The Pantheon Vs. The Darkstalkers

Originally posted by Burning thought
I was not stating who he is, I was stating [b]what he is, theres a diffrence.

And by feats alone, pyron has not really done anything legit or useful against the pantheon at his full size, certainly not squashed anything...so...stfu yourself [/B]

He has eaten planets, worn them as rings, is faster than light, is easily class 100 in his mortal form, in said mortal form can cause nuke level destruction with a punch, is intangible, can scan entire planets in moments and can see Earth from the other side of the universe(Cosmic Awareness), can teleport, has a force field which has never been penetrated, among other shit.

Hell BT, even YOU have admitted that the Pantheon would lose to Pyron alone.

Hes never had that title, and no, feats are useful and perhaps some of the best evidence, their not all that matter, a 1000 foot tall leviathan made of Titanium that has never done anything would not be beaten by a human who has tossed a golf ball.

Hes eaten a planet by using some sort of energy attack that has unkown cast/use time. Wearing planets youve already assimulated into your form is not impressive nor much of a feat. is faster than light after momentum build up. Class 100? 100 tons right? ime sure the mountains the enormous Titans built with their hands, along with the rivers weigh a little more than 100 tons tbh....great, scanning entire planets is going to help him defeat the pantheon...blimey and I dont remember him teleporting OR shielidng at his full size.

zomg the force field has never been penetrated! mabe itz coz its invincibile and can survive the big bangs powa!

I dont remember admitting that, although I would not say the Pantheon necesserily wins either, I think they would ,but I would not debate it because neither side imo has enough feats to defeat the other. Simply a lack of feats compared to a being with feats does not make a winner.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Hes never had that title, and no, feats are useful and perhaps some of the best evidence, their not all that matter, a 1000 foot tall leviathan made of Titanium that has never done anything would not be beaten by a human who has tossed a golf ball.

Hes eaten a planet by using some sort of energy attack that has unkown cast/use time. Wearing planets youve already assimulated into your form is not impressive nor much of a feat. is faster than light after momentum build up. Class 100? 100 tons right? ime sure the mountains the enormous Titans built with their hands, along with the rivers weigh a little more than 100 tons tbh....great, scanning entire planets is going to help him defeat the pantheon...blimey and I dont remember him teleporting OR shielidng at his full size.

zomg the force field has never been penetrated! mabe itz coz its invincibile and can survive the big bangs powa!

I dont remember admitting that, although I would not say the Pantheon necesserily wins either, I think they would ,but I would not debate it because neither side imo has enough feats to defeat the other. Simply a lack of feats compared to a being with feats does not make a winner.

2. Unknown cast time? We saw one panel of him doing, but we assume it is slow? It was not shown to have a cast time at all, why assume it has one? ...It is not impressive to assimilate entire planets into rings? Um, what? Prove Pyron builds momentum. You have never proved this, you will never prove this. Let me put it this way. Donavan Baine, with one arm, while getting stabbed in the heart with a blood and soul eating sword twice, held a cliff and kept it from falling. Pyron physically is much more powerful than him, while mortal. Cosmic awareness means Pyron will have total view over the battlefield from all angles, and would be able to also attack Pantheon from a range they could not see him from. Cosmic Awareness is an uber tool in combat. Prove his greater size(and in a more powerful form at that) will limit his power-set. Because that is retarded.

Nope, but it was impregnable when he was mortal. Oh, and he won't even need it.

3. I won't lie, most of Darkstalkers is featless ass holes.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
So he fixed the flaw the Old Gods made in the timeline.

He did not contain something that would have ended all reality.

Are you going to sit here and try to tell me that Highfather is a universal being, when his peers such as Sargeras were planetary at best?

A Flaw that was ripping apart the Fabric of Time and Space unending everything.

Sorry what? stopped "all reality from unweaving" so yeah he did hold back something that could have unweaved all reality, until Krasus, Rhonin and Blax managed to set the timeline straight again.

No I'm not because there is no feat to support such a line of thought, But to say that Sargeras in Planetary at best would be a misunderstanding from my point of view seen how Normal Eredar Warlocks can operate on a planetary scale.

Originally posted by Utrigita
A Flaw that was ripping apart the Fabric of Time and Space unending everything.

Sorry what? stopped "all reality from unweaving" so yeah he did hold back something that could have unweaved all reality, until Krasus, Rhonin and Blax managed to set the timeline straight again.

