Current State of the Christian Faith

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Current State of the Christian Faith

i've often heard, here and elsewhere, that most "Christians" call themselves this simply because it's how they are raised
i can attest to this as i know people who say they are Christians but beyond "Jesus Christ was crucified" they don't know much else
apart from this there are also several factions and sects of Christianity each believing they alone are right about the word of Christ
so while it seems according to most polls most of the world is Christian the state of the faith seems rather...poor

Re: Current State of the Christian Faith

Originally posted by 123KID
i've often heard, here and elsewhere, that most "Christians" call themselves this simply because it's how they are raised
i can attest to this as i know people who say they are Christians but beyond "Jesus Christ was crucified" they don't know much else
apart from this there are also several factions and sects of Christianity each believing they alone are right about the word of Christ
so while it seems according to most polls most of the world is Christian the state of the faith seems rather...poor

The Christian population in the world is about 1/3. That means most of the people on Earth (2/3) are of other religions or nonreligious.

Re: Re: Current State of the Christian Faith

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The Christian population in the world is about 1/3. That means most of the people on Earth (2/3) are of other religions or nonreligious.

I think he means that no other faith has as many followers individually.

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think he means that no other faith has as many followers individually.

That would also be wrong, but I digress. 😄

Re: Re: Re: Re: Current State of the Christian Faith

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would also be wrong, but I digress. 😄

😕

Elaborate, VILE FIEND!!

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
😕

Elaborate, VILE FIEND!!

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

I'm not a fiend. 😠 😆

i meant Christianity was the most popular religion individually

this idea is supported here
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/

*shrug*

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

I'm not a fiend. 😠 😆

So he is right?

Originally posted by Bardock42
So he is right?

Yes, that is why I posted the link.

Re: Current State of the Christian Faith

Originally posted by 123KID
i've often heard, here and elsewhere, that most "Christians" call themselves this simply because it's how they are raised
i can attest to this as i know people who say they are Christians but beyond "Jesus Christ was crucified" they don't know much else
apart from this there are also several factions and sects of Christianity each believing they alone are right about the word of Christ
so while it seems according to most polls most of the world is Christian the state of the faith seems rather...poor

This begs the question, "Who Is a Christian?"

Most people of any religion are only believers because they were raised with that particular belief system, 123Kid. It's not a new revelation....just an obvious commentary on societal inheritance.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Most people of any religion are only believers because they were raised with that particular belief system, 123Kid. It's not a new revelation....just an obvious commentary on societal inheritance.

Most people will not change to another religion from the one they were born in not because of how they believe, but because of family pressure. I know for a fact; when I became a Buddhist, I got a lot of grief from my family about it.

Right (my condolences, btw, for your family's reaction)...that's why I feel like those census numbers are a bit skewed. If you eliminated the number of people who are actually kind of a murky agnostic, you'd likely dock at least a few percentage points off of every major religion in the world. But "tacit" Christians who never bother formally leave will always be counted as adherents.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Right (my condolences, btw, for your family's reaction)...that's why I feel like those census numbers are a bit skewed. If you eliminated the number of people who are actually kind of a murky agnostic, you'd likely dock at least a few percentage points off of every major religion in the world. But "tacit" Christians who never bother formally leave will always be counted as adherents.

Popularity seems to matter more to them then the truth. It always seems to boil down to most people believe...

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think he means that no other faith has as many followers individually.
In name only.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Right (my condolences, btw, for your family's reaction)...that's why I feel like those census numbers are a bit skewed. If you eliminated the number of people who are actually kind of a murky agnostic, you'd likely dock at least a few percentage points off of every major religion in the world. But "tacit" Christians who never bother formally leave will always be counted as adherents.

“The New Atheists” Ronald Aronson

We commonly hear that only a tiny percentage of Americans don't believe in God and that, as a Newsweek poll claimed this spring, 91 percent do. In fact, this is not true.

How many unbelievers are there? The question is difficult to assess accurately because of the challenges of constructing survey questions that do not tap into the prevailing biases about religion.

