Originally posted by darthsith19as I said, if the situation is crazy enough that they are fighting, you have to allow the possibility that the Jedi/Sith have a kryptonite saber, or some other kryptonite based weapon.
Because that's not the type of crystal that a Jedi uses to make a lightsaber. If it were, Superman obviously would stand NO chance.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If the Jedi/Sith fight Superman on Earth, they have access to it, as does Lex Luthor, so on Earth, Jedi/Sith pwn Superman. In the SW galaxy, Superman has no power, because the yellow sun of the Earth is what gives him his power. So Superman gets pwned either way.
If you want to discuss who would win,I have no problem but keep the very unrealistic things out of the duel. To make the duel the way it so it is fair is that it is on a nuetral turf and all their powers work.
Originally posted by Elite Hunternot all battles are held under idealistic conditions. a Jedi/Sith would probably know about kryptonite, Lex Luthor has access to it, so why wouldnt a Sith? This thread is all about different conditions and locales. The two locales that are most likely are Earth and the SW universe. we have already established thet in the SW universe, superman is nothing. and on Earth, even WITHOUT a kryptonite saber, theres no way of knowing how a regular lightsaber would affect Superman. as far as we know, that might be all they need, in addition to their force powers.
This statement has a lot fanboyism in it. The jedi/sith wouldn't have time to look for it. And I highly doubt it will fall out of the sky near the (battle if it was on earth) and they most likely would not be near any. In fact you can't logically assume there would be kryptonite at the battle location. It just seems to me you are trying to give the sw characters an unfair advantage which puts in question the validity of this thread.If you want to discuss who would win,I have no problem but keep the very unrealistic things out of the duel. To make the duel the way it so it is fair is that it is on a nuetral turf and all their powers work.
Just as a Jedi/Sith depends on the force, Superman depends on the sun. Jedi/Sith have access to the force anywhere, because the force revolves around life, and Earth has life, so they have equal powers here, and we all saw what happened when superman lost his powers, Lex's henchmen kicked his superass. a Jedi/Sith are at least trained in hand to hand combat, they can at least fight without the force and kickass, Superman, without his powers, without the light of the sun, fights like a 5 year old retarded girl.
so its safe to say that here on Earth, its likely a Jedi/Sith would win, and that in the SW universe, fighting Superman is no more difficult than fighting an annoying fly.
Theres no fanboyism here, just cold hard facts.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
not all battles are held under idealistic conditions. a Jedi/Sith would probably know about kryptonite, Lex Luthor has access to it, so why wouldnt a Sith?
You have to put a duel between 2 characters of different universes at a setting where both characters are at their peak. Anything else is not an accurate way to determine who is more powerful. Luthor is hios arch enemy so of course he knows about it. How would a jedi/sith know. What they are going to read his mind learn about it and somehow make an escape to find some? Not gonna happen considering sups. is faster. Kryptonite is out of the question and is non factor unless of course you say (since your the thread starter) that they have kryptonite which causes this thread to be a waste of time.
The two locales that are most likely are Earth and the SW universe. we have already established thet in the SW universe, superman is nothing. and on Earth, even WITHOUT a kryptonitesaber, theres no way of knowing how a regular lightsaber would affect Superman. as far as we know, that might be all they need, in addition to their force powers.
Just as a Jedi/Sith depends on the force, Superman depends on the sun. Jedi/Sith have access to the force anywhere, because the force revolves around life, and Earth has life, so they have equal powers here, and we all saw what happened when superman lost his powers, Lex's henchmen kicked his superass. a Jedi/Sith are at least trained in hand to hand combat, they can at least fight without the force and kickass, Superman, without his powers, without the light of the sun, fights like a 5 year old retarded girl.
If you want the sups. to be weak than this thread is pointless because it becomes overkill.
so its safe to say that here on Earth, its likely a Jedi/Sith would win, and that in the SW universe, fighting Superman is no more difficult than fighting an annoying fly.
Theres no fanboyism here, just cold hard facts.
Saying that the jedi/sith would automatically know about kryptonite and where to find or even for them have it on their their personal possession before the battle(whether it is in a saber or not) IS a fanboyish remark there is no getting around the fact that you gave one side the other sides weakness especially when the characters involved are from different universes.
Superman came from an unusually strong galaxy, where everybody was like him but nobody could fly. Who is to say the Star Wars galaxy isn't the same way?
Besides, I think Superman can cream any Jedi in a fair fight, but seeing how vulnerable he is to the lame villians they put him up against in the movies, I think the Jedi Order consists of plenty of geniuses that could dwarf Lex Luther's best IQ score if they were half dead and half drunk.
Just compare SW characters with Superman's villians. Who is smarter...Darth Revan or Lux Luther? Who has better technology...modern internet or the Jedi Archives?