No I'm not because there is no feat to support such a line of thought, But to say that Sargeras in Planetary at best would be a misunderstanding from my point of view seen how Normal Eredar Warlocks can operate on a planetary scale.

2. He kept it from growing and becoming more powerful. It's not like he contained a big bang or anything of the sort.

3. The average Eredar Warlock can?

And Sargeras has no feats to suggest he is beyond planetary, high end planetary I'll buy, but beyond that? Nah

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. No, but it is a title you just placed on him. And your comparison sucks, no feat of Highfather's that has been brought to my attention rivals Pyron.

2. Unknown cast time? We saw one panel of him doing, but we assume it is slow? It was not shown to have a cast time at all, why assume it has one? ...It is not impressive to assimilate entire planets into rings? Um, what? Prove Pyron builds momentum. You have never proved this, you will never prove this. Let me put it this way. Donavan Baine, with one arm, while getting stabbed in the heart with a blood and soul eating sword twice, held a cliff and kept it from falling. Pyron physically is much more powerful than him, while mortal. Cosmic awareness means Pyron will have total view over the battlefield from all angles, and would be able to also attack Pantheon from a range they could not see him from. Cosmic Awareness is an uber tool in combat. Prove his greater size(and in a more powerful form at that) will limit his power-set. Because that is retarded.

Nope, but it was impregnable when he was mortal. Oh, and he won't even need it.

3. I won't lie, most of Darkstalkers is featless ass holes.

1. my comparison is perfect, Pyron could indeed be pathetic towards high father, either way, you cannot give Pyron a win over a featless entity either, especially not one who is considered extremely powerful.

2. A single panel cannot determine whether its fast or slow. So we assume everything not implied a cast time is instant to cast? I have many times proven it. What claims Pyron has actual cosmic awareness and not a vast sight range?

ive already proven it, and I dont have to prove it either, your asking me to disprove something youve yet to prove, you make the statement he can do those powers in his full size, you show the evidence, logic suggests he is not a being of infinite energy mass, he is of a limited overall mass, its very likely that keeping his full size form lessens the amount of energy he can use in actual attacks, on the other hand when he is smaller, all of his energy is condensed into him. This means he can use more of it in attacks and defences.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. my comparison is perfect, Pyron could indeed be pathetic towards high father, either way, you cannot give Pyron a win over a featless entity either, especially not one who is considered extremely powerful.

2. A single panel cannot determine whether its fast or slow. So we assume everything not implied a cast time is instant to cast? I have many times proven it. What claims Pyron has actual cosmic awareness and not a vast sight range?

ive already proven it, and I dont have to prove it either, your asking me to disprove something youve yet to prove, you make the statement he can do those powers in his full size, you show the evidence, logic suggests he is not a being of infinite energy mass, he is of a limited overall mass, its very likely that keeping his full size form lessens the amount of energy he can use in actual attacks, on the other hand when he is smaller, all of his energy is condensed into him. This means he can use more of it in attacks and defences.

2. Um, yeah actually, it was no shown to have a cast time, why would we assume it has one? Should we assume Superman's heat vision has a cast time?You have not. You merely provided your own interpretation of a scan which does not show him gaining momentum at all, and it took two panels to do what he did, if he had to build "momentum," he certainly didn't have to build much. Everything builds momentum as it moves, but you assume it takes Pyron an ungodly amount of time to do so. Pyron scanned the planet Earth in its entirety, and came to an accurate conclusion of its future in moments, both of those are indications of Cosmic Awareness.

3. You have proven that Pyron magically loses his powers, when he is at full power? Really? We are really supposed to assume that Pyron at his most powerful, not limited like his mortal form, loses his powers? If his power were all condensed into his mortal form, he would be more powerful. It is not a question of size, it is of power.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. A flaw that would have. There is a difference.

2. He kept it from growing and becoming more powerful. It's not like he contained a big bang or anything of the sort.

3. The average Eredar Warlock can?

And Sargeras has no feats to suggest he is beyond planetary, high end planetary I'll buy, but beyond that? Nah

A flaw that had already grew to the size of a mountain, if we assume that the Flaw functioned like a Black hole which is possible given how it's described it would atleast have ripped Azeroth apart.

Containing a flaw in reality that could rip everything apart, isn't what you would call impressive? But Pyron has?

