslam
It wasnt really a fight. Punisher sppeared him off the roof and DD held on and dislocated his shoulders while holding Punisher up. DD was the one who stopped the fall, while Punisher landed safely.I do agree that the trap setting for Spidey, DD and Wolvie was good tectiacal skills. Some dont like it, but its expected.
And back to what Battlehammer said, it is true that the majority Punisher and Daredevil mix it up, DD makes him look foolish.
Still tactics prevailed, also to note classic Moon Knight beat Commodore Donny Planet easier then Iron Fist did 😉
Like? I know the pressure point fight
Originally posted by jrodslam
I will say that current MK, is much more ruthless than usual. Hes like a punisher in that aspect with slightly better h2h skills. I like the book and love the art. Not a bad read at all.
Truth me told classic Moon Knight was far more vicious actually
Originally posted by King_Mungi
As I said a few times I'm agreeing to [b]Daredevil being more skilled, not all top tiers or that MK isn't top tier. Besides when I said agreed, I was agreeing to the part about being above Punisher [/B]
Next time you agree with something you may want to make it clear what your agreeing with.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Oh? like when? [/B]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Funny I did read the issue hence why I'm quoting it. [/B]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Hmmm..guess you got me there eh? Or really he used his combat skill to set traps and they fell for it. [/B]
To bad they were all written like idiot. Spiderman was tricked by fake bombs………….which his spider sense should have told him were fake. That in it self is PIS
Logan drank acid……….you think that’s ok? For a man who has superhuman senses to accidentally drink acid. Again another PIS event. That’s just two of many.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Then even later Daredevil and him had a clash and Frank prevailed. Oh yes I have read the issue. [/B]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Basically it was PIS because he lost eh? [/B]
Punisher won through plot devices not skill which was pretty obvous.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and Punisher has blown off his face and ran him over with a steamroller, [/B]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and blown off his lower half of his body. [/B]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why is it PIS? [/B]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
He is stated to be one of the best fighters, [/B]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and even the lovely handbooks list him 7/7 in skill [/B]
Originally posted by King_Mungi
and in his comics constantly keep saying he is one of the top dogs in combat. [/B]
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Like most of the time
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daredevildodgeingpunishmn2.jpg
And? Moon Knight has done that as well *shrugs*
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Could have fooled me, I if you can’t see how BS it was
Because Wolverine lost?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
That has nothing to do with ones fighting skills. And to think so is ridiculous.
Actually it is, trapping, stealth are all fighting skill abilities. Tell a solider it's not a fighting skill and he would laugh at you :/
Originally posted by Battlehammer
To bad they were all written like idiot. Spiderman was tricked by fake bombs………….which his spider sense should have told him were fake. That in it self is PIS
Logan drank acid……….you think that’s ok? For a man who has superhuman senses to accidentally drink acid. Again another PIS event. That’s just two of many.
Spider-Man senses have been tricked in the past, so what's different here? Why would they tell him it's fake? wisper it in his ear as he already saw Wolverine take a blast.
You do know most acids don't have a smell right? Also he wouldn't know it was acid till he drank and have a sour taste..and burning. However, it would be to late he would have already drank the acid.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Ya through brute force and toughness. You should go re read it.
So being strong and tough to take hits has nothing to do with fighting skill? *snickers* Hmmm...honestly are you even listening to yourself?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Never said it was PIS. Said it was written by ennis. Who a jack off and hates people with powers and rights them down all the time.Punisher won through plot devices not skill which was pretty obvous.
So basically your merely upset as Wolverine didn't win right?
Now your saying gun usage isn't a skill either? *snickers*
Originally posted by Battlehammer
ya and? Like I said through plot devices.
Through weapons? that's what he uses...
Originally posted by Battlehammer
that never happen.
What are you talking about? Marvel Knights Punisher #36 left only flesh on his upper body while below is pure adamantium skelton. They even show him in the bathtub and his intestines just grew back.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
…………..Wolverine drank acid……………spiderman got tricked by fake bombs…………..punisher caught the hulk…………wolverine got taken down by an adam apple shot……….when in the same arc was still very much awake when his lower haft of his body was simply a skeleton………must I go on.
Gasp must be PIS if he drank somthing, errr? so what he has been fooled before by bombs even in his own comic. Punisher caught BRUCE BANNER, little different then then the Hulk. So Wolverine has a adamantium adam's apple? *snickers* So him surviving is PIS, good to know as you Wolverine fans have used this feat in other threads for his pain tolerance and healing factor.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No he isent.
Compelling arguement
Originally posted by Battlehammer
false. They do not. I don’t think he ever once been listed as so by a hand book.
Marvel Knights handbook listed him at that...so thus not false
Originally posted by Battlehammer
They never say he one of the best MA fighters.
They said he was one of the best fighters using all his skill.
