World breaker runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by iceman24567
So Hulk doing nothing strength wise to Juggernaut means what? He is more than a challenge and Hulk had to bfr him because he wasn't strong enough to beat him in a fight. If Hulk is this uber sky-father for that stepping feat i say you guys are crazy it takes more than that to be sky-father since he has no other feats on that level because he got koed by a bloody satellite....anyways Juggs takes him out of this fight.

I don't think anyone is saying he is a "SkyFather" level being, but that his strength is well up there, thus making him like SkyFathers in that dimension.

That's not too controversial, given that beings far and away above SkyFathers have recognised and commented upon Hulk's potentially infinite power source. The Beyonder being the most impressive character to do so.

Moreover, Hulk went toe-to-toe with Onslaught who pawned and humiliated Juggernaut, is that not a demonstration of his "SkyFather" like strength?

you seem not to know of the number of times, prior to the Planet Hulk arc that he has busted up "Celestial" level machines and weapons. it's just what he can do 😐.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Juggs pushing the Hulk back says you're wrong. 🙄

Juggs got pushed back by War Hulk. Fact.
War Hulk showed a green aura. Fact. Green aura extended 2-3 inches from skin.
WWH post Miek statement had the same glow, except that it extended taller than the skyscrapers of Manhattan. Do the math. That's billions of times more power than it took to push back Juggernaut. Post Miek statement Hulk had the strength and endurance levels of a skyfather+ level being. It's on-panel and backed by the writers themselves.

I don't care if you like the Hulk or not, but if a character gets a powerup from a company, then that's their new level of strength - whether you like it or not. I could care less that the people on this forum continue to dispute what was shown on-panel and backed up further by writers statements themselves. WWH post Miek fight was far stronger physically than any herald level character. A single step shook the entire eastern seaboard. The writers couldn't show much more power beyond that as there was nobody left for him to fight. He gave himself in to Tony's satellites willingly.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So Hulk doing nothing strength wise to Juggernaut means what? He is more than a challenge and Hulk had to bfr him because he wasn't strong enough to beat him in a fight. If Hulk is this uber sky-father for that stepping feat i say you guys are crazy it takes more than that to be sky-father since he has no other feats on that level because he got koed by a bloody satellite....anyways Juggs takes him out of this fight.

His head was about to get lopped off by War... he was clearly on the losing side, and that was pre Miek statement the only time Hulk showed the green glow extend past his skin.

Originally posted by Kutulu
His head was about to get lopped off by War... he was clearly on the losing side,

Originally posted by janus77
an illogical argument because you do not prove why "it takes more than that feat", not by reference to comparable feats nor to anything at all, save your dismissal of said feat.

I don't think anyone is saying he is a "SkyFather" level being, but that his strength is well up there, thus making him like SkyFathers in that dimension.

That's not too controversial, given that beings far and away above SkyFathers have recognised and commented upon Hulk's potentially infinite power source. The Beyonder being the most impressive character to do so.

Moreover, Hulk went toe-to-toe with Onslaught who pawned and humiliated Juggernaut, is that not a demonstration of his "SkyFather" like strength?

you seem not to know of the number of times, prior to the Planet Hulk arc that he has busted up "Celestial" level machines and weapons. it's just what he can do 😐.

Originally posted by LORD B
its only because hulk was enhance by celestial technology
as for hulk being a skyfathernope
you're giving respectable hulk fans a bad name

think you're rating Juggernaut a smidge too highly, buying into the unfounded nonsense of "nothing can stop the Juggernaut!" ('cept everything that can stop him, which is Hulk, War Hulk, a GodBlast and anything on that level... which is a hell of a lot of things, really) ... 😐.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So Hulk beat up Onslaught that makes him greater than the Juggernaut now?

The fact that he went toe-to-toe with a character who pimped Juggernaut without effort, makes him at the least as strong as a pretty damned strong SkyFather. far more than the combined might of Thor et al, in that Onslaught arc.