Yes the Paramount spell can rip a planet apart, in Rise of The Horde, Kil'Jaeden is irritated that he isn't omnipotent yet, that the planets doesn't fall with a gesture from his hand, but one Planet based on the MoM a ordinary Warlock given the time can rip apart.

If the Eredar Warlocks that gained their power from Sargeras is Planetary and they are far below Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden and these two have been refered to as fleas compared to the power of Sargeras what do you think he is?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Coulda shoulda woulda. You can't prove it or even come up with a convincing argument other than,"Oh gee, he could be stronger than Pyron." Yeah, not gonna fly.

2. Um, yeah actually, it was no shown to have a cast time, why would we assume it has one? Should we assume Superman's heat vision has a cast time?You have not. You merely provided your own interpretation of a scan which does not show him gaining momentum at all, and it took two panels to do what he did, if he had to build "momentum," he certainly didn't have to build much. Everything builds momentum as it moves, but you assume it takes Pyron an ungodly amount of time to do so. Pyron scanned the planet Earth in its entirety, and came to an accurate conclusion of its future in moments, both of those are indications of Cosmic Awareness.

3. You have proven that Pyron magically loses his powers, when he is at full power? Really? We are really supposed to assume that Pyron at his most powerful, not limited like his mortal form, loses his powers? If his power were all condensed into his mortal form, he would be more powerful. It is not a question of size, it is of power.

1. Pyron "should" have been able to crush planets, Pyron "should" have been able to shield himself, has he shown it? oh shit he has not!

2. You shouldnt assume anything and nothing indicates its a fast attack either. No because Superman has been shown in many types of media to fire his lasers on a whim. Does not show him? isnt that your interpretation, at the same time your bashing my opinion on the scan by saying yours, thats really pathetic.....indications? their not cosmic awarness tho, simple as....their nothing to do with being able to see the entire battlefield.

3. Theres no real limit and "mortal form" is what youve slapped on it, all it is, is Pyron at human size, hes got exactley the same power and has shown with feats more powers as well. You obviously ignored what i said or I simply said something too complicated that you cannot comprehend. He doesnt just lose tonnes of power or energy just because hes smaller, like most of your debating tactics and decisions, you base too much on physical appearance and power rather than logic and fact.

Originally posted by Utrigita
[B]

If the Eredar Warlocks that gained their power from Sargeras is Planetary and they are far below Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden and these two have been refered to as fleas compared to the power of Sargeras what do you think he is?

errr, smaller than Pyron! coz their smaller than him he will simply squash them like a bugz!

Originally posted by Utrigita
A flaw that had already grew to the size of a mountain, if we assume that the Flaw functioned like a Black hole which is possible given how it's described it would atleast have ripped Azeroth apart.

Containing a flaw in reality that could rip everything apart, isn't what you would call impressive? But Pyron has?

Yes the Paramount spell can rip a planet apart, in Rise of The Horde, Kil'Jaeden is irritated that he isn't omnipotent yet, that the planets doesn't fall with a gesture from his hand, but one Planet based on the MoM a ordinary Warlock given the time can rip apart.

If the Eredar Warlocks that gained their power from Sargeras is Planetary and they are far below Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden and these two have been refered to as fleas compared to the power of Sargeras what do you think he is?

2. Fixing a flaw in the timeline is good and all, but you are hyping it to be this great feat of holding back the dimension from collapsing. It is not a country-wide feat, let alone universal.

3. ...Given the time? Given the time, Akuma from Streetfighter can rip a planet apart, given the time, Sephiroth can rip a planet apart. Elaborate.

4. Planetary. High end planetary possibly, but the difference between a planet and the next step, Solar System, is gargantuan.

Thats not true, it goes from Planet, then to Star, then to the actual Solar system I woud say.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. Pyron "should" have been able to crush planets, Pyron "should" have been able to shield himself, has he shown it? oh shit he has not!

2. You shouldnt assume anything and nothing indicates its a fast attack either. No because Superman has been shown in many types of media to fire his lasers on a whim. Does not show him? isnt that your interpretation, at the same time your bashing my opinion on the scan by saying yours, thats really pathetic.....indications? their not cosmic awarness tho, simple as....their nothing to do with being able to see the entire battlefield.