According to the American Religious Identification Survey, which interviewed more than 50,000 people, more than 29 million adults—one in seven Americans—declare themselves to be without religion.

The more recent Baylor Religion Survey ("American Piety in the 21st Century"😉 of more than 1,700 people, which bills itself as "the most extensive and sensitive study of religion ever conducted," calls for adjusting this number downward to exclude those who believe in a God but do not belong to a religion.

Fair enough. But Baylor's own Gallup survey is a bit shaky for at least two reasons. It counts anyone who believes in a "higher power" but not God as believing in God—casting a vast net over adherents of everything from spirit to history to love. Yet the study allows unbelievers only one option: to not believe in "anything beyond the physical world," leaving no space for those who regard themselves as agnostics or skeptics, secularists or humanists.

Contrast this with a more recent and more nuanced Financial Times/Harris poll of Europeans and Americans that allowed respondents to declare agnosticism as well as atheism: 18 percent of the more than 2,000 American respondents chose one or the other, while 73 percent affirmed belief in God or a supreme being.

A more general issue affects American surveys on religious beliefs, namely, the "social desirability effect," in which respondents are reluctant to give an unpopular answer in a society in which being religious is the norm. What happens when questions are framed to overcome this distortion? The FT/H poll tried to counteract it by allowing space not only for the customary "Not sure" but also for "Would prefer not to say"—and 6 percent of Americans chose this as their answer to the question of whether they believed in God or a supreme being. Add to this those who declared themselves as atheists or agnostics and, lo and behold, the possible sum of unbelievers is nearly one in four Americans.

[Then, there are tacit atheists.]

I am speaking first about many millions of Americans who nominally belong to a religion but effectively live without any active relationship either to it or to God, or belong to a church and attend services but are "tacit atheists," living day in and day out with only token reference to God. And I also include the many believers who accept the principle of America as a secular society. These include members of the liberal Jewish and Christian denominations, who have long practice in accommodating themselves to science and the modern world and who, as the National Council of Churches website tells us, may remain inspired by Genesis while not needing to take it in "literal, factual terms."

Many of these turned up in the most significant finding of the Baylor survey, namely that more than one in four American "believers" does not mean by this a personal God at all but a distant God who has little or nothing to do with the world or themselves. This sounds very much like the deist God of "unbelievers" Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine.

These believers, along with those who think of themselves as "spiritual," as well as professed unbelievers, help to explain why according to the Pew study so many Americans—32 percent—want less religious influence on government. Twenty-four percent say that President Bush talks too much about his religious faith and prayer, and 28 percent deny that the United States is a Christian nation. Most dramatically, a whopping 49 percent believe that Christian conservatives have gone too far "in trying to impose their religious values on the country."

This, then, is an unreported secret of American life: Considerable numbers of Americans, religious and secular, are becoming fed up with the in-your-face religion that has come to mark our society.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

An excellent article. It was posted sometime before and I happened to read it. My post was likely partly inspired by what I remembered from it.

So like I said, there's a lot to be said for census results, but only to a point. And my guess, both intuitively and from that article, is that the biggest gap from the poll to the truth is in agnostics.

Originally posted by 123KID
i've often heard, here and elsewhere, that most "Christians" call themselves this simply because it's how they are raised
i can attest to this as i know people who say they are Christians but beyond "Jesus Christ was crucified" they don't know much else
apart from this there are also several factions and sects of Christianity each believing they alone are right about the word of Christ
so while it seems according to most polls most of the world is Christian the state of the faith seems rather...poor

