Michael Runs the Guantlet!!!

Learn how to spell and I already proved my point, but I'm not going to waste my time explaining it all over with you again, since you are a troll/basher.

Reported, but only after finishing showings your other 'counters' wrong. 🙂

Even the writer acknowledges Michael as the most powerful being in creation, seeing how God was depicted to be over creation (he holds the universe in his hands, and gave up his omniscience for randomness to happen and left creation). Not only that, a plethora of on panel evidence supports Michael being the most powerful being in creation, along with the Presence acknowledging Michael is power epitomized and Michael has the birthright as his successor.

God was depicted as holding creation in his hands only after he left it.

When the statement was made about Lucifer being the second most powerfull being in creation, God hadn't left creation yet.

Are you sure you've read the book ?

😂

I already explained why Michael is called the 'power' while Lucifer is called the 'will' to Quanchi. 'Power' and 'Will' define their roles.

That was before the writers even thought about making the Lucifer series, so this is irrelevant. Plus Dream said "perhaps," clearly showing his uncertainty.

So because this came before the Lucifer series, it means that we must ignore it ? Good logic.

God created Lucifer to shape the light; of course Lucifer is going to be able to withstand it. But as on panel evidence shows, when Michael forcefully uses his power, he will invoke damage upon Lucifer.

Since Lucifer was made to withstand it, then you just proved my point.

And the instance when Michael affected Lucifer with his power, when they fought, was when Lucifer was already weakened by God leaving his trone, by the trip aswell as being affected by Fenris. Michael was also injured. So this instance doesn't really have any relevance to how a fight between the both of them would go when they are fresh.

Is this DC? Because in the Lucifer series, Gabriel was important in the creation of the Silver City. I left that volume at home because I'm back in school again, so I can't give the scans.

It's from the Lucifer series.

Lulz.

I ask again, are you sure you've read the series ?

Destiny is like God's omniscience...but I agree, Lucifer and Michael are more powerful

Good thing you didn't disagree, otherwise I'd have to show you wrong on this point too.

ADVICE: Besides your terrible spelling habits, learn how to quote someone correctly...if you are intelligent enough to learn how.

Me taking advices from you ? Heh .. that's quite funny.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Reported, but only after finishing showings your other 'counters' wrong. 🙂

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
God was depicted as holding creation in his hands only [b]after he left it. [/B]

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
When the statement was made about Lucifer being the second most powerfull being in creation, God hadn't left creation yet.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Are you sure you've read the book ?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
😂

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
I already explained why Michael is called the 'power' while Lucifer is called the 'will' to Quanchi. 'Power' and 'Will' define their roles.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
So because this came before the Lucifer series, it means that we must ignore it ? Good logic.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Since Lucifer was made to withstand it, then you just prove my point.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And the instance when Michael affected Lucifer with his power, when they fought, was when Lucifer was already weakened by God leaving his trone, by the trip aswell as being affected by Fenris. Michael was also injured. So this instance doesn't really have any relevance to how a fight between the both of them would go when they are fresh.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
It's from the Lucifer series.
Lulz.
I ask again, are you sure you've read the series ?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Good thing you didn't disagree, otherwise I'd have to show you wrong on this point too.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Me taking advices from you ? Heh .. that's quite funny.

Destiny used Michael and Lucifer to save the creations, since there are laws he has to abide by, also told Lucifer his Multiverse/Creation was a prison compared to his Fathers, really pissed him off! Respect Destiny 😛

Originally posted by kevdude
Destiny used Michael and Lucifer to save the creations, since there are laws he has to abide by, also told Lucifer his Multiverse/Creation was a prison compared to his Fathers, really pissed him off! Respect Destiny 😛

Want me to pull up some of your posts?

No need, since we aren't talking about them. We are talking about you calling me a basher and a troll.

Actually, that was when he returned to creation and was asking whether creation should be saved or destroyed.

He returned to creation ? No, he didn't.

And nice try in avoiding you getting shown wrong.

😂

Point is that you said that God is over creation because he held Creation in his hands. But this only happened after he left it, and the statement regarding Lucifer being the second being in creation was made before he left it, when God was still in creation.