3. Theres no real limit and "mortal form" is what youve slapped on it, all it is, is Pyron at human size, hes got exactley the same power and has shown with feats more powers as well. You obviously ignored what i said or I simply said something too complicated that you cannot comprehend. He doesnt just lose tonnes of power or energy just because hes smaller, like most of your debating tactics and decisions, you base too much on physical appearance and power rather than logic and fact.

errr, smaller than Pyron! coz their smaller than him he will simply squash them like a bugz!

Pyron can shield himself. Pyron has destroyed planets. Pyron wears them as rings.

Highfather has never shown anywhere near the feats you are claiming.

2. You have to prove it has a charge time, I do not have to prove it doesn't. Burden of proof is on you. Why should we assume it has a cast time at all? Because you want him to have one? I don't have to prove he doesn't build momentum. You have to prove he does. Burden of proof is on you. By comic definition, it is cosmic awareness, being able to view things like planets from lightyears away and being able to scan them in moments along with correctly predicting its future indicate Cosmic Awareness. If you continue to debate this, you are making an argument of repitition.

Two burden of proof fallacies in one small paragraph? Not bad.

3. Not according to the canon of the game. It is stated that he took a human form to fight under Earth's rules, and you are committing a Hasty Generalization Fallacy, a pretty big one actually, using evidence not even from the canon. I base my opinion on what the canon factually states, you are committing a logical fallacy not based on the facts of the game. And you're no where near as intelligent or superior as you seem to think you are, I know what you said, you were wrong, deal with it. I base my claims on the game, you base your claims on your personal opinion. And it is also an appeal to wishful thinking fallacy.

A Strawman, two Burden of Proof fallacies, Hasty Generalization, an Appeal to Wishful Thinking Fallacy, and now an Ad Hominem?

I must admit BT, I am indeed impressed.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not true, it goes from Planet, then to Star, then to the actual Solar system I woud say.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. A black hole? All of earth's mass compressed into a black hole would be around the size of a marble, if it was a black hole, Azeroth would be destroyed.

2. Fixing a flaw in the timeline is good and all, but you are hyping it to be this great feat of holding back the dimension from collapsing. It is not a country-wide feat, let alone universal.

3. ...Given the time? Given the time, Akuma from Streetfighter can rip a planet apart, given the time, Sephiroth can rip a planet apart. Elaborate.

4. Planetary. High end planetary possibly, but the difference between a planet and the next step, Solar System, is gargantuan.

1. It would have destroyed Azeroth and perhaps beyond(For example, fate of Draenor/Outland is heavily tied with Azeroth's) if not for Nozdormu keeping it all together. The temporal storm was acting very much like a black hole.

2. See 1^
It were the heroes that "fixed" the timeline by setting things right. Nozdormu just made sure they got there to do their job, Noz was just keeping it together.

3. I think he was talking about 'Chittering Death'. It can seriously **** up a planet if given enough time. How exactly it works or how much time it needs I don't know. I think I have those WC books somewhere in a flash.

4. The Titans aren't planetary, they're cosmic. Actually, they are in many ways comparable to The Celestials from X-Men comics.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Strawman fallacy.

Pyron can shield himself. Pyron has destroyed planets. Pyron wears them as rings.

Highfather has never shown anywhere near the feats you are claiming.

2. You have to prove it has a charge time, I do not have to prove it doesn't. Burden of proof is on you. Why should we assume it has a cast time at all? Because you want him to have one? I don't have to prove he doesn't build momentum. You have to prove he does. Burden of proof is on you. By comic definition, it is cosmic awareness, being able to view things like planets from lightyears away and being able to scan them in moments along with correctly predicting its future indicate Cosmic Awareness. If you continue to debate this, you are making an argument of repitition.

Two burden of proof fallacies in one small paragraph? Not bad.

3. Not according to the canon of the game. It is stated that he took a human form to fight under Earth's rules, and you are committing a Hasty Generalization Fallacy, a pretty big one actually, using evidence not even from the canon. I base my opinion on what the canon factually states, you are committing a logical fallacy not based on the facts of the game. And you're no where near as intelligent or superior as you seem to think you are, I know what you said, you were wrong, deal with it. I base my claims on the game, you base your claims on your personal opinion. And it is also an appeal to wishful thinking fallacy.

A Strawman, two Burden of Proof fallacies, Hasty Generalization, an Appeal to Wishful Thinking Fallacy, and now an Ad Hominem?