Originally posted by LORD B
its only because hulk was enhance by celestial technology
as for hulk being a skyfathernope
you're giving respectable hulk fans a bad name

The Celestial technology brought forth latent abilities of the Hulk which were not shown until a later date. Before that Hulk has shown the green glow a few times but only a slight glow from his eyes. Post Miek statement the aura literally was taller than the skyscrapers of Manhattan. Pre-retcon Beyonder himself was surprised at how much power lied within the Hulk, and Apocalypse thought it may have been possible to use Hulk's powers to fight against the Celestials themselves.

WWH post Miek statement was the first time they really showed Hulk pulling deep to those infinite powers which he has the ability to draw upon. Anything sub-Galactus on the physical level would have gotten stomped by him at that point, including Thor (with full Odinforce as the writer mentioned), Juggernaut, or any other mystical entity for that matter. The haters on this board refuse to look at anything that isn't spelled out for them in exact terms, the fact that the writers showed him far far stronger than he was ever shown before means little to the people on this forum since they didn't give an exact calculation of his strength. This was a Hulk stronger than the force it took Sentry to stalemate Galactus. Do the math. He was a cosmic force of nature at that point. Good thing he gave himself up or Marvel Earth and everybody on it would have gotten pounded into dust.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Juggs got pushed back by War Hulk. Fact.
War Hulk showed a green aura. Fact. Green aura extended 2-3 inches from skin.
WWH post Miek statement had the same glow, except that it extended taller than the skyscrapers of Manhattan. Do the math. That's billions of times more power than it took to push back Juggernaut. Post Miek statement Hulk had the strength and endurance levels of a skyfather+ level being. It's on-panel and backed by the writers themselves.

I don't care if you like the Hulk or not, but if a character gets a powerup from a company, then that's their new level of strength - whether you like it or not. I could care less that the people on this forum continue to dispute what was shown on-panel and backed up further by writers statements themselves. WWH post Miek fight was far stronger physically than any herald level character. A single step shook the entire eastern seaboard. The writers couldn't show much more power beyond that as there was nobody left for him to fight. He gave himself in to Tony's satellites willingly.

Originally posted by janus77
and you don't see anything ever-so-slightly off with suggesting Juggernaut could win against a character who can smash a continental shelf with a footstep? or hold together tectonic plates with his bare hands?

think you're rating Juggernaut a smidge too highly, buying into the unfounded nonsense of "nothing can stop the Juggernaut!" ('cept everything that can stop him, which is Hulk, War Hulk, a GodBlast and anything on that level... which is a hell of a lot of things, really) ... 😐.

so hulk is a powerful as the godblast thenjr_erm02and dont gimme that shit what pack said.if a different writer said "a"character would defeat hulk it would be dismissed as not a on panel fact/feat

Originally posted by Kutulu
The Celestial technology brought forth latent abilities of the Hulk which were not shown until a later date. Before that Hulk has shown the green glow a few times but only a slight glow from his eyes. Post Miek statement the aura literally was taller than the skyscrapers of Manhattan. Pre-retcon Beyonder himself was surprised at how much power lied within the Hulk, and Apocalypse thought it may have been possible to use Hulk's powers to fight against the Celestials themselves.

WWH post Miek statement was the first time they really showed Hulk pulling deep to those infinite powers which he has the ability to draw upon. Anything sub-Galactus on the physical level would have gotten stomped by him at that point, including Thor (with full Odinforce as the writer mentioned), Juggernaut, or any other mystical entity for that matter. The haters on this board refuse to look at anything that isn't spelled out for them in exact terms, the fact that the writers showed him far far stronger than he was ever shown before means little to the people on this forum since they didn't give an exact calculation of his strength. This was a Hulk stronger than the force it took Sentry to stalemate Galactus. Do the math. He was a cosmic force of nature at that point. Good thing he gave himself up or Marvel Earth and everybody on it would have gotten pounded into dust.

