Silver Sufer (Annihilation) vs Thor (Current)

Originally posted by janus77
he got hit by beings whom Galactus considered near equals. beings who individually gave Galactus - a 'normal' Galactus - a fight. he survived. and they were trying to kill him.

Surfer manipulated/channeled/surfed energies that even Galactus wouldn't be able to similarly manipulate for too long (naturally that's still a hell of a lot longer than Surfer can/could but the point is that it took immense durability/stamina to do it - and it impressed Galactus!).

come on, you can't seriously even argue against Surfer on this one.

Originally posted by Soljer
That has less to do with Thor's durability and more to do with the durability of his new armor - same reason he's suddenly bullet proof.

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If the Surfer can separate Thor from Mjolnir, like in their first fight, and this time not hover and monologue afterwards, Surfer wins, hands down.

If he can't separate them, Thor would have to be able to handle a powerful, multifacted attack by an opponent who is generally faster than he is (I'm not talking speedblitz, just noticeably faster). Thor will have to fight smart or he'll lose.

I really don't know how powerful each character currently is, but it may all be a matter of battle endurance, and I suspect Thor is the superior here. Whatever Norrin may be, he's not a warrior, not at heart, not even with all inhibitions removed. Thor is. If he can hold out over time, odds are he'll win. If not...

Hmm so SS 6/10 is what im getting.

Honestly...writer's call.

I know, but amonst the fans who do we consider more powerful overall. There has to be a clear winner here.

Split or slight edge to either.

Originally posted by Larceny
Split or slight edge to either.

When I'm not just posting for idle entertainment, I'd probably say the same thing.

When I'm arguing just to argue, or just screwing around, it's closer to 8-9/10 to the Surfer.

So then ill give SS 7/10 based on speedblitz.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So then ill give SS 7/10 based on speedblitz.

Because Thor hasn't deflected lightspeed attacks, psychic attacks, or dealt with the Surfer's speed before.

And the Surfer regularly, or, hell - EVER - speedblitzes opponents in a Superman or Flash-like fashion.

Thats the magic of wonky/bad writing my friends.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Thats the magic of wonky/bad writing my friends.

It's bad writing when a character is not portrayed the way you wish he were?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I know, but amonst the fans who do we consider more powerful overall. There has to be a clear winner here.

H'mm...
Well, in terms of who's "more powerful overall," I am inclined to give the edge to Thor because he's the warrior at heart. Plus he has Mjolnir.

Nonetheless...

In a fight, I'm inclined to lean toward SS because he's less dependent on his board than Thor is on his hammer. I refer again to their first fight where SS (who was not even on his board at that moment) suceeded in Thor-Mjolnir separation, after which SS had Thor down very handidly.

That said...I say split decision, depending on circumstances, and if for no other reason that I think it's more fun this way.

*imagines Thor and Surfer seated across from one another at a heavy oak table, mugs of mead in hand, sizing each other up*

I still say a well written SS would speedblitz Thor, or maybe even simply overpower hm with his cosmic amping.

I honestly don't think Surfer would need to speedblitz Thor, though obviously he is well capable of it.

read Annihilation again, see how Surfer is capable of matching Thanos' level of power output (the key to unlocking the device used to imprison Galactus) and still carry the fight against the Wave.

also, before that incident, Galactus explicitly stated that he gave Surfer a power upgrade, among other changes he offered. Surfer declined the offer to have his conscience stripped but did not decline the power upgrade (though he does not state his assent either, but it is implied that he is upgraded).

I don't think that Annihilation Surfer can even be put down by Thor. especially when you bring Thor into proper perspective. Thor doesn't even register beside creatures like Aegis and Teneberous, hell I doubt Odin would even register. and Surfer took a beating from both of them, survived and then channeled the Big Crunch and eliminated them with it (and in the process nearly killed himself) ... Thor's not in his league, imo.

is there anything to kinda prove that Thor can succeed where more substantive "gods" have failed?

Originally posted by Soljer
Because Thor hasn't deflected lightspeed attacks, psychic attacks, or dealt with the Surfer's speed before.

And the Surfer regularly, or, hell - EVER - speedblitzes opponents in a Superman or Flash-like fashion.

Surfer Seems more durable, faster and all around more adept at using his powers. Thor is a better fighter. Both have had upgrades, so it's a toss up. I'd say surfer may be as much as 50% as powerful as Thanos was. Given that he had to use both hands and all of his might to power the unlocking machine.