Originally posted by Gecko4lifIn a fight if the opponent is defenseless than that constitutes as a win. Did you expect him to finish the job and kill him after?
For the first one he didnt beat him. 1 scan does not prove that.For the second one he changed him back to banner... does that even count? If it does then sentry beat hulk.
Silver Surfer is remorseless now and basically serves the will and purpose of Galactus wholly. I was never surprised by any of his feats in 'Annihilation' as I thought them possible pre-Annihilation. Same thing with Thor. Although he never actually created Asgard out of thin air and held it afloat above ground, I never believed Thor below such a feat. But I will concede that it's nice to see such clear illustrations of their powers in current series.
But because I don't think their peak power levels in the past differ very much from the present, I find their past battles to be very informative in my opinion. And if my memory serves me well, their fights have see-sawed back and forth. Although, when Thor has gone Warrior Madness, as he is apt to do against powerhouses, he has literally humiliated Silver Surfer. But putting that aside, because the Surfer has almost never appeared blood-lusted to the same capacity, I'll say:
Split 5/10.
I think Surfer wins this by a clear and comfortable margin. yes he seems to have been a bit feeble in past encounters with Thor but there isn't a single aspect of their powersets where Thor eclipses him, imo.
strength: Surfer can amp to far greater than WM Thor
speed: Surfer is in a whole other league, the best Thor can do is 2-3x C
stamina: Surfer has zero fatigue and an unending power source compared to Mjolnir's on-panel limits
strategy: Surfer's apparently an astronomer... bit thick though 🙁 Thor's cool but ... bit foolish, call it evens.
now moving on from the Ses...
versatility: Thor can do almost anything Surfer can do with Mjolnir, except enter hyperspace, the macroverse and the precise dna/molecular manipulations that Surfer can do planet-wide (and instantaneously). Surfer can manufacture a +synthetic+ version of the Odinforce and make it to just as good levels, as he did for BRB. so I'm giving this to Surfer too.
now onto specifically offensive aspects...
range: Surfer without question.
accuracy: Surfer without question.
concentrated blast power: Surfer imo, GodBlast has definite limits which could likely be eclipsed by PC.
aggression: Thor without question 😐.
mental/mystical attacks: evens. Thor has magic, Surfer has TP. neither are all that proficient with either power but both do possess them.
defensive aspects...
intangibility: Surfer.
energy manipulation/deflection: evens/poss. Surfer (UniLord's dark energies feat is major, as is shunting the Big Crunch)
evasive maneuvers: Surfer without question (10000x faster and better reaction speed)
durability: Surfer imo, though Thor's not been slapped around by Thanos quite so humiliatingly 😐.
mental/mystical defence: Thor (though Surfer has high resistance too)
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anyway, Surfer 8+/10 imo.
Surfer has Thor in range, durability and stamina? lmfao
When has Surfer ever amplified his powers up to levels above Warrior Madness? And why didn't he do it when Thor was actually in warrior madness?
I'll deal with that ridiculous post of yours when I get home. You can try to get up a scan or two to back up those laughable claims of yours.
you know, it's often quoted here on the forums that in vs. battles, characters fight to the best of their abilities....
That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
If we apply those board rules to this fight, what is to keep surfer from
opening a singularity in Thor's brain?
Creating a black hole where Thor's heart is?
Transmuting Thor's eyes so they receive only the light spectrum emitted by stars, leaving thor intermittently blind with light and blind with darkness, thereby giving surfer the edge in surprise and pre-emptive strike?
Track Thor's movements from across the galaxy, then speed-blitz to wrest mjolnir from his hand, a la Infinity Gauntlet?
Originally posted by Tenebrous
you know, it's often quoted here on the forums that in vs. battles, characters fight to the best of their abilities....If we apply those board rules to this fight, what is to keep surfer from
opening a singularity in Thor's brain?
Creating a black hole where Thor's heart is?
Transmuting Thor's eyes so they receive only the light spectrum emitted by stars, leaving thor intermittently blind with light and blind with darkness, thereby giving surfer the edge in surprise and pre-emptive strike?
Track Thor's movements from across the galaxy, then speed-blitz to wrest mjolnir from his hand, a la Infinity Gauntlet?
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
O idk the fact that first off surfer hasnt shown himself capable of doing most of that and the fact that thor has an equaly deadly powerset and raw power advantage and the fact that surfer has flat out admitted thor is more powerful.
He said, himself, that he was capable of opening singularities inside another being. He has created blackholes. He has transmuted organic matter. He has tracked space-dust from lightyears away.
So, which 'most' of that should he be incapable of? Theoretically speaking, of course. 🙂.
how can anyone doubt Surfer's durability after Annihilation?
he got pounded for prolonged periods by two Galactus level (or thereabouts) beings, he was smashed into a planet and then pummeled by Tenebreus, he was blasted at by both Aegis and Tenebreus and he also channeled the Big Crunch, which is a stamina feat if not strictly durability (since he was dying because of the energies of the Big Crunch).
I've not read much of Thor, but what I've seen of him doesn't even come remotely close to those levels of power...
Originally posted by janus77
how can anyone doubt Surfer's durability after Annihilation?
he got pounded for prolonged periods by two Galactus level (or thereabouts) beings, he was smashed into a planet and then pummeled by Tenebreus, he was blasted at by both Aegis and Tenebreus and he also channeled the Big Crunch, which is a stamina feat if not strictly durability (since he was dying because of the energies of the Big Crunch).I've not read much of Thor, but what I've seen of him doesn't even come remotely close to those levels of power...
It was an insane durability feat. Galactus himself commented that even he wouldn't be able to channel the crunch's energies for long.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The Big Crunch thing was the only feat of his from Annihilation that I found really iffy. Then again, everybody has at least 1 rediculous feat under their belt. Like Thor taking the Destroyer Beam to the face. 😛
That has less to do with Thor's durability and more to do with the durability of his new armor - same reason he's suddenly bullet proof.
😛.
Originally posted by janus77
how can anyone doubt Surfer's durability after Annihilation?
he got pounded for prolonged periods by two Galactus level (or thereabouts) beings, he was smashed into a planet and then pummeled by Tenebreus, he was blasted at by both Aegis and Tenebreus and he also channeled the Big Crunch, which is a stamina feat if not strictly durability (since he was dying because of the energies of the Big Crunch).I've not read much of Thor, but what I've seen of him doesn't even come remotely close to those levels of power...
1. There were galactus level. They were barely Weakened galactus level
2. Surfer got hit a total of 4 times
3. All he really did was surf on the energy he didnt actually do anything with it.
he got hit by beings whom Galactus considered near equals. beings who individually gave Galactus - a 'normal' Galactus - a fight. he survived. and they were trying to kill him.
Surfer manipulated/channeled/surfed energies that even Galactus wouldn't be able to similarly manipulate for too long (naturally that's still a hell of a lot longer than Surfer can/could but the point is that it took immense durability/stamina to do it - and it impressed Galactus!).
come on, you can't seriously even argue against Surfer on this one.