Fire does not burn Paper

doesnt change the fact that al quaida wasnt responsible for 9/11.

instead of arguing over little things. you should look at the big picture.

who stands to gain from the sept 11 attacks? is government sponsored terrorism common? what has happened regarding freedoms since 9/11. who trained al quaida? who funded them?

look at what the pnac document said.

Project for the New American Century is a neo-conservative think-tank that promotes an ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force. The group embraces and disseminates an ideology of faith in force, U.S. supremacy, and rejection of the rule of law in international affairs.

While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein ...
"the process of [military] transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor ...

what happened 11 months later? comon.

Originally posted by Deano
doesnt change the fact that al quaida wasnt responsible for 9/11.

instead of arguing over little things. you should look at the big picture.

who stands to gain from the sept 11 attacks? is government sponsored terrorism common? what has happened regarding freedoms since 9/11. who trained al quaida? who funded them?

look at what the pnac document said.

Project for the New American Century is a neo-conservative think-tank that promotes an ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force. The group embraces and disseminates an ideology of faith in force, U.S. supremacy, and rejection of the rule of law in international affairs.

basically it says it will be hard to get the public to go along with an invasion of iraq unless a major pearl harbour like event was to happen

what happened 11 months later? comon.

who does stand to gain from the sept 11th attacks?...certainly not the US seeing as its stock markets crashed badly after the attacks (why would the US wipe out top people from its own banking sector) and is now on the verge of a massive recession

as for statements like "who trained al qaeda?"...well it wasn't al qaeda then was it...it was the mujahadeen...and if you think that a proxy war against the USSR during the height of the cold war wasn't the reason behind the funding...then you're mistaken...and more so if you think there was some sinister "take over the world" agenda

granted the way in which the mujahadeen were casually tossed aside after the afghan war ended is partly responsible for bringing about al qaeda...but who was to know

the irony of course is that your proposal that the US attacked its own banking system and its own intelligence agency would suggest that there weren't countries and groups around the world that absolutely hate the US with a passion

Are all threads in the conspiracy forum as stupid as this one?

Make an experiment at home. Make a little fire in your moms kitchen...throw your dad's passport through the flames and see whether it is instantly burned or whether it survived.

That experiment has two positive aspects. One you will understand why passports don't always burn and two the severe beating you will receive might forever smack out your silly ideas.

yes but the US DID NOT attack themselves. this rich elite did, and they stand to gain. they dont care about the US, they are using them as there vehicle for global domination. all they care about is control. there nwo agenda is priority. i cant stress that enough.

Originally posted by Deano
yes but the US DID NOT attack themselves. this rich elite did, and they stand to gain. they dont care about the US, they are using them as there vehicle for global domination. all they care about is control. there nwo agenda is priority. i cant stress that enough.

so why did you bother posting

Project for the New American Century is a neo-conservative think-tank that promotes an ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force. The group embraces and disseminates an ideology of faith in force, U.S. supremacy, and rejection of the rule of law in international affairs.

it's either the US...or it's not

Originally posted by Furion
I congratulate you on being retarded. I congratulate you for thinking of stupid things like a passport surviving but a black box being destroyed. I congratulate you for thinking a simple plane crash and fire breaks down tough steel barriers. I congratulate you for believing in a guy who continued to read a book to a class of children for 10 minutes after he was informed that the second tower was hit and the nation was under attack. Congratulations.

No congratulations needed. When you grow up and become a big boy you will come to understand that you that you are making an ass out of yourself, and that will be enough for me.

Another reason why conspiracists end up making fools of themselves is becuase they don't pay attention to what those who argue against them say. They don't read well and they make sh*t up.

To describe 9/11 as a simple plane crash makes you an imbecile and to comment on if I believe George Bush Makes you even more stupid, as many people in the GDF and other forums are aware of my opinons on him, his policies and his part in 9/11.

Sit down, shut up, stop talking and learn something. You are a child who does not know what they are arguing about, nor are you even aware what my argument or position is.

As for the rest of this post, I enjoy watching Jaden trying to b*tchslap
a little common sense into Deano and katsu, but I fear he'll end up facing the same frustration that I have in the past trying to intelligently discuss such matters with some of the people here.

Originally posted by KharmaDog

As for the rest of this post, I enjoy watching Jaden trying to b*tchslap
a little common sense into Deano and katsu, but I fear he'll end up facing the same frustration that I have in the past trying to intelligently discuss such matters with some of the people here.

it certainly feels like a massively uphill to the point of vertical struggle sometimes but i've done a reasonable job of demolishing Mr Parker (who ran out of the 9/11 thread quicker than his virtual legs could carry him and put me on ignore and continued to bait me afterwards) , classic NES and katsu so far...and i always enjoy debating with Deano cause he doesn't fly off the handle when i post contradicting ideas to his own

if anything...it keeps my typing skills up a bit and allows me to build up quicker net research skills for my uni work

Originally posted by KharmaDog
No congratulations needed. When you grow up and become a big boy you will come to understand that you that you are making an ass out of yourself, and that will be enough for me.