😉

You're basing your entire argument on a clip, which is hilarious in itself, but I have already proved how God is above creation. And on panel facts and showings are greater than your clip which you didn't even present in its entirety. Not that the clip disputes the fact of Michael being the most powerful being in creation.

Basing an argument on the actual writer is hilarous ? lulz.

You proved that God is above creation ? No you didn't.

On panel-showings ? What on-panel showings depicting Michael as being stronger than Lucifer do you have ?

Trying to bash aren't you?

With telling you that you haven't read the series in it's entirely, which you didn't, like I just proved ?

😂

Yes and that notion was dismissed. God chose Michael as his second.
God: Michael Demiurgos spark that spans forever, ocean of power with no shore. Lucifer's will power has been out-powered on panel, Lucifer is powerless in certain realms, was killed, and was cast down to hell, despite your claims of him being the most powerful being besides God.

Nice job leaving the context out.

Lucifer's will has been outpowered on panel ? Example ?

Killed ? Certainly not by being outpowered. It was his own power that killed him.

Powerless in certain realms ? Is this relevant in any way in trying to prove that Michael > Lucifer in power ? No.

Cast down to hell ? He was offered hell by God, not beaten and thrown there.

Again, which one of those disputes the fact that he isn't the most powerfull after God ?

This grasping at straws of yours is becoming repeative.

I'll highlight the important parts, since you lack the reading comprehension skills to understand my statement the first time:
That was before the writers even thought about making the Lucifer series (the spin-off series wasn't even imagined at the time), so this is irrelevant. Plus Dream said "perhaps," clearly showing his uncertainty.

This is gold.

So because the Lucifer series wasn't in progress yet, it means that every statement that happens before it is nullified ?

At least it's funny debating with you 😂

Not at all. no expression
Michael wasn't forcefully using his energy to kill Lucifer. Though it's clever how you ignored that part of the argument.

You missed the part where both of them were weakened thus it's irrelevant ?

Or the part where Lucifer resisted Michael's power literally exploding into a new big bang without much effort.

First of all that is a bad showing on Lucifer's part as he was mind-raped.
Secondly, a weaker Michael hurt a stronger Lucifer and Michael reluctantly did it at that.
Also, Lucifer at full power was out-powered by the veiletty. Michael, who contains God's power, most certainly would out-power Lucifer.
Lastly, what happened in the war in heaven when Lucifer was at full power?

Mind-rape ? Depends on your definition of it. It was actually the fact that he drank the blood, allowing Fenris to control him.

A weaker Michael hurt a stronger Lucifer ? Can you prove that Michael was weaker than Lucifer ? No, you can't. And like I said, this fight is irrelevant since neither of them were at their best.

Lucifer wasn't overpowered by anyone when he was at full power through the series.

What happened in heaven when Lucifer was at full power ? God came down and told him he will let him rule hell.

You should have known this if you read the series 🙂 .

Really? What issue and page number? If you're wrong about this, you know this will just prove that you are a liar.

Lucifer #75.

hysterical

I should probably stop this discussion now.

You haven't proved me wrong yet.

Denial.

Says the man who is a terrible speller and can't quote properly.

This is coming from the guy who doesn't have a clue about the series he's read, and also disputes the fact that some scans aren't from the series ?

Originally posted by Air Legend
Lucifer created a universe from Michael's power as shown throughout the entire series. In the one-shot Nirvana which is separate from the Lucifer series and holds no weight on the official series, Lucifer claims to have made a multiverse. Destiny looks badass, I'll give him that 😛

Superman > Imperiex than if we go by what the writers says outside the comic....

Originally posted by 123KID
Superman > Imperiex than if we go by what the writers says outside the comic....

yes
sorry for not making it clear

Seeing as how only Neil Gaiman and Mike Carey have actually written the 'true' Lucifer Morningstar, with Neil Gaiman's Sandman telling the he is perhaps the most powerfull being after his father and Mike Carey flat out stating that Lucifer is the 2nd most powerfull being in creation with Yahweh not leaving creation yet, I'd say the writer's opinion does count in this case.

And you're lucky Juntai quoted you, otherwise I woudn't have seen your post, being on ignore and all.

clears this.

