Current State of the Christian Faith

Originally posted by SpearofDestiny
Let me ask you:

Do you literally beleive in Adam and Eve ?

Do you beleive that Moses actually parted the sea ?

Do you believe prostitutes should be stoned to death ?

Do you beleive the Earth is relatively 6000 years old ?

Do you truly beleive in Hell ?

Do you truly beleive in angels and demons ?

If you answered "no" to any of the above questions, is it safe for me to conclude that you are not truly Christian ?

I believe in the Trinity, which is what makes a Christian a Christian. I know Muslims who don't follow the dietary laws, pray 5 times a day or literally believe in the Buraq, but they believe in the Tahwid, so therefore they are Muslims.

Also, way to ignore the rest of my post.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Also, Quiero, not all sects of Christianity believe in the Trinity. Most. But not all. Get your head out of the sand. There's a tangent belief for ANY major religious doctrine.

Then they're not Christians, its simple as that. That's like saying "Some Muslims worship two gods"...well, guess what? They're not Muslims. They may believe everything that Mohammed preached, but if they believe in more than one god, they're not Muslim.

^trinity doesnt exist in the bible. the passages where it was even vaguely hinted were taken out by biblical scholars as fabrications but put back in due to pressre from certain church denominations who threatened action.

and its more like paulanity. trinity doesnt really make a christian a christian{or follower of paul from a perspective}. i think beleiving that jesus was a saviour does.

doesnt really matter.

I think so too. I believe the trinity is a concept added lateron to explain some logical problems in the Bible. I am sure there are many Christian sects that don't believe in it. And I think it is arrogant to say they are not Christians. Trinity was not fundamental to the Bible.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Then they're not Christians, its simple as that.

Does that include the Christians that existed before third century A.D.?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think so too. I believe the trinity is a concept added lateron to explain some logical problems in the Bible. I am sure there are many Christian sects that don't believe in it. And I think it is arrogant to say they are not Christians. Trinity was not fundamental to the Bible.

My point exactly. But Mota's definition of Christianity is apparently fairly synonymous with his Christianity.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This begs the question, "Who Is a Christian?"

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Have you read the Old Testament?

Yes, did you? Jesus did away with the "wrathful God".

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If you believe it the, yes, I would say you would in fact be a Christian. Just saying it is meaningless, of course.

We're circling, because I can really believe I am a Christian, yet still do horrible unChristian actions, as mentioned above.

Just believing, is as useless as just saying it. To me, actions speak louder than words. Which was/is my original point.

Reading up on and knowing the teachings of Jesus is a world apart from actually following the teachings.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, did you? Jesus did away with the "wrathful God".

Besides. To me being a Christian always meant that you have to accept Jesus Christ as your saviour and son of God.

Originally posted by Quark_666
Does that include the Christians that existed before third century A.D.?

Burn them at the stake. 😱

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Burn them at the stake. 😱

Oh no. Now some Christians are actually going to try. 😂

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not quite. That's what modern Christians like to say and think though.

Besides. To me being a Christian always meant that you have to accept Jesus Christ as your saviour and son of God.

Very quite, actually.

I agree, but just saying you "accept" and living a life like you've accepted Jesus, are two different paths.

Originally posted by Robtard
Very quite, actually.

I agree, but just saying you "accept" and living a life like you've accepted Jesus, are two different paths.

Be good and all will follow. this is truth to people.

There is a high level of people who regard themselves as religious, but the actual percentage of practising theists is far lower.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, did you? Jesus did away with the "wrathful God".

I like the image of Jesus "doing away" with God. Like he just sort of whipped the petulant little child that was God until he figured out how to be more forgiving. It amuses me. So God's been all-knowing and all-powerful since forever, but apparently it took him until about 2000 years ago to get his ducks in a row with this whole morality thing. Nice.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I like the image of Jesus "doing away" with God. Like he just sort of whipped the petulant little child that was God until he figured out how to be more forgiving. It amuses me. So God's been all-knowing and all-powerful since forever, but apparently it took him until about 2000 years ago to get his ducks in a row with this whole morality thing. Nice.

Seems more like a retcon to me. Hal Jordan didn't suddenly get over that whole "I'm horribly evil" thing, we just found out another side to the story.

The way to solve this would be to accept YHWH, Allah and Deus and treat them as trinity.

You know, like Jewish God is God all about administration - laws, justice, that sort of thing.
Christian God to be all about the hippy love, and everyone loves everyone and no stone throwing..etc.
And then Allah who completes the trinity as God that God's wrath - when you break the law of the Jewish god, or don't love the love of the Christian one, Allah will go ape shit on your ass.

I think thats a fair compromise.

^^ Hippy god.........hahahahha

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, did you? Jesus did away with the "wrathful God".