Another reason why conspiracists end up making fools of themselves is becuase they don't pay attention to what those who argue against them say. They don't read well and they make sh*t up.

To describe 9/11 as a simple plane crash makes you an imbecile and to comment on if I believe George Bush Makes you even more stupid, as many people in the GDF and other forums are aware of my opinons on him, his policies and his part in 9/11.

Sit down, shut up, stop talking and learn something. You are a child who does not know what they are arguing about, nor are you even aware what my argument or position is.

As for the rest of this post, I enjoy watching Jaden trying to b*tchslap
a little common sense into Deano and katsu, but I fear he'll end up facing the same frustration that I have in the past trying to intelligently discuss such matters with some of the people here.

Originally posted by Furion
What you post for Evidence makes little sense
The steel coloumns in the World Trade Center could only be melted at 2000+ degrees. Plane Crashes DON'T make that kind of heat. Plus you're saying a passport which would atleast be ripped to shreds from the sudden crash has a more likely chance of surviving then a Steel Black Box?
Oh wow, targeting my age. Even proves you're more retarded.

steel loses about half its strength at 700 oC and 90% of its strength at 1000 which is below the limit of the maximum hydrocarbon burning temperature

once again...go and do an experiment...hit a metal can with a hammer...then hit a piece of paper with a hammer...tell me which gets damaged more

anyhow...scientific paper on the steel column of the WTC

http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200323/000020032303A0729204.php

Well let's see. That makes no sense at all. You're saying the passport was on the ground and a hammer hit it? No it would either
A: Be Burned to nothing from the heat.
B: Be ripped apart by all the rubble that was falling
Plus those steel coloumns were made of highgrade steel made to withstand fires and all the steel beams would have to be heated. It would also need to burn for several hours.
No steel building has colopsed due to fire.
A building in 2004 burned for 17 hours and spread over 26 floors and reached the roof did not collapse.
There was heavy smoke from the towers which are signs the fire is dying.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are all threads in the conspiracy forum as stupid as this one?

I come here to laugh. 🙂

Originally posted by Furion
Well let's see. That makes no sense at all. You're saying the passport was on the ground and a hammer hit it? No it would either
A: Be Burned to nothing from the heat.
B: Be ripped apart by all the rubble that was falling
Plus those steel coloumns were made of highgrade steel made to withstand fires and all the steel beams would have to be heated. It would also need to burn for several hours.
No steel building has colopsed due to fire.
A building in 2004 burned for 17 hours and spread over 26 floors and reached the roof did not collapse.
There was heavy smoke from the towers which are signs the fire is dying.

like i've said before...what about the photographic evidence of thousands upon thousands of pieces of paper that survived the plane impact, fires and collapse of the building?

i've gave you the science behind the steel columns and you're still not listening...your problem

actually several steel buildings and structures have collapsed due to fire including the alexis nihon plaza building in 1986, one new york plaza in 1970, meridian plaza in 1991, the mercantile credit insurance building and the first interstate bank.

http://www.jod911.com/drg_nist_review_1_0.pdf

have a read from page 20 onward...read the whole thing if you're interested

Another bit of evidence which proves paper can´t burn is the Pentagon hit. Apparently the explosion and fire was so hot that the plane evaporated🙂, but a book on a stool near the hole remained undamaged.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Are all threads in the conspiracy forum as stupid as this one?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I come here to laugh. 🙂

Originally posted by jaden101
so why did you bother posting

it's either the US...or it's not

i told you. the US are being used as the vehicle for this agenda. they cant bring a document out called ' the hidden elites secret agenda for global dicatatoship'

that would kinda give it away i think.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Another bit of evidence which proves paper can´t burn is the Pentagon hit. Apparently the explosion and fire was so hot that the plane evaporated🙂, but a book on a stool near the hole remained undamaged.

plane didn't evaporate

wheel hub behind firefighter v

obviously could'nt of been planted.

i ask you why they wont show us footage of what hit the pentagon? surely it would shut the nuts up right?

arguin whether or not it was a plane or missile is irrelevent. We should be asking who did it. and why

Originally posted by Deano
obviously could'nt of been planted.

i ask you why they wont show us footage of what hit the pentagon? surely it would shut the nuts up right?

arguin whether or not it was a plane or missile is irrelevent. We should be asking who did it. and why

planted?...there were hundreds of eye witnesses at the scene...

even your beloved rense has a page saying it was a plane (infact its where i got 2 of those pics from if you right click and source them)

there is footage of what hit the pentagon but its been shown that the speed of the plane travelling meant the frame rate of the security camera footage wasn't quick enough to catch a full frame shot of it

so it was a plane. doesnt matter

you call that footage ? the fbi nicked tons of video evidence. why would they do that and keep them all for so long. release one guys, it will surely shut a few people up. whats to hide

Originally posted by Deano
so it was a plane. doesnt matter

you call that footage ? the fbi nicked tons of video evidence. why would they do that and keep them all for so long. release one guys, it will surely shut a few people up. whats to hide

yeah the FBI collected videos from all the surrounding commercial buildings...if one showed the plane they would've shown it to shut the "missle" theorists up