I must admit BT, I am indeed impressed.

1. But done none of it in his full form apprently, and no BS, thats not a strawman....

2. Yes you do, you cant assume anything, If i said kain can fire super godlike universe destroying beams from his ass and then said you had to prove he cannot thats a fallacy right there.....your pretty much doing something similiar, your assuming without logic or evidence an aspect of Pyrons abilities that are never shown. As I said your talking BS, this is nothing to do with proof, this is about you inventing BS because you think hes doing something it doesnt say hes doing, and bring up those scans and ill prove it for the millionth time. The same with you, your the one who is giving Pyron powers just because you think him scanning something or seeing something from a long distance constitutes to him being able to see the entire battlefield at once from every angle lol, whats next, Pyronz can scan planets so hes as big as the Andromeda galaxy! durlaugh

nah, go and learn what the fallacies actually are, your the one simply inventing shit out of your ass, so technically I dont have to prove anything for YOUR character.

3. So okie, he took a human form...and saying "zomg your not superior your wrongs!" doesnt help your argument, what I said was logically correct and the game doesnt say anywehre in it that he randomly loses energy just because he is smaller yet logic dictates hes using more if hes expanding it into his fully sized form.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Arguably star could be considered high end planetary.

not really, its completly diffrent in size and substence, shattering some large lumps of rock and metal ore elements is not the same as somehow destroying an object many times larger made of hydrogen.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
1. It would have destroyed Azeroth and perhaps beyond(For example, fate of Draenor/Outland is heavily tied with Azeroth's) if not for Nozdormu keeping it all together. The temporal storm was acting very much like a black hole.

2. See 1^
It were the heroes that "fixed" the timeline by setting things right. Nozdormu just made sure they got there to do their job, Noz was just keeping it together.

3. I think he was talking about 'Chittering Death'. It can seriously **** up a planet if given enough time. How exactly it works or how much time it needs I don't know. I think I have those WC books somewhere in a flash.

4. The Titans aren't planetary, they're cosmic. Actually, they are in many ways comparable to The Celestials from X-Men comics.

2. So he held it back while it was still weak(relatively). Kewl. Not on the realm of planetary, let alone universal.

3. Then why is it hyped up to be this great planet destroying move? And from the sound of it, all it can do is destroy the surface of a planet, over time. Star Wars characters have done better.

4. Cosmic is a title. Pyron is cosmic. He eats planets. Does this make him Galactus in power? No. Same way a Titan is not as powerful as a single Celestial, hell, a single Celestial would solo the Titan race, they are more powerful than Kubik, you know, the guy who compressed a universe to the size of a Basketball?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. A black hole would have destroyed Azeroth long before it reached mountain size. Being big and sucking things into it does not make it a black hole.

2. So he held it back while it was still weak(relatively). Kewl. Not on the realm of planetary, let alone universal.

3. Then why is it hyped up to be this great planet destroying move? And from the sound of it, all it can do is destroy the surface of a planet, over time. Star Wars characters have done better.

4. Cosmic is a title. Pyron is cosmic. He eats planets. Does this make him Galactus in power? No. Same way a Titan is not as powerful as a single Celestial, hell, a single Celestial would solo the Titan race, they are more powerful than Kubik, you know, the guy who compressed a universe to the size of a Basketball?

1. Oh man, it didn't become a space and time raping black hole because of Nozdormu's efforts to keep it in check.

2. ^

3. Dunno, I'm not the one who "hyped" it up.

4. Really? Holy shit. Gotta love the BS retardedly outrageous comic character powers.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. But done none of it in his full form apprently, and no BS, thats not a strawman....

2. Yes you do, you cant assume anything, If i said kain can fire super godlike universe destroying beams from his ass and then said you had to prove he cannot thats a fallacy right there.....your pretty much doing something similiar, your [b]assuming without logic or evidence an aspect of Pyrons abilities that are never shown. As I said your talking BS, this is nothing to do with proof, this is about you inventing BS because you think hes doing something it doesnt say hes doing, and bring up those scans and ill prove it for the millionth time. The same with you, your the one who is giving Pyron powers just because you think him scanning something or seeing something from a long distance constitutes to him being able to see the entire battlefield at once from every angle lol, whats next, Pyronz can scan planets so hes as big as the Andromeda galaxy! durlaugh

nah, go and learn what the fallacies actually are, your the one simply inventing shit out of your ass, so technically I dont have to prove anything for YOUR character.

