Originally posted by quanchi112
So even though Michael is supposed to be the power while Lucy is the will it really doesnt matter. In the end Lucy is as powerful as him anyways according to you.
Michael contains the demiurgic power which once released was shaped by Lucifer's will into a creation. That's why one is the 'will' while the other one is the 'power'. 'Power' and 'Will' mostly defines their roles, not necessarilly who is the most powerfull between the two of them.
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrYes lucy used his power to recreate a universe or whatever. Without his power lucy could not have achieved this.
Michael contains the demiurgic power which once released was shaped by Lucifer's will into a creation. That's why one is the 'will' while the other one is the 'power'. 'Power' and 'Will' mostly defines their roles, not necessarilly who is the most powerfull between the two of them.
Originally posted by Thorion
Nice respect thread. Interesting scans too. Lucys' got some pretty high end feats himself, though. All in all, they seem pretty evenly matched. I guess it comes down to preference, eh? I personally think it could go either way.
How so? What feats put a full power Lucifer on par with a full power Michael?
I have scans of Lucifer's will power failing when Lucifer was at full power. Not only that, Lucifer has been depicted on panel to be powerless in certain realms, and he was cast down to hell when he was at full power.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Thanks.How so? What feats put a full power Lucifer on par with a full power Michael?
I have scans of Lucifer's will power failing when Lucifer was at full power. Not only that, Lucifer has been depicted on panel to be powerless in certain realms, and he was cast down to hell when he was at full power.
Taking a multiverse-destroying/creating blast with ease. Mind posting them?
Originally posted by Thorion
Taking a multiverse-destroying/creating blast with ease. Mind posting them?
Actually, it was just a creation blast since it was outside of creation (the void) and the hype of him taking the creation blast with ease is getting old because that was what God created Lucifer for, to shape the light. If God made Lucifer incapable of withstanding Michael's power, creation would have never been formed in the first place.
Here are the scans:
Originally posted by Air LegendLucifer takes Michael outside creation for a controlled detonation and using Michael’s power, creates his own [B]universe.
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Now just because Lucifer was created to withstand the creation blast, doesn't mean he can't be affected by Michael's power. When Michael forcefully uses his power to cause damage, Lucifer can and will be hurt by it.
This is a depowered, broken wing Michael hurting a functioning-wings, depowered Lucifer:
If Michael can hurt Lucifer while being noticeably weaker (broken wings), he can definitely invoke catastrophic damage to Lucifer when at full power.
So again what feats does Lucifer have that put him on par with Michael? I'm pretty sure I can show you more low-end moments of Lucifer than feats that put him on par with Michael. 😉
Actually, Vertigo is not in the DC mainstream continuity.
Even so YHWH, Vertigo's version of the Presence, is not supreme and it's from YHWH's power Michael gained his own.
I'd say Jim Jaspers would stop him, after all Michael's body contains the power of one Multiverse (as one Multiverse is destroyed and recreated as he dies) while Jaspers manipulate the Omniverse with ease.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Actually, it was just a creation blast since it was outside of creation (the void) and the hype of him taking the creation blast with ease is getting old because that was what God created Lucifer for, to shape the light. If God made Lucifer incapable of withstanding Michael's power, creation would have never been formed in the first place.
Here are the scans:Now just because Lucifer was created to withstand the creation blast, doesn't mean he can't be affected by Michael's power. When Michael forcefully uses his power to cause damage, Lucifer can and will be hurt by it.
This is a depowered, broken wing Michael hurting a functioning-wings, depowered Lucifer:If Michael can hurt Lucifer while being noticeably weaker (broken wings), he can definitely invoke catastrophic damage to Lucifer when at full power.
So again what feats does Lucifer have that put him on par with Michael? I'm pretty sure I can show you more low-end moments of Lucifer than feats that put him on par with Michael. 😉
Thanks for clearing that up, but that was all I had 😕 😆
I've got another question, too. What was Gabriel's role in creation? I'm pretty sure that I once heard something about Michael creating Lucifer shaping then Gabriel cooling down what was shaped..
Originally posted by Astner
Actually, Vertigo is not in the DC mainstream continuity.
Even so YHWH, Vertigo's version of the Presence, is not supreme and it's from YHWH's power Michael gained his own.
I'd say Jim Jaspers would stop him, after all Michael's body contains the power of one Multiverse (as one Multiverse is destroyed and recreated as he dies) while Jaspers manipulate the Omniverse with ease.
Michael's body contains not the power of one Multiverse it contains Gods Power!! With Gods power anything can be created as Lucifer shaped it into a Universe then seems to have shaped the Universe into a Multiverse, making his Creation just like his Fathers. It has been stated many times if Michael dies everything will die unless its a part of God.
Originally posted by kevdude
Michael's body contains not the power of one Multiverse it contains Gods Power!!
making his Creation just like his Fathers. It has been stated many times if Michael dies everything will die unless its a part of God .
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Air Legend, you should add Destiny of the endless in there as well. Because it's debatable if he's more powerful than Michael.
Originally posted by Astner
When he died he released powers that Lucifer shaped into a universe/multiverse. If it was the power of a omnipotent being it would have whiped away the entire omniverse so that nothing was left.
Unless you consider that feat to be impossible for a omnipotent being.If not everything is a part of God, then he's not omnipresent, hence not omnipotent.
That is why Michael had to be taken to The Void. If he was left in creation and Lucifer killed him there the power would have overwhelmed everything. 😉
Using the Lucifer vs Michael fight to prove a point isn't really reccomanded. Lucifer was already weakened by God leaving the throne, hurt by the journey to the tree, aswell as the fact that he was affected by Fenris. Both of them were weakened so this fight is irrelevant.
We have Lucifer being stated as the second most powerfull being after God by the writer of the series.
We have Sandman saying the same thing.
We also have direct comparison in regards to Lucifer and Michael's power when Lucifer effortsley resists the power that was expelled from Michael's death.
I've got another question, too. What was Gabriel's role in creation? I'm pretty sure that I once heard something about Michael creating Lucifer shaping then Gabriel cooling down what was shaped..
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/LuciferMichaelGabriel.jpg
It is debatable if Michael is as strong as Lucifer, but what we do know is that he isn't stronger.
Destiny stronger than Lucifer or Michael ? Not even close.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Using the Lucifer vs Michael fight to prove a point isn't really reccomanded. Lucifer was already weakened by God leaving the throne, hurt by the journey to the tree, aswell as the fact that he was affected by Fenris. Both of them were weakened so this fight is irrelevant.
Learn how to spell and I already proved my point, but I'm not going to waste my time explaining it all over with you again, since you are a troll/basher.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
We have Lucifer being stated as the second most powerfull being after God by the writer of the series.
Even the writer acknowledges Michael as the most powerful being in creation, seeing how God was depicted to be over creation (he holds the universe in his hands, and gave up his omniscience for randomness to happen and left creation). Not only that, a plethora of on panel evidence supports Michael being the most powerful being in creation, along with the Presence acknowledging Michael is power epitomized and Michael has the birthright as his successor.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
We have Sandman saying the same thing.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
We also have direct comparison in regards to Lucifer and Michael's power when Lucifer effortsley resists the power that was expelled from Michael's death.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/LuciferMichaelGabriel.jpgIt is debatable if Michael is as strong as Lucifer, but what we do know is that he isn't stronger.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Destiny stronger than Lucifer or Michael ? Not even close.
ADVICE: Besides your terrible spelling habits, learn how to quote someone correctly...if you are intelligent enough to learn how.
Thorion, sorry I can't give you the scans since I left the volume at home.
Astner, I will respond to you as soon as I find the time, I just had to clear up this shit.