I'm curious, since both Michael and Lucifer are above death, how can Mikey "die"? What happened to him when Elaine took in his power? Is he in Death's realm or in Heaven with Yahweh? Or did Michael just "retired'?

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
I'm curious, since both Michael and Lucifer are above death, how can Mikey "die"? What happened to him when Elaine took in his power? Is he in Death's realm or in Heaven with Yahweh? Or did Michael just "retired'?

However, when Yahweh is present at the Primium Mobile, Michael just regenerates if his creation powers are released.

Michael died when Elaine took in his power. This happened after the Presence had left the Primium Mobile of course.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
I'm curious, since both Michael and Lucifer are above death, how can Mikey "die"? What happened to him when Elaine took in his power? Is he in Death's realm or in Heaven with Yahweh? Or did Michael just "retired'?

SIGH,wrong again air. both micheal and lucifer are above death and this was proven by the scans i gave of lucifer, both can actually KILL death if they wished.

the thing is, micheal has TECHNICALLY died once before, when he willingly let lucifer KILL him, which created lucifer's multiverse. however, as we see, micheal comes out not only ALIVE but having rebirthed his body and ridding it of any damage that was there before.

now how micheal actually DIES, has to be understood in context. lucifer puts him in a condition which calls for his DEATH like before, which would again recreate him perfect as a baby, however, there is a problem, and that is that if micheal dies INSIDE creation, all of creationg will be destroyed as a result of his demiurgic power even though he will leave without a scratch. and THAT is why he gives UP his demiurgic power to elain and WITHOUT it, creation is saved, and without it, micheal - the being without the demiurgic power, dies. it was ONLY because he willingly let go of his power for the greater good that he died, he is beyond death otherwise.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
SIGH,wrong again air. both micheal and lucifer are above death and this was proven by the scans i gave of lucifer, both can actually KILL death if they wished.

Gave a scan? No you didn't and you never will because neither Lucifer or Michael were depicted above death. They both have died and no twisting of on panel information will change that. More powerful than Death? Sure. But above the concept of Death? Not a chance in hell (no pun intended).

the thing is, micheal has TECHNICALLY died once before, when he willingly let lucifer KILL him, which created lucifer's multiverse. however, as we see, micheal comes out not only ALIVE but having rebirthed his body and ridding it of any damage that was there before.

now how micheal actually DIES, has to be understood in context. lucifer puts him in a condition which calls for his DEATH like before, which would again recreate him perfect as a baby, however, there is a problem, and that is that if micheal dies INSIDE creation, all of creationg will be destroyed as a result of his demiurgic power even though he will leave without a scratch. and THAT is why he gives UP his demiurgic power to elain and WITHOUT it, creation is saved, and without it, micheal - the being without the demiurgic power, dies. it was ONLY because he willingly let go of his power for the greater good that he died, he is beyond death otherwise.

Their powers were declining ever since Yahweh left the Primium Mobile. If Michael releases his powers surely Lucifer could have just shaped the power into more forms of creation or simply redirect the blast, no?

Or perhaps Michael died the second time without regenerating because Yahweh had left the Primium Mobile which caused the decline in power of both Lucifer and Michael (stated on panel), which ultimately proved to be the factor of Michael's inability to regenerate.

You know, I might just take the time to clear up your misleading comments. I only have to do it once and people realize the truth. So here we go...AGAIN.

Gave a scan? No you didn't and you never will because neither Lucifer or Michael were depicted above death. They both have died and no twisting of on panel information will change that. More powerful than Death? Sure. But above the concept of Death? Not a chance in hell (no pun intended).

sigh, lying again, or is it simply that you have forgotten so quickly. you were owned on that EXACT point in the last thread before it was closed and here you are OWNED AGAIN!{i.e. i gave scans before and im giving them again and they state that lucifer is above death as well as having the ability to kill death}, please for the sake of your own dignitiy shut up after this.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/Lucifer_26_p07.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/Lucifer_26_p12.jpg

Michael died and Lucifer shaped the power into a UNIVERSE as said on panel.

wrong it was categorically stated on panel that it was a multiverse. scans have been posted. and micheal never DIED as seen on panel, his body is simply reborn simultaneously without his previous wounds and he flies off, on panel. now stop this idiocy.

