Silver Surfer/Magneto vs Thor/WWH

Originally posted by Philosophía
So now you're setting up the rules on which comic is more valid than the other, in order to suit your case better ? Lulz.

Of course, this is not to mention that the comics don't contradict eachother, since the Magneto from your scan is from an old comic from 1964, one year after Magneto made his first appearence (Lulz again) while mine is from 1987 (23 years later), in which he is much stronger, especially since he has been reduced to an infant and then reaged to his prime.

Seriously, stop grasping at straws.

Interesting scans. But it looks like Thor wasn't really doing anything in that old 70's one (he's not using any of the hammer's powers). And in the scan other Magneto said mere physical force can't breach his shield so I'm assuming Thor was just belting on it. (Though given the other force fields Thor has pummelled through in the past I'd give Thor a decent chance of getting through that one and eventually proving Mags wrong).

But the real question is what happens when Thor cut loose with his other more exotic powers - his hammer still has the ability to absorb magnetism around him (and his hammer is extremely good at absorbing energy) so if that power was activated I'd guess Mags would have a tough time blocking or deflecting it. Then there are the magic blasts/god blasts/dimension warping etc.

Just my opinion but I've always thought if Thor really opened up and fought more intelligently he would beat Mags like he did the first time - I mean he's taken down Surfer before and Surfer can do everything Mags can, and far more.

On paper team 1 should have a good chance having the Surfer on board, but current Thor with WWH probably take it.

Team 2

This is an old discussion, and I never said Magneto beats Thor one-on-one, just that it's inaccurate to use the Journey Into Mystery instance to prove that Thor takes him down easily, since Magneto has gotten far more powerfull.

Magneto has took control of Thor's hammer and blocked it using his shield. Not to mention has even blocked magic attacks. And if we're going on the godblast route and such, then Magneto shuts his brain down/takes control of his body functions/separates him from his hammer, prevents it from reaching him by putting up a magnetic shield and kills him etc., most of them having a much bigger chance of happening than what you mentioned.

Anyway, back to the thread, Team 1.

Team 1, largely because I think that WWH is the weak link here.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Magneto has took control of Thor's hammer and blocked it using his shield. Not to mention has even blocked magic attacks. And if we're going on the godblast route and such, then Magneto shuts his brain down/takes control of his body functions/separates him from his hammer, prevents it from reaching him by putting up a magnetic shield and kills him etc., most of them having a much bigger chance of happening than what you mentioned.

Well, I was just pointing out that the hammer has the documented power to magically absorb the exact energy that Mags would have to employ to attempt any of those things. Thor just doesn't intelligently use a lot of those more obscure powers all that often.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Anyway, back to the thread, Team 1.

I'm going with team 2 for a decent majority, but with SS team 1 probably would get a few wins.

Mags is the weak link on t1.

Originally posted by basilisk
Well, I was just pointing out that the hammer has the documented power to magically absorb the exact energy that Mags would have to employ to attempt any of those things. Thor just doesn't intelligently use a lot of those more obscure powers all that often.

Yes, it is highly possible he can absorb Magneto's shield. Though, that's not what I was discussing. 🙂

I'm going with team 2 for a decent majority, but with SS team 1 probably would get a few wins.

Cool.

I see it as team 1 taking it in almost every confrontation.

If it's Thor vs Silver Surfer and Magneto vs Hulk, Magneto would take care of Hulk faster than anybody from the other match would be able to win.

And if it's Magneto vs Thor & Silver Surfer vs Hulk, I see Magneto giving Thor much more problems than Hulk would do to Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, it is highly possible he can absorb Magneto's shield. Though, that's not what I was discussing. 🙂

Cool.

I see it as team 1 taking it in almost every confrontation.

If it's Thor vs Silver Surfer and Magneto vs Hulk, Magneto would take care of Hulk faster than anybody from the other match would be able to win.

And if it's Magneto vs Thor & Silver Surfer vs Hulk, I see Magneto giving Thor much more problems than Hulk would do to Silver Surfer.

As to Magneto's ability to take on Thor. In all seriousness a few scans from what now is an old comic compiled with Thor's normal appearances in the Avengers. It's not la great argument to say Mags could last with Thor. Considering everything Thor's brings to the table, all the shields he has knocked through, all the power feats he has. Even a documented case of being able to dispel Mag's power if he so chooses.

An average Thor compared to an average Mags I'm taking Thor every time. And a non-holding back super written Thor vs a non-holding back super written Mags. I'm still taking Thor every time.

As to the match on hand it comes down to Thor vs Surfer end of story.

team 1

Team one takes it, at least 8/10 times.

Imma have to go with team two. Mags isn't going to have the power to put Hulk down and Hulk won't be able to touch mags.

Which Leaves Thor and Surfer. With no weaknesses for surfer to Exploit with Thor, I can't see him beating Thor. Thor's Hammer is the great smoking gun. Surfer these days may be arrogant enough to think he can just block Thor's blast. Which would cost him his life if Thor gets it cranking. Odin Magic>.Surfer's PC

Originally posted by fangirl101
Imma have to go with team two. Mags isn't going to have the power to put Hulk down and Hulk won't be able to touch mags.

Which Leaves Thor and Surfer. With no weaknesses for surfer to Exploit with Thor, I can't see him beating Thor. Thor's Hammer is the great smoking gun. Surfer these days may be arrogant enough to think he can just block Thor's blast. Which would cost him his life if Thor gets it cranking. Odin Magic>.Surfer's PC

See, I saw them matched up as Mags vs. Thor, Surfer vs. WWH.

Mags vs. WWH, you're right - would be pretty unfavorable to each contestant.

Working together Team 1 should take this. Surfer reverts WWH to Banner, and then they team up on Thor.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Working together Team 1 should take this. Surfer reverts WWH to Banner, and then they team up on Thor.

Oh yeah......Team 1 ftw.

So it comes down to
Surfer vs Thor
Magneto vs WWH.

What in the world could WWH do to Magneto?

Magneto could kill WWH in at least 10 different ways

Newjak, no offense to you, but after the Red Hulk vs Thor discussion, I'd rather not talk with Thor .. uhm .. fans. 🙂

Originally posted by id369
So it comes down to
Surfer vs Thor
Magneto vs WWH.

Or Magneto vs Thor and Silver Surfer vs Hulk. In any case, imo, the team takes it without big difficulties, imo.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Newjak, no offense to you, but after the Red Hulk vs Thor discussion, I'd rather not talk with Thor .. uhm .. fans. 🙂

Or Magneto vs Thor and Silver Surfer vs Hulk. In any case, imo, the team takes it without big difficulties, imo.

I could care less about what you do but that doesn't mean I can not respond to your posts I hope you know, nothing personal.

Which as I said it doesn't matter who goes against whom first. Magneto and Hulk are or should be none factors and this comes down to Thor vs Silver Surfer.

glad u had a good b-day young jedi

team two ftw

team 1. As mentioned surfer removes the gamma radiation (or magneto does it) from wwh. Surfer can also use the PC to augment magneto's shields, or even give some of the pc to mags so he can use it independently to augment his power.

However, isn't current mags depowered?