Comic Book Mythbuster

Started by abhilegend29 pages

FWIW, Batman and Robin and everyone else were protected from the creation blast by Spectre and Ollie and the rest of heroes were taken out of time and space by waverider in zero hour.

Fine, whatever.

I just came here to clear things up. I can't be any clearer about how I think things went down.

Whether it's a feat or non-feat is up to you guys.

was there a Thor - Midgard serpent "mythbusting"?

Originally posted by Warlord
was there a Thor - Midgard serpent "mythbusting"?
Not a well thought out one, no

what were the premises of the not well thought one?

He didn't like it. You can decide for yourself.

Originally posted by Philosophía
What Thor did there, and what people are passing it as, is similar to me saying that Superman [and the new gods] is capable of blowing planets with his heat vision, or holding them in his hand, based on this scan, where he is in the New Gods world, interacting with the normal [main DCU] dimension:

First of all, the Serpent didn't encoil Earth in normal space, he went into the Void [notice its size in Asgard space - nowhere near continent, country or even city wide]:

That's why he is said to be in his etheral form, in the normal dimension [Earth's sphere]:

And that's why Thor needed to go to Asgard to deal with the Serpent, otherwise it would have made damage in the normal [Earth's] Universe:

Once there, Thor travels by boat in the void between Asgard and Earth [where the Serpent is] and uses a simple bull to fish it out:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_15.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_16.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_17.jpg

In the subsequent showdown we, again, painfully see that the Serpent is nowhere near continent/Earth sized, relative to Thor [thus the bull being used as bait, lol]:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_18.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_19.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/Thor_1983_327_20.jpg

It is flat-out stated that space [and time] aren't the same in the Void [as if this wasn't ridiculously obvious anyway - when Thor fishes the goddamn Serpent in a boat using a bull from its supposed Earth-sized proportions]:

In the Void [as in the New Gods world] the normal limits and proportions of time/space don't apply. That's why, eventough the Serpent was small enough for Thor to stand face-to-face with him, and get fished out with a bull, he was capable of encoiling the Earth, and crushing it with his etheral form [as seen in the normal space/time] from the Void.
It's a non-feat.
This feat has been one of the most baffling, well kept lies in the history of KMC.

so the feat happend but it is disscredited beccause it happened in the void between the worlds?

Because the serpent wasn't actually planet sized where he and thor fought.

it was clear that it was wraped around earth though when Thor fished it.
The size comparison between the two when they fought is a matter of artistic limitation to my eyes. Unless Earth was miniaturized as well

Originally posted by Warlord
it was clear that it was wraped around earth though when Thor fished it.
The size comparison between the two when they fought is a matter of artistic limitation to my eyes. Unless Earth was miniaturized as well

Him being in void made it so big. If Thor was viewed from earth, he would've been of the same size as serpent. It was a different dimension where size was magnified compared to earth's dimension.

so the earth was miniaturized in this dimention ?

anyway I don't feel that's what the writer wanted to depict and it didn't make it clear also...

Fished it out with a bull, lol. Totally legit.

magic bull lol
😛

Originally posted by Warlord
so the earth was miniaturized in this dimention ?

anyway I don't feel that's what the writer wanted to depict and it didn't make it clear also...


Earth wasn't miniaturized. Thor and serpent were bigger in earth's dimension just like Orion and Superman were in that scan.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fished it out with a bull, lol. Totally legit.

Yes. That's what seals the deal.

Myth: Martian Manhunter soloed JLA in JLA: Classified 46.

This scan often shows up in martian manhunter threads.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16853065/RacerX-JLAC46-p07.jpg.html

Without knowing what the proper context behind it is. It started as a ceremony back on mars when J'onn and Malefic shared a portion of their souls/memories.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16853020/04.jpg.html

Now these memories were not meant to be strong enough to control the host himself. But Malefic's power grew up like a cancer and he started mindraping J'onn himself and erased the memories of his wife and daughter from his mind.

He started mindraping J'onn and even erased his memories of his wife and daughter by locking it into J'onn's subconscious.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16853025/RacerX-JLAC43-p21.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16853026/RacerX-JLAC43-p22.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16853027/RacerX-JLAC43-p23.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16853040/RacerX-JLAC45-p23.jpg.html

Then he totally mindraped J'onn and trapped him inside his own mind.