I agree 100 percent; I have an account with MySpace, and I often reference independent labels and local bands to experiment with other forms of music. While sifting through profiles, I happen to notice and young male "so-called" Hip-Hop artist. I viewed the profile, and to my dismay, his entire profile was plastered with distasteful, pornographic imaging; images of gang violence were also present. And his music--which I sampled--contained lyrics about gang violence, drugs, sex, and money. If someone wishes to live their lives--and present themselves--in this fashion, more power to them; but what really grabbed my attention, was the fact that he claimed to be Christian. I wrote him a message stating, "Your not Christian," to provoke a response. The same evening, I got a reply. And this "so-called" Hip-Hop artist stated, "Only God can judge me. I've been baptized yo." Realizing that he didn't have the foggiest idea of what being Christian entails--or even stands for--I responded exposing his error in thought; I wanted to help. I sent a brief message about "repentance" and being "born-again" in the Holy Spirit. Surely, this young man showed zero signs of either; but I never heard from him again. This is an extreme example, but people do claim to be Christian (when in fact, they are not). Christianity is not a social club; but many people treat it that way. Yes, polls do indicate that 30 percent of the world population is Christian. But I would argue that the percentage is less; by how much, only God Himself knows. The state of the Christian Church is poor. The majority of "so-called" Christian Churches are "apostate," meaning, they do not teach the Gospel as it was intended to. Instead, alternate--more appealing--versions of the Gospel are preached, and this produces "false converts." In the world today, especially in the United States, you've got "so-called" Christians aborting babies to ensure they can continue their life of partying (or whatever). Christian cults are at an all time high; it's just plan nuts. But the Bible states--I believe in the book of Daniel and Revelation?--that the Christian Church will suffer these conditions. In fact, it's a sign of the End Times!

Originally posted by ushomefree
I agree 100 percent; I have an account with MySpace, and I often reference independent labels and local bands to experiment with other forms of music. While sifting through profiles, I happen to notice and young male "so-called" Hip-Hop artist. I viewed the profile, and to my dismay, his entire profile was plastered with distasteful, pornographic imaging; images of gang violence were also present. And his music--which I sampled--contained lyrics about gang violence, drugs, sex, and money. If someone wishes to live their lives--and present themselves--in this fashion, more power to them; but what really grabbed my attention, was the fact that he claimed to be Christian. I wrote him a message stating, "Your not Christian," to provoke a response. The same evening, I got a reply. And this "so-called" Hip-Hop artist stated, "Only God can judge me. I've been baptized yo." Realizing that he didn't have the foggiest idea of what being Christian entails--or even stands for--I responded exposing his error in thought; I wanted to help. I sent a brief message about "repentance" and being "born-again" in the Holy Spirit. Surely, this young man showed zero signs of either; but I never heard from him again. This is an extreme example, but people do claim to be Christian (when in fact, they are not). Christianity is not a social club; but many people treat it that way. Yes, polls do indicate that 30 percent of the world population is Christian. But I would argue that the percentage is less; by how much, only God Himself knows. The state of the Christian Church is poor. The majority of "so-called" Christian Churches are "apostate," meaning, they do not teach the Gospel as it was intended to. Instead, alternate--more appealing--versions of the Gospel are preached, and this produces "false converts." In the world today, especially in the United States, you've got "so-called" Christians aborting babies to ensure they can continue their life of partying (or whatever). Christian cults are at an all time high; it's just plan nuts. But the Bible states--I believe in the book of Daniel and Revelation?--that the Christian Church will suffer these conditions. In fact, it's a sign of the End Times!

ok seriously, get the **** off your high horse you are not better than everyone.

now in the christian religion, all you have to do is repent your sins to god and accept jesus as your lord and savior right? so you murder 5000 people and repent and your good. dont preach on what it is to be a christian its that friggin simple

I tend to stop attacking the religion, because my mom is Christian, and as hypocritical as it sounds, every time I critisize Christianity, I feel like I am attacking my mother. I hate that feeling.

I am not Christian, but that doesn't mean I don't beleive in the spiritual. I have my own ideas about what God is or isn't, and I respect her ideas, even though I don't fully agree.

I see it like this: When she eventually finds out that I am Gay, she won't like it. She will be against it, etc. But eventually, the more she attacks homosexuality and gay people, the more she will feel that she is actually attacking me.

Her identity as a Mother will override her identity as a Christian, and she will feel bad for having those kind of critical thoughts. She will eventually come around and accept it.

As of now, I accept her being Christian. Not only do I accept it, I encourage it. I love her 🙂