Lucifer vs *insert Marvel character*

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm Thanos would for sure. Marvel's God needed him. Thanos's will is stronger than Lucy's.

Lucifer is depowered on certain realms just because there are certain rules to follow. Thinking a Marvel character can Bfr and depower him by banishing him into another realm is idiotic to say the least.

His will is infinite, and his cunning and wit are pretty much second only to his father. Saying Thanos's will or anybody else's for that matter is stronger than Lucifer is, again, idiotic.

Living Tribunal beating Lucifer ? Based on what exactly ? There is pretty much nothing Living Tribunal could ever do to Lucifer while the former is at full power.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Which Biblical devil? There isn't a Biblical Devil- the only mentions of anything even close to a Devil in the Bible is the Snake in the Garden in the first version of the Genesis stories and the Adversary mentioned in the Book of Job, who God makes a bet with.

there is the story of Lucifer, fallen from heaven for pride. his myth repeats in The Quran too. there's the existence of djinns (demons? spirits? sprites?), of whom Iblis (Lucifer) was the only one spared when the angels came down from heaven to slaughter them. Iblis then went on to become God's most favoured (before Adam was made, naturally), thus the pride and fall narrative is set-up...

so I guess what I'm referring to is that conflation, as you're right in the technical sense, there is no "Devil".

oh and as to Goethe's Faust, it's been a decade since I last read the work, but I recall that he learnt remorse and repentance, that God forgave him... true it's not "tricking" really, but the devil did get outsmarted, in a sort of Shylok-Antonio sort of way.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Lucifer is depowered on certain realms just because there are certain rules to follow. Thinking a Marvel character can Bfr and depower him by banishing him into another realm is idiotic to say the least.

His will is infinite, and his cunning and wit are pretty much second only to his father. Saying Thanos's will or anybody else's for that matter is stronger than Lucifer is, again, idiotic.

Living Tribunal beating Lucifer ? Based on what exactly ? There is pretty much nothing Living Tribunal could ever do to Lucifer while the former is at full power.

doesn't he possess omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence?
I know that hierarchically he is 2nd to TOAA but, Lucifer is merely an aspect of the powers of God, as such he cannot possess all three of the essentials of God-ness.

What can Lucifer do at full power that would make him win against LT?

LT should be powerful enough and wise enough to totally remain immune to Lucifer.

Says who ?

doesn't he possess omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence?

These are terms thrown around by Marvel. Almost everytime something really powerfull shows up they like to call it infinite, omnipotent or the like. It still doesn't change the fact that they aren't.

I know that hierarchically he is 2nd to TOAA but, Lucifer is merely an aspect of the powers of God, as such he cannot possess all three of the essentials of God-ness.

'Will' just describes the role Lucifer has. Going by your logic, he is just will and doesn't have power. 🙂

What can Lucifer do at full power that would make him win against LT?

What can LT do to Lucifer that would make him win against him ?

That was easy 😂

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
These are terms thrown around by Marvel. Almost everytime something really powerfull shows up they like to call it infinite, omnipotent or the like. It still doesn't change the fact that they aren't.

When has Marvel ever thrown it around?

I recall Odin addressing himself as omniscient a couple of times and Thanos doing the same. That's about it though.

Originally posted by llagrok
When has Marvel ever thrown it around?

I recall Odin addressing himself as omniscient a couple of times and Thanos doing the same. That's about it though.

Odin(Omnipotent),Cosmic Cubes(Omnipotent),Galactus(Omniscient) Thanos w/Hotu (Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omipresent) or Thanos w/Ig (Omnipotent), Living Tribunal (Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent).

Off the top of my head.

How about an entire race?

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10gp6.jpg

"The bodies of Watchers are containers for a kind of Cosmic Primal Force,
effectively Omnipotent, Indestructible, and Immortal unless they choose to die"

How about Nightmare?

http://marvel.com/universe/Nightmare
Nightmare is virtually omnipotent;

I could keep going.

But here, I typed in omnipotent on Marvel's website, and obviously every bio isn't going to mention others that have been identified as such in the comics hyperbole. It's still a fairly sizable list, including The Vishanti, who are omnipotent, Vangaard, Maker/Beyonder, BeyonderS, Eternity, to name a few.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Special😖earch?search=omnipotent

Marvel.com is a fanmade site....

Originally posted by kevdude
In Lucifers own book he went beyond the Wall, now what about having little to do with the DCU again? 😉

The point is he doesnt come into contact with many dc characters, just a handful right?

Originally posted by Superherovandal
I'm pretty sure Marvel's God could have done it himself. He just didn't. Its much more amusing to have so guy that thinks that he's the most intelligent thing ever to be duped into doing it and then realising it. and Lucifer's will is so mighty that he actually managed to escape what God had preordained for him. THanos on the other hand didn't. Big difference in will. Lucifer's will is what created all of creation and all of the concepts when none of them had existed before. THanos merely used the THOTU to manipulate what was already there in the first place. Like I said big difference.

Show me a scan backing this up please.

Originally posted by Juntai
I could keep going.

But here, I typed in omnipotent on Marvel's website, and obviously every bio isn't going to mention others that have been identified as such in the comics hyperbole. It's still a fairly sizable list, including The Vishanti, who are omnipotent, Vangaard, Maker/Beyonder, BeyonderS, Eternity, to name a few.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Special😖earch?search=omnipotent

I still agree with you, even though I don't think Marvel.comic is a good site to use as reference.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Lucifer is depowered on certain realms just because there are certain rules to follow. Thinking a Marvel character can Bfr and depower him by banishing him into another realm is idiotic to say the least.

His will is infinite, and his cunning and wit are pretty much second only to his father. Saying Thanos's will or anybody else's for that matter is stronger than Lucifer is, again, idiotic.

Living Tribunal beating Lucifer ? Based on what exactly ? There is pretty much nothing Living Tribunal could ever do to Lucifer while the former is at full power.

Name me a being that has a stonger will than Thanos from marvel?

His will is infinite yet his fathers will is infinite as well,correct? confused

The relevance of this is .. ?

Name me a being that has a stonger will than Thanos in marvel?

Why would I do that ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
His will is infinite yet his fathers will is infinite as well,correct? 😕

Name me a being that has a stonger will than Thanos from marvel?

Wolverine.

Originally posted by llagrok
Wolverine.

He ate shreds of his own shoulder for months in order to survive.