Originally posted by janus77
no, the Fact that he has a potentially infinite level of strength, makes him far - FAR - greater than Juggernaut.

The fact that he went toe-to-toe with a character who pimped Juggernaut without effort, makes him at the least as strong as a pretty damned strong SkyFather. far more than the combined might of Thor et al, in that Onslaught arc.

Originally posted by LORD B
wwh could not defeat juggs it on panel thats why he had to bfr himsmilefist

so hulk is a powerful as the godblast thenjr_erm02and dont gimme that shit what pack said.if a different writer said "a"character would defeat hulk it would be dismissed as not a on panel fact/feat

WWH didn't kill Thing, nor Warpath nor any of the X-men fodder. he chose to bfr the ones he could and incapacitate the rest. remember the punt?

Juggernaut was just another unimportant distraction, WWH had people to see and arses to kick, couldn't wait around for the slow-poke to dry himself off.

anyway, the writers did say he stopped Juggernaut, and it was patently clear he wasn't very bothered with Juggernaut.

now as to what Pak said, I would have thought that it would be considered the +definitive+ word on the subject, considering he wrote the arc and the nature of the character... but then, I guess I'm falling into the trap of applying common sense 😐.

Originally posted by LORD B
wwh could not defeat juggs it on panel thats why he had to bfr himsmilefist

so hulk is a powerful as the godblast thenjr_erm02and dont gimme that shit what pack said.if a different writer said "a"character would defeat hulk it would be dismissed as not a on panel fact/feat

Originally posted by iceman24567
His potential makes him stronger? That is illogical. Since his potential pretty much got stalemated and then pushed back by Juggs i say his potential isn't enough to make him Far greater than The Juggernaut.

he wasn't "stalemated", he just had an agenda to stick to and no time for distractions. funny how that slap on the back was so powerful that Juggernaut couldn't stop himself at all 😂.

Originally posted by janus77
rofl.

WWH didn't kill Thing, nor Warpath nor any of the X-men fodder. he chose to bfr the ones he could and incapacitate the rest. remember the punt?

Juggernaut was just another unimportant distraction, WWH had people to see and arses to kick, couldn't wait around for the slow-poke to dry himself off.

anyway, the writers did say he stopped Juggernaut, and it was patently clear he wasn't very bothered with Juggernaut.

now as to what Pak said, I would have thought that it would be considered the +definitive+ word on the subject, considering he wrote the arc and the nature of the character... but then, I guess I'm falling into the trap of applying common sense 😐.

Originally posted by LORD B
despite all that power,still stopped by a satellite131

It's called a plot device, and it's something that writers use all the time. Welcome to comics 101. PC Superman fell for plot devices all the time, yet people still consider him plenty powerful. Same thing here.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So since he had no time to fight the Hulk one on one like you said and Juggs had the upper hand meaning more hits and pushing the Hulk back how can you say is far greater? In a bfr fight you would still say the Hulk wins even after reading that issue which is you not using those super senses you claim you have.

Hulk slapped him away like a child because he realized that wasn't his goal to fight Juggernaut, he more important stuff to deal with.

If that was Juggernaut instead of Sentry during WWH # 5, Juggernaut would be a dead man right now.

Originally posted by janus77
the limitless nature of the energies he can unleash means that he can overcome Juggernaut. it isn't an automatic victory as he still has to want to do that (and as he's shown in the past with many characters, he's not always focussed on the fight nor intent on killing the opponent).

he wasn't "stalemated", he just had an agenda to stick to and no time for distractions. funny how that slap on the back was so powerful that Juggernaut couldn't stop himself at all 😂.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So since he had no time to fight the Hulk one on one like you said and Juggs had the upper hand meaning more hits and pushing the Hulk back how can you say is far greater? In a bfr fight you would still say the Hulk wins even after reading that issue which is you not using those super senses you claim you have.

btw, close reading skills and a fairly rigorous application of logic are part of common sense. dunno where you get "super senses" from, you've not been reading Spiderman recently, have you? 😕