A black hole prevents everything from exiting it. A black hole even drains actual light. A black hole is litteraly said to "suck everything in" and since light is not a material thing, then what makes you so sure that a soul would get away? Unless you can counter science and disproving the fact that a black hole absorbs anything, you can not use that strategy of yours to speak this debate into Seph's benefit.
Originally posted by Furion
But you forgot
*Seph's spirit leaves his body and possesses Kain's. Then Seph makes Kain teleport into a blackhole and leaves the body at the last second.*
show me sephiroth as a spirit Possessing someone, and wtf, your combating kain who has the ability to cast souls into the netherrealm with a soul? lawls......
No being has ever possessed kain, much less his soul, not even the soul reaver could take kains soul and neither could the Elder God who was basically an embodiment of the underworld itself and life and death, Sephiroth would be able to do nothing but get cast into a netherrealm and lost for eternity
but i only played along with your little game, Sephiroth would never cut kain, Sephiroth would never because Kain has a shield, so the Chaos armour would reflect Sephiroths attack onto him, while the shield protects kain, and then Sephiroth drops dead, and then Kain casts his soul into the netherealm
Sephiroth is a non factor in this fight thats for sure, and the reaver can slice anything, Kain would slice Sephiroths very spirit in half if he bothered
although i agree with Furion on the old blackhole thing, a soul is not really of this world, its in a spectoral plane, a blackhole swallows things of our world
i can prove you wrong by saying Science does not usually accept the excistence of soul so the description of a blackhole would not take that into account, soul is of religion, soul is not of a plane, technically a soul is not near it at all, its a entire realm and plane away, so i can prove you wrong with both those suggestions
also a blackhole does not swallow everything it does not swallow the very darkmatter that makes up space, it does not swallow gravity, it gives off a lot of gravity but not swallows it, it does not swallow forces
A black hole has its own gravity system. It absorbs light, an etheral matter, and since a soul is an ehteral thing- there is no saying that a soul can escape a black hole. A black hole does indeed swallow space. Inside a black hole, there is nothing. However, outside the black hole- there is space.
Soul is religion, but so is light. Light exists in real life and you can not prove that a soul does not exist. They are both etheral and a black hole swallows light.
1. Light a Religon? Stop refering to Warcraft
2. Light cannot travel through a galaxy in a second.
3. Chaos Armor protects Kains body, not his head. That's just gameplay
4. Soul? Seph has Nega-Lifestream out on the field. He can still just shove it up Kain's ass and possess him. Oh and Seph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any being who has tried to possess Kain.
Plus there are theories of Black Holes transporting stuff into a different Universe.
Originally posted by Becci
A black hole has its own gravity system. It absorbs light, an etheral matter, and since a soul is an ehteral thing- there is no saying that a soul can escape a black hole. A black hole does indeed swallow space. Inside a black hole, there is nothing. However, outside the black hole- there is space.Soul is religion, but so is light. Light exists in real life and you can not prove that a soul does not exist. They are both etheral and a black hole swallows light.
well inside a blackhole is a point of infnite density that apprently sends you to another time period or dimension or point in the universe
not really, because light can be explained, light is of cominbations like energy, heat etc etc, particles and so on. Soul is not neccerily in this realm liike light is, so a blackhole would not swallow it, and as furion says, light is not a religion or connected to it, its real science and a real thing, soul on the other hand is not neccerily
Originally posted by Furion
1. Light a Religon? Stop refering to Warcraft
2. Light cannot travel through a galaxy in a second.
3. Chaos Armor protects Kains body, not his head. That's just gameplay
4. Soul? Seph has Nega-Lifestream out on the field. He can still just shove it up Kain's ass and possess him. Oh and Seph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any being who has tried to possess Kain.
Plus there are theories of Black Holes transporting stuff into a different Universe.
3. prove it, the power of the armour is a spell, magical energy, theres no reason why it cannot protect the rest of kain
4. prove Negative lifestream is constantly with sephiroth, that he can control its movement and power while as a spirit, and theres no way his soul would escape kain, not a chance, the neg lifestream would never beat kain to moving his hand and destroying sephiroth and sending him into netherrealm and Seph would fall to the Elder God, he did not try and possess kain however, but hes a soul master, higher than any other i would rate in Gaming fiction thats for sure, especially above Sephiroth
Originally posted by Furion
1. Light a Religon? Stop refering to Warcraft
2. Light cannot travel through a galaxy in a second.
3. Chaos Armor protects Kains body, not his head. That's just gameplay
4. Soul? Seph has Nega-Lifestream out on the field. He can still just shove it up Kain's ass and possess him. Oh and Seph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any being who has tried to possess Kain.
Plus there are theories of Black Holes transporting stuff into a different Universe.
1. Inca for one? 😛 Even though I know about Warcraft, it does not mean I am obsessed and involves it into everything.
2. What can?
4. Theory, yes. However- just pretending that it would be correct. If they are transported into a different universe, then Kain does not actually die from going into that black hole and the fight is not over. Since I strongly believe Kain lives longer than Seph, he win by waiting.