But I must agree with Elite Hunter...the Jedi would be clueless. It isn't as if they caught on instantly with the Vong invaders.
I frankly don't think very highly of the Superman movies. Even if Superman can beat the entire SW universe, that just proves his existence is that much more pointless. The thoughts that go through Mace Windu's mind make Windu ten times better than any looser who is genetically guaranteed to win every fight. Revan's genius is better then superman's regardless of whether Superman has lightning speeds.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
as I said, if the situation is crazy enough that they are fighting, you have to allow the possibility that the Jedi/Sith have a kryptonite saber, or some other kryptonite based weapon.
Kryptonite isn't very effective against Superman these days.
He's built up an immunity to in fact.
It can still weaken him but really it's just annoyance rather than an actual danger to his health.
In fact, Superman regularly faces a foe completely comprised of Kryptonite (and can transform his arms into bladed weapons) but really Superman only feels a little sick during his battles with him.
He doesn't automatically lose his powers and fraught with paralzing agony like the old days.
Originally posted by Quark_666
Superman came from an unusually strong galaxy, where everybody was like him but nobody could fly. Who is to say the Star Wars galaxy isn't the same way?Besides, I think Superman can cream any Jedi in a fair fight, but seeing how vulnerable he is to the lame villians they put him up against in the movies, I think the Jedi Order consists of plenty of geniuses that could dwarf Lex Luther's best IQ score if they were half dead and half drunk.
Just compare SW characters with Superman's villians. Who is smarter...Darth Revan or Lux Luther? Who has better technology...modern internet or the Jedi Archives?
But I must agree with Elite Hunter...the Jedi would be clueless. It isn't as if they caught on instantly with the Vong invaders.
I frankly don't think very highly of the Superman movies. Even if Superman can beat the entire SW universe, that just proves his existence is that much more pointless. The thoughts that go through Mace Windu's mind make Windu ten times better than any looser who is genetically guaranteed to win every fight. Revan's genius is better then superman's regardless of whether Superman has lightning speeds.
You're basing your assumptions on the movie.
Which doesn't fly.
It's like basing your assumptions about the X-Men on the movie when they're two very different universe.
Originally posted by 0°Mandalore°0
This thread has lasted a surprising amount of time without being closed...
Considering Rex closed the batman thread i agree with you.
I honestly don't know much about Superman but I do see him winning most if not all the 1v1 vs the jedi or sith but their best chance would have to be at the start of the battle and using the force.
Originally posted by Draco69
You're basing your assumptions on the movie.Which doesn't fly.
It's like basing your assumptions about the X-Men on the movie when they're two very different universe.
Lets settle a few things.
1) Kryptonite argument
If superman is fighting a jedi then, that means the superman universe is combined with the sw universe so jedi have access to it to, but it wont matter, ill explain later why.
2) NjO luke moves so fast as to be a blurr, i think with that he can keep up with superman, pluz the whole precognition. which makes him that much faster to battle, rots yoda, bane,kun,sunrider and windu can do similar damage.
3) Jedi have optimal weaponry
Jedi have the force which has an unlimited amount of possibilities
eg. mace windu could use force crush to stop his heart. Obi wan's jedi mind trick to get him to swallow cryptonite. Revan's death field to demoralize and weaken him. or the handy lightsaber which could decapitate superman with no problem een without cryptonite in the hilt and for a djem so user like rots anakin, would be perfer for reflecting his laser eye beams back at him to either seriously injure him or stun him long enough to go in for the kiss.
sobasically jedi take this 9/10
superman is strong but he doesnt have enough intuition or intelegence to keep up with a jedi
A jedi would get curbstomped by superman in a second. some of the stuff said in this thread is laughable at best and is probaly the inner fanboy talking. A suggest u watch smallville to get a idea of supermans speed he ran from kansas to south america in like 5 seconds. compare this to TPM were Kenobi and Jinn sprint to a hallway and can still be seen. The Jedi got crushed by Clone Troopers in ROTS and were scared of a damn cyborg (Greivous) that Supes would crush in one blow. Were was the great precognation then? Superman is not weak-minded and does not need to breath so your force choke theory goes right out the window. Listen i love Star Wars but putting Jedi against The Powerhouses of Marvel and DC is nothing but the inner fanboy talking. A jedi would have a hard time beating Spider-man let alone Superman.
well if the battle was on corusant then superman would have to fly through space, Luke could move a black hole in his way sucking in superman, and if you try and say the whole he is faster than light, according to Einstien and his theory of relativity even light gets sucked into a black hole and can't escape.
And I do know that superman is not bound by all physics but he can't escape from a black whole.
and Super man, as far as I know, can't go faster than light.