3. So okie, he took a human form...and saying "zomg your not superior your wrongs!" doesnt help your argument, what I said was logically correct and the game doesnt say anywehre in it that he randomly loses energy just because he is smaller yet logic dictates hes using more if hes expanding it into his fully sized form.

not really, its completly diffrent in size and substence, shattering some large lumps of rock and metal ore elements is not the same as somehow destroying an object many times larger made of hydrogen. [/B]

You are corrupting my argument to refute it, hence a strawman. Although honestly, your argument does share similarities with a Red Herring. Hell, I did not even mention Pyron using powers in his full size, but you brought it up without making a single argument for Highfather, which is also technically a Red Herring.

In other words, you fail.

2. I assume nothing. You say that Pyron could have a charge time. I don't have to prove he does not, you have to prove he does, the burden of proof, is on you. Not me. I don't have to prove the negative, you have to prove the positive which YOU claimed. And you cannot prove it, Pyron moved like an inch in the scan, then we see him as a star in the distance. Should we assume he has this super slow acceleration based off that? How about no? As a matter of fact, you cannot prove he really started moving in his destination at all, he clearly changed directing before flying off in the distance, as you can see here, the "star" in the distance that is Pyron and Pyron near Earth are in the same spot on the scan, only Pyron is not really visible when he flew away, he is a star. And my argument was never really that he did not have to build momentum, only that you have insufficient evidence to claim he has slow accelleration, which you are implying he does. He could start at 10% of lightspeed when he starts moving, he would still by feats be tremendously faster than the Pantheon.

http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=58699226qn7.jpg

And you are nit-picking, Pyron can based on feats crush the Pantheon with his bare hands, he does not need his other powers, you have not provided a THING in the Pantheon's defense.

Strawman again. You suck at this, debating I mean. Pyron has both of the key traits of Cosmic Awareness, I have proven he has them before, and yet he does not? Really? Lol. The every angle part is an overestimation I admit, though logical, considering Pyron does not actually have eyes so his vision would not be limited to them.

Yeah, you do, you have to prove things when you claim them, character does not matter. You claim that Pyron has to build some ungodly amount of momentum before reaching top speed, hence, burden of proof is on you. You claim that eating a planet has a charge time, hence, burden of proof is on you. My character or not, the burden of proof is not on me to prove YOUR claims, maybe you should learn the basic rules of debating first. If a republican claims that Barack Obama is a Muslim while debating a democrat, by your logic the democrat would have to prove he is not, but that is fallacious. The Republican has to prove he is.

And I know what the fallacies are, those were their correct usages.

3. You would be correct if it only said he took a human form, but it then says he did so to fight by Earth's rules, a clear implication he had to lessen himself to fight the Darkstalkers fairly. You always do this, cut my argument in half and nit-pick what you can debate, and ignore what you cannot.

I'll concede this since I really could not care about this argument, the sun thing, considering to my knowledge they have not done that either.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
1. Oh man, it didn't become a space and time raping black hole because of Nozdormu's efforts to keep it in check.

2. ^

3. Dunno, I'm not the one who "hyped" it up.

4. Really? Holy shit. Gotta love the BS retardedly outrageous comic character powers.

3. Sorry if I sounded rude, but people have hyped the move up to be some sort of uber planet buster, which based on this debate, it is not.

4. Me or Ultrigitos could get the scan if you wanted, of both Kubik compressing a universe and of him stating Celestials are far more powerful.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. ...So he stopped it from transforming into what you would consider a black hole? I mean, that is kind of not the same as holding together a black hole.

3. Sorry if I sounded rude, but people have hyped the move up to be some sort of uber planet buster, which based on this debate, it is not.

4. Me or Ultrigitos could get the scan if you wanted, of both Kubik compressing a universe and of him stating Celestials are far more powerful.

1. Oh damn, I believe we've got a misunderstanding... may have been my fault. He was holding it together, it was as strong as it got, Noz was containing it. Faltering but for a single moment would've meant the End.

3. It summons a virtually endless amount of magical carrion beetles that eat/destroy everything in their path.

4. It's not necessary, I know it's true hence why I've said that comic characters have retardedly outrageous powers.