Originally posted by Burning thought
well inside a blackhole is a point of infnite density that apprently sends you to another time period or dimension or point in the universenot really, because light can be explained, light is of cominbations like energy, heat etc etc, particles and so on. Soul is not neccerily in this realm liike light is, so a blackhole would not swallow it, and as furion says, light is not a religion or connected to it, its real science and a real thing, soul on the other hand is not neccerily
3. prove it, the power of the armour is a spell, magical energy, theres no reason why it cannot protect the rest of kain
4. prove Negative lifestream is constantly with sephiroth, that he can control its movement and power while as a spirit, and theres no way his soul would escape kain, not a chance, the neg lifestream would never beat kain to moving his hand and destroying sephiroth and sending him into netherrealm and Seph would fall to the Elder God, he did not try and possess kain however, but hes a soul master, higher than any other i would rate in Gaming fiction thats for sure, especially above Sephiroth
What I want said- is that we do not know what exactly a black hole is, or what it can absorb, how it does it and what happens from the absorbed target. Therefore I do not consider the usage of it in a debate valid.
Originally posted by Becci
.What I want said- is that we do not know what exactly a black hole is, or what it can absorb, how it does it and what happens from the absorbed target. Therefore I do not consider the usage of it in a debate valid.
it can be used however for things we do know about, for example we know it can swallow matter, so if you throw someone in, their gonners, if you throw a matter object or something like light in, its gone, but cannot debate souls
Originally posted by Burning thought
it can be used however for things we do know about, for example we know it can swallow matter, so if you throw someone in, their gonners, if you throw a matter object or something like light in, its gone, but cannot debate souls
Conclusion: You can not debate for, or against souls in a Black Hole-ish matter.
Since a black hole is said to absorb everything and it in fact can not be disproven (Yet), it should not be a valid way to debate.
Originally posted by Becci
Conclusion: You can not debate for, or against souls in a Black Hole-ish matter.Since a black hole is said to absorb everything and it in fact can not be disproven (Yet), it should not be a valid way to debate.
i dont see why a blackhole came into this anyway, sephiroth is not a factor in this fight, no one is possessing kain, and Kain would of possessed Pyron and whoped his team across the cosmos, then kain leaves pyrons body who dies, and thats kain champion of a so called, Spite gauntlet against kain
yes we do, we know becuse kain gets a single resurrection, Kain can ressurect near Pyron and so it begins...again, spite in kains favour really
and what does it matter, i still dont agree with your idea of Pyron apprently being too big to see, and with dimension reaver power he should be able to see across into another dimension considering with the same power another guy did and he has less control over it, less uderstanding and is a human of very little years in comparison to kain, he even has less power but the guy could see into other dimensions so should kain, and if thats the case, then Kain could most definaltey see Pyron, even if his vampiric senses just sense pyron, or considering Pyron has a large mind apprently Kain is likely to sense that with his own enhanced mind
Kain could just shield, Dimension jump to escape any planetary damage pyron may do (this is considering that he destroys his team as well.....so it would just be pyron left anyway) and then Kain ports near pyron, close enough to cast a spell, or if he does die, resurrects and does the same, its spite, because kain wins either way and theres no way i see the other side being able to stop this if Pyron is smashing them all, and he himself has no ability to go into dimensions or attack souls
1. No, Seph would already have Nega-Lifestream out from trying to possess Pyron. Seph summoned Nega-Lifestream with a hand motion. Also Seph would not lose to Elder. What's he gonna do? Tentacle Attack? Elder would probably just try to make Seph one of his Soul Collectors.
2. Souls are not of this Realm. They are beyond us.
3. Thoughts can travel past the Galaxy in 1 second. Souls can move at about that speed.
4. Didn't say you where addicted. It just seemed like a Warcraft Reference.
5. Seph's technically already dead. He can wait eternity. Jedah is like immortal is he not. Kratos is a god.
But Kain would most likely get ripped apart due to spaghettification
Originally posted by Furion
1. No, Seph would already have Nega-Lifestream out from trying to possess Pyron. Seph summoned Nega-Lifestream with a hand motion. Also Seph would not lose to Elder. What's he gonna do? Tentacle Attack? Elder would probably just try to make Seph one of his Soul Collectors.
2. Souls are not of this Realm. They are beyond us.
3. Thoughts can travel past the Galaxy in 1 second. Souls can move at about that speed.
4. Didn't say you where addicted. It just seemed like a Warcraft Reference.
5. Seph's technically already dead. He can wait eternity. Jedah is like immortal is he not. Kratos is a god.
1. no he would fire energy at him, crush him with thousands of infnite tentacles alll reforming if any get damaged, fireing thousands of energy blasts each the size of Sephiroth and then spin him in the wheel of fate and make him a peasent on the other side and since when does the Negative lifestream come out of Sephiroth? its corrupted from lifestream itself is it not?
2. aye
3. wtf? the speed of thought is much slower than the speed of light and that cannot travel a galaxy in a second
5. Ryu would die of old age and ime not sure Dante is immortal