Their powers were declining ever since Yahweh left the Primium Mobile. If Michael releases his powers surely Lucifer could have just shaped the power into more forms of creation or simply redirect the blast, no?

Or perhaps Michael died the second time without regenerating because Yahweh had left the Primium Mobile which caused the decline in power of both Lucifer and Michael (stated on panel), which ultimately proved to be the factor of Michael's inability to regenerate.

no, the only reason creation survived the FIRST time was because lucifer took both of them in the VOID. or havent you READ lucifer?!?!?! that was the SOLE reason the entire host of heaven were afraid of lucifer and amendial ADMITTED DEFEAT AND LEFT. because if lucifer had "killed"{figuratively} micheal inside creation, creation would have been destroyed. micheal ON PANEL, before his death says that his death was creating problems of his own and if he died inside creation all of creation would be destroyed. yahweh leaving primum mobile has no corellation with this, seen when micheal was in the second hjighest tower where the word of god resides and was REJUVINATING every atom in the first creation after yahweh left. to SAVE creation micheal gave up his demiurgic power to elaine BEFORE his death and as a result, died as he was apowerless mortal without it. that is all, otherwise both brothers are above death and i have provided scans in the above links which prove it.

dude micheal is already stronger than all of these guys and he has the infinity gems the inly one to stop him is TTOA

Add LT in the list. If LT can't beat him, then Stan Lee can!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
sigh, lying again, or is it simply that you have forgotten so quickly. you were owned on that EXACT point in the last thread before it was closed and here you are OWNED AGAIN!{i.e. i gave scans before and im giving them again and they state that lucifer is above death as well as having the ability to kill death}, please for the sake of your own dignitiy shut up after this.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/Lucifer_26_p07.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/leonheartmm/Lucifer_26_p12.jpg

You call that proof? Seriously, I don't even know why I'm putting up with this shit. Just because Lucifer throws a fit in Death's realm doesn't put him above Death. Like I said before, when you do provide scans they completely contradict what you claim.

What exactly do the scans show?

First scan: Lucifer is pissed that he has died and knows that Death has a claim on him, so he says like an indignant child "You have no claim on me".

Second scan:

Death: "Here you are stuck at the bus stop until next miracle rolls up"

Lucifer: *Angrily* "I intend to survive this. Anything you say ought to take that into account"

For some people in series, Lucifer's mere presence scares them. In this scenario, after Lucifer responds does Death look frightened, terrified, horrified in the slightest? No. Just gives him an indifferent response because both she and Lucifer know that as of that moment she has claim over him.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
wrong it was categorically stated on panel that it was a multiverse. scans have been posted. and micheal never DIED as seen on panel, his body is simply reborn simultaneously without his previous wounds and he flies off, on panel. now stop this idiocy.

Another reason why people won't take you seriously because you have a fetish with trying to prove people wrong. Michael never died huh? Oh well what's this:

Originally posted by leonheartmm
micheal has TECHNICALLY died once before, when he willingly let lucifer KILL him

And in the main series, on panel it showed and said UNIVERSE. Only one comment was made by Lucifer in a standalone story. That was rejected as we see God, the narrator, and Lucifer himself call it a universe later on in the main series. Now matter how you want to twist it, God's and narrators words in the main series are greater than one comment in a standalone story.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no, the only reason creation survived the FIRST time was because lucifer took both of them in the VOID. or havent you READ lucifer?!?!?! that was the SOLE reason the entire host of heaven were afraid of lucifer and amendial ADMITTED DEFEAT AND LEFT. because if lucifer had "killed"{figuratively} micheal inside creation, creation would have been destroyed. micheal ON PANEL, before his death says that his death was creating problems of his own and if he died inside creation all of creation would be destroyed.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yahweh leaving primum mobile has no corellation with this, seen when micheal was in the second hjighest tower where the word of god resides and was REJUVINATING every atom in the first creation after yahweh left. to SAVE creation micheal gave up his demiurgic power to elaine BEFORE his death and as a result, died as he was apowerless mortal without it. that is all, otherwise both brothers are above death and i have provided scans in the above links which prove it.

I'm going to destroy this Lucifer created a multiverse thing once and for all.