Originally posted by King KandyI mean it too.
I mean seriously, Thanos has beaten concepts before, and ones that have way more "combat feats" then the endless do.
But the Endless just can't die as long as beings still live. The same was obviously not true for the ones that Thanos destroyed.
Basically what I was getting at.
Originally posted by JuntaiYou dont have to kill a being on here to win. We are all in agreement that Thanos wins this in a stomp.
I mean it too.
Thanos has the feats, and the more impressive power. I agree he'd win in combat.But the Endless just can't die as long as beings still live. The same was obviously not true for the ones that Thanos destroyed.
Basically what I was getting at.
Originally posted by kevdude
I'd give it to Thanos as well but he'd have to destroy everything in order for Destiny and Death to die, even in The End we still see Marvel Death was still around even after Thanos thought he got rid of everything.
HE DOES NOT NEED TO DESTROY THE CONCEPT! HE ONLY NEEDS TO DESTROY THE ASPECT!
If Thanos wanted, he could've absorbed Death too,
and Atleza's realm.
Isn't it a coincidence though,
that Thanos only left (as far as anyone knows) Two realities behind,
Death (his life-time infatuation) and ...
Atlea's realm which contained Warlock.
Warlock, I remember Thanos saying he saw no reason not to erase Warlock aswell,
You know what Warlock responded with:
"Except then no one would witness your grand gesture"
Thanos replies, "I was not aware that I had one planned"
Warlock responds, "The security of the Void is not your way Titan"
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BAMMM!!!
What do yall think that means?
Warlock knew Thanos would end up Re-Creating everything (his grand gesture)
because like he told Thanos:
"I understand you, better than, perhaps, you do yourself,
why I have trusted you so many times in the past"
"The security of the Void is not your way Titan"
Precisely, Thanos doesn't wanna rule over nothing, a Void. 🙂
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IMO,
it's quite conceivable
that Thanos (subconsciously) allowed Death and Warlock to survive for said reasons.
Death for love ...
and Warlock for This .. to witness This:
well, the heart was bound to creation, toaa supposedly left it lying around for thanos to use, therefore it seems that thanos was destined to find it (something thanos himself seems to acknowledge when he figures out toaa's 'plan' for him), which would mean the heart and thanos's use of it was writ in destiny's pages. as such, thanos is NOT above being subject to destiny -- even WITH the heart. at least not in his manifetsed incarnation. stands to reason he was also destined to forfeit the heart. further cause to believe thanos is subject to destiny.
but . . . what could destiny DO to him though? no idea.
talking about destroying an m-body has little relevence in this case though because we have no idea if m-bodies are how concepts are embodied in dc. unless someone has evidence i don't know about. perhaps he CAN destroy their forms only to have them remake them instants later none-the-worse-for-wear.
stands to reason if thanos DID wipe out the concepts, he would subsequently erase his 'humanity' since he never really gave it up -- thanos never showed to be beyond the concepts the endless embody. what would that leave? empty power? COULD thanos 'will' himself beyond the concepts? beats me, but such an incarnation would be difficult to envisage and i'm not at all sure toaa would have been willing to allow him to do such a thing.
meh, i could see some weird sh!t happening if this match ever took. 🙂 place.
Originally posted by Mr Master
If Destiny is below the Presence,
Destiny is below THOTI.btw. THOTI absorbs Concepts completely, not just aspects/m-bodies.
Thanos turned all existence into a Void,
no Time/Space, nothing remained.
not 'all of existence'. he left some behind. if he couldn't even use the heart to overcome his own subconscious DESIRE, then he himself -- whether he destroyed them 'everywhere else' or not -- would still be subject to the concepts the endless embody.
which is why i said the only way for him to 'truly' overcome them would be to forfeit his own mortality and become something 'beyond' the concepts. could he will himself to be 'above the concepts'? i guess if this is toaa's power. however, if he remains as he is, even if he destroyed them everywhere else, they would STILL exist within him.
and i believe the words in destiny's book are said to be written by the presence which would make thanos of course, subject to them. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
not 'all of existence'. he left some behind. if he couldn't even use the heart to overcome his own subconscious DESIRE, then he himself -- whether he destroyed them 'everywhere else' or not -- would still be subject to the concepts the endless embody.which is why i said the only way for him to 'truly' overcome them would be to forfeit his own mortality and become something 'beyond' the concepts. could he will himself to be 'above the concepts'? i guess if this is toaa's power. however, if he remains as he is, even if he destroyed them everywhere else, they would STILL exist within him.
and i believe the words in destiny's book are said to be written by the presence which would make thanos of course, subject to them. 🙂
very well said 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
not 'all of existence'. he left some behind. if he couldn't even use the heart to overcome his own subconscious DESIRE, then he himself -- whether he destroyed them 'everywhere else' or not -- would still be subject to the concepts the endless embody.which is why i said the only way for him to 'truly' overcome them would be to forfeit his own mortality and become something 'beyond' the concepts. could he will himself to be 'above the concepts'? i guess if this is toaa's power. however, if he remains as he is, even if he destroyed them everywhere else, they would STILL exist within him.
and i believe the words in destiny's book are said to be written by the presence which would make thanos of course, subject to them. 🙂
Thanos rewrites the book and flicks Endless out of existence.
Originally posted by leonidas
not 'all of existence'. he left some behind. if he couldn't even use the heart to overcome his own subconscious DESIRE, then he himself -- whether he destroyed them 'everywhere else' or not -- would still be subject to the concepts the endless embody.which is why i said the only way for him to 'truly' overcome them would be to forfeit his own mortality and become something 'beyond' the concepts. could he will himself to be 'above the concepts'? i guess if this is toaa's power. however, if he remains as he is, even if he destroyed them everywhere else, they would STILL exist within him.
and i believe the words in destiny's book are said to be written by the presence which would make thanos of course, subject to them.
In Marvel,
powers below the Supreme Being can cancel/re-order or create Concepts from scratch.
Reality manipulators do just that, play around with conceptualities of Reality.
In Marvel "Destiny" is guided by the real OAA/god (writerS/artistS-avatar)
but withIN the Omniverse "Destiny" spins in the hand of the LT.
"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, (LT) for he (LT) is its Heart,
ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,
a Destiny SPUN by HIS (LT) mighty Hand"
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In Marvel, the LT is in absolute control of "Destiny" (beginning/end of All things)
And LT got absorbed like a mote in a storm by Thanos.
Originally posted by Air Legend
Actually, God is above concepts such as dream, desire, hate, love, etc.
cuz he created them in the first place.Thanos rewrites the book and flicks Endless out of existence.
Nothing short of the Presence (or equal to) stalemates him, let alone defeat him.
