Originally posted by galactusischere
I doubt that EJ could defeat all those abstracts that Thanos defeated.What did he really do that was impressive? He had universal level feats.
Does Joker beat Thanos with the IG? Probably, at least IMO. Is it a certainty? No. But are those who say Thanos with IG being "Omnipotent" automatically gives him the win correct? Also no.
Originally posted by galactusischere
Defeating universal abstracts would automaticaly put him above the universal range.
Originally posted by galactusischereIf that is your opinion, then you are welcome to it. But fyi, my: "those '> universal' feats" statement was directed towards the aforementioned feats posted on pages 2-3 of this thread.
Defeating universal abstracts would automaticaly put him above the universal range.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
He destroyed and recreated the DC Universe with a single acme bomb, extended his influence into heaven and hell (or at least created his own versions of both)
and it took all the Spectre's power just to resist EJ's attempts to warp him long enough to pass on a "feeble warning" to Superman.
The Quintessence and Darkseid were so insignificant to Joker that he intended to make Darkseid his lawn ornament. Near the end of the story it was discovered the one thing he could not do was to erase Batman because his existence was defined around Batman and this was after he demonstrated the ability to erase the color white from existence.
BTW who did create that alternative universe in the EJ story? Was it Mxy or Joker?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Your logic needs some work. It would automatically put him within the Universal range, not above it. To be the one step above (Multiversal) you need Multiversal feats which Thanos doesn't have.
Yea, but couldn't each of those abstracts minus perhaps Love and Hate bust a universe? And Thanos defeated every single one of them with ease. Nebula also defeated them with ease.
Originally posted by galactusischere
That's what? 52 universes?Nothing impressive
So he defeated a few sky-father level beings and did some basic reality warping? Nice.
BTW who did create that alternative universe in the EJ story? Was it Mxy or Joker?
How is it nothing impressive? He took control of the Spectre force and turned said Spectre into a giggling little fool held in a canary cage.
I'm talking about the ease at which he did it. These Skyfathers were treated like dolls by EJ.
Basic reality warping? Removing the color white from the fabric of reality is much more impressive than Thanos killing half the Universe.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Even if it was 52 Universes (it wasn't back then, though Darkseid did mention other Universes were imperiled by the Joker) that would still be waaay more than anything Thanos did with the IG. Quit Lowballing.How is it nothing impressive? He took control of the Spectre force and turned said Spectre into a giggling little fool held in a canary cage.
I'm talking about the ease at which he did it. These Skyfathers were treated like dolls by EJ.
Basic reality warping? Removing the color white from the fabric of reality is much more impressive than Thanos killing half the Universe.
The IG is the remains of the Infinity Being who created the Marvel Omniverse billions of marvel years ago.
Yea, Spectre who gets punked by everybody and is especially suspecible to imps...you know it.
Yea, Galactus with one blast made Thanos beg for mercy, and sky-father level being, who is arguably more powerful than Darkseid.
That is an abstract level feat. Eternity could do it since he is the sum of EVERYTHING, and he was defeated just as easily as the other abstracts.
and can you answer my question from my previous post?
Originally posted by Galan007
In all fairness, Thanos /w/ IG didn't preform any of those '> universal' feats.
No argument there my friend. The point is and I was clear to not mention THANOS with the IG... and just mention the IG. Because of the IG vs. UN argument I had with ODG awhile back. Where he claimed the IG was only Universal. Thus my statement I made to him here was in direct reference to the that irony and his beliefs on the IG.. Not Thanos with the IG. Further my friend.. I believe replacing a multiversal entity like Eternity certainly can be viewed as a multiversal feat.. However that is neither here nor there.
Originally posted by galactusischere
The IG is the remains of the Infinity Being who created the Marvel Omniverse billions of marvel years ago.Yea, Spectre who gets punked by everybody and is especially suspecible to imps...you know it.
Yea, Galactus with one blast made Thanos beg for mercy, and sky-father level being, who is arguably more powerful than Darkseid.
That is an abstract level feat. Eternity could do it since he is the sum of EVERYTHING, and he was defeated just as easily as the other abstracts.
and can you answer my question from my previous post?
Thanos never used the IG to completely and utterly change reality at its core the way Joker did when he had Mxy's power. The DCU was completely and utterly turned upside down. A closer comparison (if not in scale necessarily then certainly in degree and significance) would be HOM Wanda rather than IG Thanos.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi616 IG is universal. 616 Eternity is not multiversal. That would lead you to the ridiculous conclusion that Galactus performed a multiversal surgery with Gamora, among other things.
No argument there my friend. The point is and I was clear to not mention THANOS with the IG... and just mention the IG. Because of the IG vs. UN argument I had with ODG awhile back. Where he claimed the IG was only Universal. Thus my statement I made to him here was in direct reference to the that irony and his beliefs on the IG.. Not Thanos with the IG. Further my friend.. I believe replacing a multiversal entity like Eternity certainly can be viewed as a multiversal feat.. However that is neither here nor there.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
616 IG is universal. 616 Eternity is not multiversal. That would lead you to the ridiculous conclusion that Galactus performed a multiversal surgery with Gamora, among other things.
Nope it's not. Magus performed feats beyond only Universal. Have you not seen the scan of 616 Eternity and what its accomplised and how it describes its own power? Did you not see the scans on page 2 and 3 of this very thread showing what 2 and 4 gems can do.. let alone all of them combined?