J'onn was only able to escape this trap when Malefic weakened himself taking control of JLA.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16853043/RacerX-JLAC46-p08.jpg.html

Then he cut the portion of memories/soul of malefic from his mind which nearly killed him and sent him in a coma. Remember, this grown up power of Malefic controlled JLA, not J'onn himself and thus J'onn can't access this power anymore.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16853044/RacerX-JLAC46-p13.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16853045/RacerX-JLAC46-p14.jpg.html

Its not a usable feat for J'onn.

Myth Busted.

Myth: Silver Surfer got a permanent power down when he was drained by Sonic Shark as shown here in Fantastic Four 72.

http://postimg.org/image/6vkre7ajr/
http://postimg.org/image/vxx5zh4tt/

But according to that scan surfer was almost powerless after Sonic Shark drained him, here surfer may or may not allude to the same scene.

http://i.imgur.com/1U7f4b3.jpg

But how then he later appeared as powerful as ever? It was retconned years later in Webspinners: Tales of Spider-Man 5 that surfer was attacked again by the same sonic shark device again which had drained his powers before and this time he absorbed all its power which would include the stolen power from surfer.

It happened just after SS 18 when surfer fought inhumans BTW.

Here is the confirmation that this is the same Sonic Shark which was used on surfer back in FF 72.

That's the official retcon of the event AFAIK and Surfer was never depowered after SS 18 and the next he appeared.

Myth Busted.

You realize the first scan you posted debunks your entire myth-bust?

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://postimg.org/image/6vkre7ajr/ <---- First Sonic Shark explodes here

The scans above clearly show the first Sonic Shark released by the Pentagon exploded, and hence was destroyed.

This means the Sonic Shark Nick Fury released isn't literally the same missile, since the first missile was destroyed, along with the energy it drained from Surfer.

Here is the confirmation that this is the same Sonic Shark which was used on surfer back in FF 72.

That's the official retcon of the event AFAIK and Surfer was never depowered after SS 18 and the next he appeared.

I'm not sure if English is your first languange, but you're taking word "originally" way too literally.

That scan didn't say it was literally the same missile. We know that's impossible because the first Sonic Shark exploded and was destroyed. The Sonic Shark Nick Fury released is just the original model with the same capabilities.

Furthermore, when Surfer disabled Fury's Sonic Shark via draining, he made no mention of feeling more powerful or gaining his power back. This makes sense because it never contained his original energies in the first place.

True. However I wouldn't say that the drain was permanent, after he eventually escaped Galactus' barrier he reached levels matching or surpassing the level he was at before the missile first drained him.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
True. However I wouldn't say that the drain was permanent, after he eventually escaped Galactus' barrier he reached levels matching or surpassing the level he was at before the missile first drained him.

That's what I think too.

Originally posted by One-Punch
You realize the first scan you posted debunks your entire myth-bust?

The scans above clearly show the first Sonic Shark released by the Pentagon [b]exploded, and hence was destroyed.

This means the Sonic Shark Nick Fury released isn't literally the same missile, since the first missile was destroyed, along with the energy it drained from Surfer.

I'm not sure if English is your first languange, but you're taking word "originally" way too literally.

That scan didn't say it was literally the same missile. We know that's impossible because the first Sonic Shark exploded and was destroyed. The Sonic Shark Nick Fury released is just the original model with the same capabilities.

Furthermore, when Surfer disabled Fury's Sonic Shark via draining, he made no mention of feeling more powerful or gaining his power back. This makes sense because it never contained his original energies in the first place. [/B]


Its called a retcon bro.

Nick flat out told that the sonic shark is the same as before, hence "originally".

So, its the same sonic shark which drained Surfer. Don't like it? Complain to the writer.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
True. However I wouldn't say that the drain was permanent, after he eventually escaped Galactus' barrier he reached levels matching or surpassing the level he was at before the missile first drained him.

Galactus' barrier never depowered him to begin with. So him getting a power boost after escaping is is asinine. This is the official retcon of him getting his power back from the sonic shark.