Originally posted by queeq
I NEVER EVER made any claims that the Bible is reliable
Fine, I'm willing to accept that your religious beliefs are based on a flawed and incomplete understanding of humanity and its history. God doesn't exist and Jesus was just a regular guy. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. I don't think the bible is valid either, sorry we didn't both realize we were saying that.
cheers
Who said it wasn't reliable other than DK? And he never gave any other argument than saying:""Because people made it up." That's it. Very deep insights this guys has... NOT.
Originally posted by Devil King
Fine, I'm willing to accept that your religious beliefs are based on a flawed and incomplete understanding of humanity and its history. God doesn't exist and Jesus was just a regular guy. Sorry for misunderstanding your point. I don't think the bible is valid either, sorry we didn't both realize we were saying that.cheers
DK is a master at misquoting and manipulation. His aim is never to have a decent debate, just to be right. That's why he stoops to aggressive wordplay, sarcasm and patronisation. Quite sad really.
Originally posted by queeq
DK is a master at misquoting and manipulation. His aim is never to have a decent debate, just to be right. That's why he stoops to aggressive wordplay, sarcasm and patronisation. Quite sad really.
I wouldn't know. But queeq, I think everybody is a master at misunderstand you. ...sorry, no offense...but It's hard to tell what you think sometimes 🙁
For example, until recently, I used to think you were an ID supporter.
I try to keep an open mind, that helps me develop insights. I don't stick to one way of explaining things. I have my ideas and beliefs, but they're not always suited in every debate.
In this case it is quite striking that words are put in my mouth and assumptions are made about me without my posts giving any reason for it.
But this is the way it goes around here I guess. A thread is about facts and people onyl look at or assume your background and conclude taht everything you say is BS or not, just based on that (alleged or not) background. Arguments don't count, only where you come from. For me that's not open minded, but dogmatic.
Originally posted by queeq
Who said it wasn't reliable other than DK? And he never gave any other argument than saying:""Because people made it up." That's it. Very deep insights this guys has... NOT.DK is a master at misquoting and manipulation. His aim is never to have a decent debate, just to be right. That's why he stoops to aggressive wordplay, sarcasm and patronisation. Quite sad really.
Yeah, I'm a deciever and a manipulator. What's next, going to call me evil and corrupt? Are you going to blame me for tempting humanity with things like facts and understanding?
But, you're right. I was too affraid to have a real debate, so we can start over.
Why are you defending the legitimacy of the bible? Is it because you don't subscribe to the idea of god as set forth in the christian bible?
I was not defending the legitimatcy of the Bible, I was saying that as an historical document we shouldn't so easily dismiss it. It's not just a book filled with religious sayings.
Again, you try to label me without reason. Unlike me. I'd never say you're evil. Corrupt I cannot prove, but I can show you intentionally misquote me to place me in a certain light so you can diss me. That is, in short, not fair and not very nice. Do with it as you will.
Originally posted by queeq
Am I wrong to assume that if I say yes, everything I say will be dismissed by you beforehand? If so, any debate with someone who is not like-minded is useless for you.You kinda seem to steer into a direction where you want people to condemn you. Why is that? Had some bad experiences?
I haven't dismissed anything other than what you profess to be facts, but are not; just vague speculation and surface understanding about the subject. Anyone can look this stuff up on Wiki, but that doesn't tell you everything. I know more about this subject, apparently, and have no issues debating you but you seem to be scared to do so. Obviousy you want to draw me into a childish argument about everything BUT the subject of the thread.
I didn't wake up one day and suddenly decide that my roman catholic upbringing was a farce. It took me a while to drill out the shit that was drilled in; which was done over the course of a 12 year catholic school education.
You believe in desert superstitions and ancient explainations for bad things happening; I'll tell you why it's silly.
While there is evidence of some of the people and places presented in the Bible, it does not necessitate evidence for the claims to miracles or supernatural intervention. While I believe in the Bible, and miracles stated therein, there is no scientific evidence of the miracles claimed therein actually having occurred.
Originally posted by Regret
While there is evidence of some of the people and places presented in the Bible, it does not necessitate evidence for the claims to miracles or supernatural intervention. While I believe in the Bible, and miracles stated therein, there is no scientific evidence of the miracles claimed therein actually having occurred.
That's a fun way of saying that faith requires no proof.
Originally posted by queeq
Who said it wasn't reliable other than DK?
I did as well.
One of these things is not like the others:
Originally posted by queeq
I was not defending the legitimatcy of the Bible . . .
Originally posted by queeq
. . . as an historical document we shouldn't so easily dismiss it.
Originally posted by queeq
It's not just a book filled with religious sayings.
That is precisely what it is.
Then you never read it.
