Originally posted by Mindset
Also you can't get potential beyond an omega mutant, that doesn't even make sense.
That would only be the case if you only thought of "potential" as the sheer upper limit of one's power. In that sense, it wouldn't make sense (repetition lolz) but when considering other aspects of the term, such as one's learning rate or the ability to obtain a large amount of power at an early age, it's certainly possibly, and given that it's stated, and nothing absolutely contradicts it and it hasn't been retconned, it's perfectly canon.
Originally posted by EmpererVulcan
That would only be the case if you only thought of "potential" as the sheer upper limit of one's power. In that sense, it wouldn't make sense (repetition lolz) but when considering other aspects of the term, such as one's learning rate or the ability to obtain a large amount of power at an early age, it's certainly possibly, and given that it's stated, and nothing absolutely contradicts it and it hasn't been retconned, it's perfectly canon.
Potential is the capacity for growth, omegas have unlimited potential, you can't have more than unlimited. Learning rate and etc. really don't matter when your potential is unlimited, so even then beyond omega doesn't make sense.
Unless he is using another definition for omega. 😕
Originally posted by Mindset
The energy released from the mutants on M-day was the collective.
Since when was the collective ever stated to be the entire amount of energy released? I'll answer for you: that would be never.
Deadly genesis came out a long time ago, I can't be bothered to remember every detail.
Ignorance isn't an excuse. It's explicitly stated that Vulcan absorbed the energy, which resulted in him reaching a level of potential beyond that of an Omega.
A lot of people can take on the Imperial Guard, it doesn't matter if they end up losing.
Well now you're just card stacking. It's how much as he kicked that was impressive. As said, he was able to kill numerous Imperial Guardsmen, knock back even Gladiator, and last for quite a while. It's a very impressive feat.
I agree that he is one of the strongest mutants, but they way you worded it made it seem like he was beating them or was an even match for them.
He was, to an extent, given how he was able to slay a few of them, push many of them back, and last for quite some time. If he wasn't at least close to them in power, as a collective group, he wouldn't have done so well.
Originally posted by EmpererVulcan
Since when was the collective ever stated to be the entire amount of energy released? I'll answer for you: that would be never.Ignorance isn't an excuse. It's explicitly stated that Vulcan absorbed the energy, which resulted in him reaching a level of potential beyond that of an Omega.
Well now you're just card stacking. It's how much as he kicked that was impressive. As said, he was able to kill numerous Imperial Guardsmen, knock back even Gladiator, and last for quite a while. It's a very impressive feat.
He was, to an extent, given how he was able to slay a few of them, push many of them back, and last for quite some time. If he wasn't at least close to them in power, as a collective group, he wouldn't have done so well.
How was me forgetting it being used as an excuse, I just told you I didn't remember...
Most of the Imperial Guard are nothing special, Gladiator is about the only formidable one. As soon as Gladiator came he didn't last long at all.
Originally posted by Mindset
Potential is the capacity for growth, omegas have unlimited potential, you can't have more than unlimited. Learning rate and etc. really don't matter when your potential is unlimited, so even then beyond omega doesn't make sense.
As was elaborated on, the potential of an Omega is unlimited in the sense that they have the potential to eventually achieve an unlimited level of power. Yes, potential is the capacity for the growth, which could mean a number of things... as I said, the rate at which you develop, and having a large amount of power at a young age have as much to do with potential as one's sheer upper limit of power, or "full potential" does, ergo it doesn't necessarily not make sense, and stands.
Unless he is using another definition for omega. 😕
Since the meaning has been properly defined, it's the only way in which the term has been used. Nothing suggests that anything would be different here.
Originally posted by Mindset
How was me forgetting it being used as an excuse, I just told you I didn't remember...
Just saying, though my bad on that one.
Most of the Imperial Guard are nothing special, Gladiator is about the only formidable one.
Hardly. They're described as the greatest Heroes gathered from across the Shi'ar Galactic Empire, hand picked to create the perfect fighting force. Gladiator is easily the most powerful, but hardly the only formidable one.
As soon as Gladiator came he didn't last long at all.
You mean as soon as Gladiator was finally able to face a severely weakened Vulcan? He was there all along, and powerless to stop Vulcan for quite some time.
Edit - Out of curiosity, you don't think Gladiator is actually more powerful, do you?
It's arguable. Magneto's appeared in far more material with far more opportunities to display high levels of power. However, from what little we know about Vulcan, and from the few feats he's actually performed, it's safe to say that he's an extremely powerful mutant, and possibly above Magneto's level. It's all mostly been stated in this thread, but what also has to be mentioned which hasn't yet is how he was able to blast back the Eldest of the Scy'ar Tal, who was powerful enough to catch a punch from Gladiator and break his arm with with apparent ease.