Originally posted by Devil King
II didn't wake up one day and suddenly decide that my roman catholic upbringing was a farce. It took me a while to drill out the shit that was drilled in; which was done over the course of a 12 year catholic school education.
I knew there was some youth trauma involved.
And I can discuss it with you, you just never respond to any of my posts. I too, know quite a lot about the matter. For over seven years I did a lot of research in this field, and talked to many esteemed archaeologists and historians from all over the world (from Manfred Bietak to Geoffrey Martin (egyptologists), from Aren Maeir to Othmar Keel, and many in between). I made several documentaries on the matter and even though I do not believe we should hold on to a children's book view of the Bible (as often taught in some schools!) it's complete nonsense to dismiss everything written in there as BS.
Originally posted by queeqno its not. it is easy to dismss the bible. very easy, and i assure you, no one loses anything. he said that he learned other than his upbringing through experiences in the real world, not the catholic one.
Then you never read it.I knew there was some youth trauma involved.
And I can discuss it with you, you just never respond to any of my posts. I too, know quite a lot about the matter. For over seven years I did a lot of research in this field, and talked to many esteemed archaeologists and historians from all over the world (from Manfred Bietak to Geoffrey Martin (egyptologists), from Aren Maeir to Othmar Keel, and many in between). I made several documentaries on the matter and even though I do not believe we should hold on to a children's book view of the Bible (as often taught in some schools!) it's complete nonsense to dismiss everything written in there as BS.
Originally posted by queeq
Then you never read it.I knew there was some youth trauma involved.
And I can discuss it with you, you just never respond to any of my posts. I too, know quite a lot about the matter. For over seven years I did a lot of research in this field, and talked to many esteemed archaeologists and historians from all over the world (from Manfred Bietak to Geoffrey Martin (egyptologists), from Aren Maeir to Othmar Keel, and many in between). I made several documentaries on the matter and even though I do not believe we should hold on to a children's book view of the Bible (as often taught in some schools!) it's complete nonsense to dismiss everything written in there as BS.
If you're so esteemed, then why are you so scared? You're the coward here, not me. I will discuss this subject with you until you're blue in the face. And while we're at it, I don't have to pretend my aim buddy list is teeming with bankable personalities.
As I have said before, KMC is dripping with assumed experts taking on the lowly mantle of annonymous intellects, but they never seem to validate their claims with anything substantial. If you want to test me, then toss out the challenge. I don't rely on wikipedia, but I do have a lot of years of study and a library's worth of books behind me.
Oh, and by the way, I just read an email from god; he says he wants his false ego back.
Originally posted by queeq
Then you never read it.I knew there was some youth trauma involved.
And I can discuss it with you, you just never respond to any of my posts. I too, know quite a lot about the matter. For over seven years I did a lot of research in this field, and talked to many esteemed archaeologists and historians from all over the world (from Manfred Bietak to Geoffrey Martin (egyptologists), from Aren Maeir to Othmar Keel, and many in between). I made several documentaries on the matter and even though I do not believe we should hold on to a children's book view of the Bible (as often taught in some schools!) it's complete nonsense to dismiss everything written in there as BS.
Which documentaries?
Originally posted by Devil King
If you're so esteemed, then why are you so scared? You're the coward here, not me. I will discuss this subject with you until you're blue in the face. And while we're at it, I don't have to pretend my aim buddy list is teeming with bankable personalities.
So far all you have contributed to the debate is: The Bible is fiction, because people made it up. And I know so, because I had a traumatic childhood at Catholic school... I dunno... doesn't sound much like a debate.
And I never said I was esteemed. Thank you for misquoting me again.
Originally posted by queeq
So far all you have contributed to the debate is: The Bible is fiction, because people made it up. And I know so, because I had a traumatic childhood at Catholic school... I dunno... doesn't sound much like a debate.And I never said I was esteemed. Thank you for misquoting me again.
Yeah, I had a really traumatic childhood. I was addressing the religion, not the education.
I've asked you no less than three times what aspects of the bible you want to talk about, and you've dodged it every time.
I'm also not the one lying about my credentials and name dropping some people you looked up on the net. No, you didn't say you were esteemed, you just lied about personal correspondance with scientists and being a documentary film maker....sorry for misunderstanding your boasting.
So, do you plan on answering Robtard's question, or will you just go on pretending no one else in this thread is holding you to your bullshit lies, other than me?
I've raised many points for debate by now. You either have trouble reading or you enjoy your anti-religious rants too much.
Originally posted by Robtard
Which documentaries?
One: Footsteps of Goliath (aired among others by the European broadcaster ARTE)
Adaptation of Pharaohs and Kings (5 50 minute documentaries)
Unlocking the Secrets of the Shroud